These are F-16 reads. Ffery agrees with most of them except the read strength is different. AngryPidgeon is a major point of disagreement among a few other minor ones. I'll post on Cephrir in a separate post.
TOWN (Strongest -> Weakest)
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1) FourTrouble
- Strongest townread for me and it is partly meta-based as I think he's playing beyond the level he's capable of as scum. The points against him I've read so far (one-liners, questions going nowhere) are all stuff that's either the core of his towngame or being misinterpreted.
2) Imperium
- Would be surprised if they are scum here. Mostly based on Tammy's scumhunting early game matching her towngame. No one seems to disagree so I'm not going to elaborate much on this.
3) Ooba
- His Xombie read in
Post 122 resonated as did his readslist in
Post 417. I really, really like the sequence of
Post 555 and
Post 556 where he expresses townreads on TD for his entrance; and Imperium for Tammy's suspicion of us. This might seem counter-intuitive but what I've noticed about Ooba is that he tends to strongly townread players that defy the status quo. In FF10, he immediately townread me, in part due to our suspicion of Dainn who was a near universal townread at the time. He also had suspicions of universal townread Seelie Seraph later on in the game. All this points to a player that is incredibly paranoid. His mindset feels like he instinctually gets paranoid and is critical of universal townreads. It then flows from there that he has strong townreads on people who doubt these universal townreads and challenge the status quo and legitimize his paranoia. Not having seen Ooba as scum, I don't know to what extent he can fake it, but the TD/Imperium townreads felt incredibly natural and I would expect town-Ooba to react pretty much EXACTLY the way he reacted.
4) RachMarie
- Rach's initial aggression against the hydras felt genuine. Also thought the paranoia of Bitmap in
Post 547 felt town especially given her earlier stance that Bitmap is good as scum. Her asking whether people think it is multiball in
Post 636 felt less likely to come from scum as is the callout to Mastin to vote her despite us and Imperium townreading her which almost felt like a dare. Her overall generally demeanor feels overwhelmingly town and she drives the game forward at several points probing into people's reasoning for their reads and shepherding the non-voters into consolidating a wagon to avoid a deadline lynch. I have no idea why it matters that she confused Mastin with Bitmap. It doesn't take away from my townread in the slightest.
5) Ankamius
- While I hate his entrance and lazy posts of nothing, the way he dropped the Nacho-tell in
Post 480 after his initial scumread on Imperium felt incredibly understated and genuine and I loved the follow-up in
Post 486. His list of reads in
Post 847 feel pretty damn town and his reads on us, Imperium, Rach, and Mastin show a lot of scumhunting depth and I absolutely loved the effort he put into refining his reads in
Post 1542 by ISOing his unsorted list and I think it way less likely for scum to be as pro-active since he wasn't under any pressure to do it at all.
6) Skybird
- Although I disliked Brantz's
Post 153 as most of his reads are incredibly wishy-washy, I could chalk it down to it being early game and his "
My brain wants to scum read everyone who said they aren't going to read any of the discussion from the confirmation stage, but there are a lot of them so I don't think its actually a tell.
resonated as it matched my thoughts exactly. I can easily follow his thoughts on TiphaineDeath picking the most townread people in the room and scumreading them and his vote on Vezok in
Post 500 makes sense given his previous stances. The rest of his posts up until his replace out felt like he was genuinely trying to keep up and follow leads and actually replacing out shows that it wasn't scum lurking it out. Skybird's entrance was tonally aggressive and felt town and the way she's looking at interactions between Metal Sonic, Beast, and TheAceOfSpades and her probing them further felt genuine. Overall, fairly certain this slot is town.
7) Bitmap
- His early townread on us was well thought out and I liked the explanations he gave in the neighborhood. I felt the softclaiming about being a possible vig in
Post 812 was more likely to come from town than scum. And his choice of taking Metal Sonic out of the game made sense considering he had focused most of the day on trying to sort Metal. I'm ambivalent on whether it is optimal town strategy but it feels genuine enough. Ffery has a much stronger meta-informed townread here.
