Micro 441: Less Pressure

[xRECKONERx]

You're probably town actually.

[TellTaleHeart]

How so?

Because I operate selfishly when I play mafia and it's much easier for me to glean reads off of people attacking me than off of people attacking other people, and nobody's going to attack me if I'm IC.

A likely story... I bet you just don't want scum to kill you with their vengekill.
Why do you throw me under the bus like this, Reck?

[xRECKONERx]

Dear mafia please kill me love reck ps im not lying

[TellTaleHeart]

[Jingle]

Her entire ISO is various shades of questionable to me. I'll explain why when I'm not trying to get a migraine. Probably tomorrow afternoon at this point.

Here, hon, I'll do the busy work for you.

No wagon yet?

Vote: Pine

I'm going to be following the wishes of the innocent children this game, and everyone else should do the same.

Why? They actually know slightly less than we do.

Yeah no

This is the scum, here. Disavowing responsibility and hedging his bets

We've all had a fun RVS, but it's time to play for reals now

But no vote?

I was thinking of switching to Dry-fit after 16, but now I'm happy with where my vote is.

Vote: Dry-fit

11 has a surface appearance of trying to generate discussion and reads, but there's no real follow through.

19 begins by marginalizing the ICs' reads, which I find suspect. Then she pushes Pine for what appears to be no reason. The idea that scum Pine is in any way more reluctant to vote when he pushes people than town pine is is alien to me.

40 is a switch off of Pine when the momentum there seems to be stalling and TTH started pushing at Xay. There's no reasoning or content, and I don't see anything from Pine that I think would have changed her mind if her original read was genuine.

Further, she'd been inactive for almost two days when I posted, which itself was cause for concern when the big problem with the thread is lack of activity.

How so?

Because I operate selfishly when I play mafia and it's much easier for me to glean reads off of people attacking me than off of people attacking other people, and nobody's going to attack me if I'm IC.

A likely story... I bet you just don't want scum to kill you with their vengekill.
Why do you throw me under the bus like this, Reck?

If it helps, TTH is terrible at this game and her reads are worthless.

If I'd wanted an easy wagon I could have stayed on Dry-fit, or moved to Xayzeck following the IC's, rather than opening myself to criticism by following the most recent votes. But I think Xayzeck may be town and I was split between Dry and Pine, so I moved to a stronger scum read.

And my suspicion of your Dry-Fit vote and the fact that the Xay push had come before my discussion with him means nothing? As of post 40, why was Dry-fit a better vote than Pine?

[TellTaleHeart]

Jingley, are you scum?

[Jingle]

Always, tth.

[Malakittens]

Official Vote Count

++--

(3): Jingle, Xayzeck, Huntress

Xayzeck

(2): TellTaleHeart, xRECKONERx

Huntress

(1): ++--

Pine

(1): Dry-fit

Dry-fit

(1): Pine

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-02-07 13:00:00)

[Jingle]

Huntress, if you'd be so kind as to respond to 103 I'd love to read it.

[Jingle]

104, sorry.

[TellTaleHeart]

Always, tth.

Spoiler:

[Dry-fit]

Here we have the perfect "let's jump on an easy wagon" post.VOTE: Huntress

Oh, so ++-- is scum, isn't he?

[Dry-fit]

but abdicating responsibility for your vote while slipping quietly onto a flash wagon is just not Town-intentioned

What would you expect me to do as town in that situation if you are my top suspect?

[Jingle]

Always, tth.

Spoiler:

I'm not sure what that means, but seriously, you should know better than to ask me that question. Have you read my signature?

[TellTaleHeart]

It's less of a question and more of a lamentation that I think your win condition involves killing me.

I think you might be scum. And there's a body. Under your floorboards. Do you hear the heart beating yet?

[Pine]

but abdicating responsibility for your vote while slipping quietly onto a flash wagon is just not Town-intentioned

What would you expect me to do as town in that situation if you are my top suspect?

"Top suspect?" How can you even have a "top suspect" in post 16? No one had made any posts of substance. All I'd posted was two jokes. On page one.

No, you were making an easy, scummy vote, while at the same time setting up an "I'm not responsible" excuse for when I flip Town. Now you're blustering and making excuses for past actions

That's a scum tactic. Page 43 of the handbook, I think

[++--]

but abdicating responsibility for your vote while slipping quietly onto a flash wagon is just not Town-intentioned

What would you expect me to do as town in that situation if you are my top suspect?

"Top suspect?" How can you even have a "top suspect" in post 16? No one had made any posts of substance. All I'd posted was two jokes. On page one.