8) Vezokpiraka
- Not sure where the universal townreads on Vezok are coming from but I do have a moderately strong townread here primarily based on his tone in
Post 472,
Post 511, and
Post 582 and the scumhunting off his wagon felt genuine, as well as his "
I've read the thread, I saw nothing worthwhile.
" While I disagree with his reasons for townreading Rach in
Post 584, I feel that scum would be less likely to stretch for townreads on lynchbait and his conviction felt genuine, as well as his subsequent attempts to show Mastin that Rach is town. His case on Brantz in
Post 584 was actually very well thought out. I didn't like that he was a bit too sure about Rach though and it felt like he would already townread her regardless of how she responded to him.
9) iHouse
- iHouse's ISO is a huge mess and in general I find it pretty hard to follow a logical train of thought but House's fluid, impressionable nature does make sense with my limited experience of his towngame. A few key towntells are his immediate vengeful claim in
Post 124 as I can't see scum-him claiming a role that is optimal for town to lynch at some point. His indignance with TSO scumreading him and his Mastin push also feels natural despite it not being very accurate. His FT push in
Post 1238 comes across as very, very town as well and it feels like he genuinely thought he caught scum.
10) TiphaineDeath
- While his early posts felt ridiculously fake and even his later posts feel somewhat over the top, the way he pursues scumreads with confidence that he's right feels town such as in
Post 614. I also liked how he used the neighborhood to develop his reads further on us and Imperium. His initial push on my Ank read is something I can plausibly see coming from town. His overall ISO comes across as incredibly jumpy and all over the place which actually explains FT's case on him quite well. His flip-flop on us, Imperium, Ceph, and FT are all whimsical and his memory in general seems to be short term. For instance, calling Ceph town in
Post 1421 to voting him in
Post 1601, and abandoning his FT scumread for seemingly no reason. So, I disagree with FT on his Ace vote being scummy after he chained Mantis and AP together as it feels like impulsive jumping around.
11) Metal Sonic
- Both gambits (the clear on us as well as the guilty on Xombie) felt pro-active and there's been a lot of genuine scumhunting right out the gate. Metal Sonic's confidence in sorting players also felt far more aggressive than the latest scumgame I've played with him in. There were some logical gaps such as the quick Imperium townread after expressing paranoia but it doesn't feel fake. Not a huge fan of his scattershot voting on Vezok, TSO, and suspicion of Bitmap but the overall sorting and questioning is a far cry from his scumgame.
12) Xombie
- Looking back, Xombie's reaction to the daycop does feel genuine and I can reasonably see town feeling threatened by a guilty on them and staying on guard, and I doubt his theory that Imperium were helping MS comes from scum. While I initially disliked his entrance, I don't find it as scummy on a re-read and I like most of his later posts where he develops and refines his townreads such as in
Post 869,
Post 1093, and
Post 1138.
13) Farside22
- Her early posts were pro-active and drove the game forward and her scumreads feel farily organic. Examples include the read on Xombie in
Post 601, and the way she pushed TheAceOfSpades. I also liked her entrance into the game and I agreed with Ffery that she was picking up on Nacho's early trolling mood. As for AP's case, I can't see why not having townreads is scummy at all. Scum know who the universal townreads are, who they can't lynch, and who they would normally read as town and it is not hard to pretend to nail down some townreads so they whole line of reasoning feels like a stretch. I'm conflicted on Farside's paranoia of Imperium as it came right after Imperium accused us but I also thought the later wariness in post
Post 1069 felt genuine. While I'm not a huge fan of her case on Ace in
Post 1613, the way she's pushing it felt reasonably town. Overall, less sure than I should be based on the content but I decently strong townread.
14) Aeronaut
- Blonde's posting leaves a lot to be desired but didn't feel scum motivated overall. His "
Oh and if it becomes necessary, I can prove I'm town
in
Post 766 is an assertion overwhelmingly more likely to come from town. His convoluted method for suspecting Mastin and soft claiming felt very genuine in light of this. Not a fan of Aeronaut's entrance and his insisting that Metal Sonic was lying scum which felt over-the-top but subsequent explanations feel like he actually believes it.
15) TheAceOfSpades
- While he has a low content ISO, I can follow his reads fairly well. I think the suspicion of AP for not wanting to get mislynched among other stuff makes sense from someone unfamiliar with his play. I understand all the rest of his townreads besides Vezok who he seems to have additional information on. Perhaps he and others have caught a crumb which makes them read Vezok as strongly town. I liked his response to TD in
Post 1280. My only concern seems to be that he's a bit too enthusiastic about townreading players whose reads he agrees with and scumreading those he disagrees with. I'll have to check if this is a meta trend for him. But I overall felt that his posts were genuine and didn't feel manipulative or fake.
16) ZZZX
- While the vast majority of his posts are filler and promises to catch up, I don't think that's alignment indicative for him. I do think the tone of his wanting to get current felt genuine and carefree. The observations he made such as the one on Metal Sonic's gambit in
Post 423 and the Ceph vs Solar is TvT in
Post 1443 make more sense as town than scum. And while I think scum may call TvT, it would serve as an easy avenue to push rather than just dismissing it as TvT and moving on especially when ZZZX seems to be struggling to deliver content. His interaction with FT in post
Post 1444 also felt similarly understated like he was actually trying to understand where FT was coming from.
17) PeregrineV
- PV's typically easy for me to get a townread on so I'm surprised I don't have as strong a townread as usual. A few posts that made me lean town are his probing Brantz to highlight the content in the first few pages in
Post 828 as well as his train of thought on Vezok pushing for discussion in the neighborhood not being scummy starting around
Post 829. His vote on Brantz does make sense based on his previous suspicion of Brantz but I hoped for more of a logical flow than isolated connections. I also haven't seen the level of in-depth scumhunting that would make me certain that he is town but I have a slight town read overall that I could easily be wrong on.
18) BeastCharizard
- Beast feels like he genuinely believes in his TSO townread. From experience, I find that people who are this sure are either town thinking they have found a killer tell or town who know that the target is town and I don't find it very likely Beast just decided to blatantly defend TSO (regardless of TSO's alignment) for no reason. I'm willing to wait but I'll eventually want an explanation for this read. While I wasn't a huge fan of his discrediting Metal Sonic in
Post 916, his annoyance at iHouse for voting TSO rang genuine and the later vote on iHouse flows from there.
19) The Mask
- Not impressed with the abrasiveness and the generally volatile posting. I can't see where his FT scumread is coming from either. The way he was forming reads felt very mildly town like his calling House and TSO town in
Post 1546 after they had an argument involving personal attacks. His reads on
Post 843 don't feel like reads that scum would have and the sudden and drastic nature of his read change on AP, turning on us, and continuing to call FT scum for "prim and proper" posting all felt vaguely town but is super weak and probably one of my weakest townreads.
20) TSO
- My biggest concern with TSO is the almost complete lack of scumhunting in his ISO and his reaction to AP in
Post 533 is scummy, hard to follow, and feels like buddying. There are a couple of posts in his later ISO that I liked though where he engaged Ffery about her FT read in
Post 1528 and his explanation for voting Imperium to get himself into the game in
Post 1524. His back-and-forth with iHouse is cringeworthy and I don't really understand his Ceph townread. Overall null.
SCUM (Strongest -> Weakest)
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21)
Cephrir
- Easily my strongest scumread. I can sort of see why people are townreading him but because of the walls and analysis but nothing he has done this game is town-motivated and I'll outline my case on him in a separate post.
22)
Mastin2
- Mastin is one of the players I find incredibly hard to read due to the tendency of being manipulative as town. But I haven't found the town markers from Tales/Quickness/Serum and Steel here. His read on AP in
Post 687 felt hesitant, weak, and ambiguous. The reads in
Post 736 don't resonate as much as I've come to expect Mastin-reads to resonate. Mastin's Rach-read quite frankly sucks. Rach has been incredibly town and it feels more like she's setting up Rach to be lynched down the road when Rach's defended have been nightkilled. The AP townread in
Post 1167 is weak as well and doesn't have the passion that town-Mastin tends to have when sorting AP. Saying the AceOfSpades wagon had a steady build feels like we're not reading the same game. TheAceOfSpades wagon was a series of votes with little explanation on an easy target and seems like a designated D1 mislynch. Mastin's overall choices of targets and how she went about developing them don't feel natural at all.
23)
AngryPidgeon
- Main issue is that his posts feel geared toward manipulation and the phrasing and direction of a lot of his sentences feel like he's either trying to gain allies among the town, or cause noise by arguing with people. Examples include the way he addressed Imperium in
Post 391 and his encouragement of Xombie in
Post 1033. AP's trajectory on Xombie also feels unnatural. Consider his early push in
Post 295 when Xombie was receiving early pressure and confidence that Xombie is scum to encouraging Xombie and expressing concern about us in
Post 1033 which feels like he is egging on the Solar/Xombie fight. His read on House is weak as well nitpicking on minor stuff like House grilling Ooba on his Rach-read and commenting on TD's inability to read him while missing the very, very town way in which House claimed his role. His read on Farside in
Post 1037 partly for "filler comments" is super weak since Farside had provided an abundance of content despite a few filler posts and his other points on Farside are huge, huge stretches like where he insists that Farside having no townreads is scummy of her. The hydra-signing point is horrendous. Not to mention AP throws in his own filler posts at Imperium and bends over backwards to make it seem like he's on the same page. Hated the townread on TSO on
Post 1053 for insulting Metal Sonic which feels like he's fanning the flames. The appeal to Mastin over not getting mislynched seems premature considering the suspicion of him wasn't strong at all although it could just be because it is me that's scumreading him. The scumreads on Metal Sonic and Farside is
Post 1060 are lame as fuck. He's describing how MS-town should act and boxing him in to specific behaviors when there was nothing unnatural about MS assuming that TSO and Beast were Masons. His Farside read is based on null/playstyle tells and is manipulative as well considering he just sheeped Imperium's reasoning of "
Farside's taking shots from the sidelines.
" His AceOfSpades vote in
Post 1083 is an opportunistic OMGUS. He also pre-emptively dismisses scumreads on Cephrir
Post 1198 and
Post 1437. The pushes on AceOfSpades and PV feel scum-motivated as AP knows Ace is probably an easy mislynch target and PV if not mislynched early will be a strong player late game. Overall, re-reading his ISO left me thinking he's likely scum although some of his interactions with me being vastly different from his previous scumgame makes me second guess this read a bit.
24) VysePresident
- A lot of his posts lack a real scumhunting drive to them. He starts off with asking us and Imperium to describe the others's play. I hate that he specifically mentions that he wants opinions on both heads. Considering how toxic the interactions between two of the heads were, after figuring out that Imperium were town, I am wary of this. If he read through our posts, it should be clear that we were townreading each other. There is also zero followup between
Post 1087 and
Post 1327 and he doesn't make anything out of his initial question beyond claiming that it is distancing which was also reasoning he sheeped off of iHouse's post.
Summary:
Town (S -> W): FourTrouble, Imperium, Ooba, Rach, Ankamius, Skybird, Bitmap, Vezokpiraka, iHouse, TiphaineDeath, Metal Sonic, Xombie, Farside<gap> Aeronaut, TheAceOfSpades, ZZZX, PeregrineV, Beastcharizard, TheMask, TSO
Scum (S -> W): Cephrir, Mastin2, AngryPidgeon, VysePresident