No, you were making an easy, scummy vote, while at the same time setting up an "I'm not responsible" excuse for when I flip Town. Now you're blustering and making excuses for past actions

That's a scum tactic. Page 43 of the handbook, I think

While you are right about that those posts are scummy, your reasoning is entirely wrong. The "I'm not responsible" thing doesn't mean anything at all, and could be a totally townie reaction, the bigger problem is the "let's follow the ICs... on page 1" thing. To me, it seems like that there is quite a high possibility that that post was a poorly constructed LAMIST post. However, the fact that he voted only in #41, AFTER the ICs went somewhere else, along with the #22 'keeping pressure' thing might as well give some townpoints to Dry-fit, but, as it also fits perfectly well into a possible townie-ish disguise, I'd still say that he might be slightly scummier than the average, but nowhere nearly as scummy as you're trying to make it appear.

[Huntress]

About Jingle, I could surely see his play coming from scum motivation. I'd say that he is leaning towards scum. I'm not really sure what to think about Xay. His page one L-2 would be a bold move from scum, but at the same time, it would also be a strange move from town, and that was by far his most remarkable move in this game so far, so let's say that I don't really have a read on him.

Why would it be a strange move from town? Page one wagons aren't that unusual.

[Huntress]

11 has a surface appearance of trying to generate discussion and reads, but there's no real follow through.

Are you kidding me? If not please explain what you're getting at here in the view of the context of this particular post.

19 begins by marginalizing the ICs' reads, which I find suspect. Then she pushes Pine for what appears to be no reason. The idea that scum Pine is in any way more reluctant to vote when he pushes people than town pine is is alien to me.

You find questioning and probing to get reads "suspect" and "for no reason"?

40 is a switch off of Pine when the momentum there seems to be stalling and TTH started pushing at Xay. There's no reasoning or content, and I don't see anything from Pine that I think would have changed her mind if her original read was genuine.

The wagon had served it's purpose in starting things moving. Pine responded without fuss to my 19 so I moved on to Dry-fit as I had said I was thinking of doing earlier. As you can see from my 82, the read on Pine is still there but it's not strong enough to lock on to.

Further, she'd been inactive for almost two days when I posted, which itself was cause for concern when the big problem with the thread is lack of activity.

Life happens. It is

not

an alignment tell.

Huntress, if you'd be so kind as to respond to 103 I'd love to read it.

Attempting to make it look like I'm ignoring your post, are you?


I'm guessing it's ++--, Jingle and Pine in the library with the candlestick. Pine is the least certain of those.

[Dry-fit]

"Top suspect?" How can you even have a "top suspect" in post 16? No one had made any posts of substance. All I'd posted was two jokes. On page one.

I can have reads on page 1. Sometimes even pretty solid ones. It's nothing unusual. I tend to base reads on one or two posts more than other players, rather than on overall play.[/quote]

[quote"Pine"]No, you were making an easy, scummy vote, while at the same time setting up an "I'm not responsible" excuse for when I flip Town. Now you're blustering and making excuses for past actions[/quote]
I don't feel its setting up an excuse. By all means I should be held responsible for the quality of my reads. I just think the ICs should make the ultimate decision about the lynch. It's not like I can make them the fall guys and get them lynched if a townie is lynched.

I would vote ++-- right now but that would be L-1 and I don't know if scum would be willing to go for quickhammer shenanigans in this setup.

[Jingle]

11 has a surface appearance of trying to generate discussion and reads, but there's no real follow through.

Are you kidding me? If not please explain what you're getting at here in the view of the context of this particular post.

No kidding here. At least right now. Wagoning for the sake of wagoning has never led me to accurate reads, but it has proven quite useful in looking like it. Combine that with a lack of follow through on questioning Pine, and the picture she paints is not pretty.

19 begins by marginalizing the ICs' reads, which I find suspect. Then she pushes Pine for what appears to be no reason. The idea that scum Pine is in any way more reluctant to vote when he pushes people than town pine is is alien to me.

You find questioning and probing to get reads "suspect" and "for no reason"?[/quote]

I find accusations with no basis in reality suspect, yes. If you're trying to build a read out of toothpicks, you're not gonna get a real read. You're gonna get a stack of toothpicks. Tell me again who is more concerned with making it look like they're looking for alignments than actually figuring things out. Unless you're Titus. Are you Titus? Or, if there's a logical basis behind the questioning, please share it with me.

40 is a switch off of Pine when the momentum there seems to be stalling and TTH started pushing at Xay. There's no reasoning or content, and I don't see anything from Pine that I think would have changed her mind if her original read was genuine.

The wagon had served it's purpose in starting things moving. Pine responded without fuss to my 19 so I moved on to Dry-fit as I had said I was thinking of doing earlier. As you can see from my 82, the read on Pine is still there but it's not strong enough to lock on to.[/quote]

And as you can see from my post 104, I'd like to know why. What did Pine do that made him less wagon-worthy? What did Dry-Fit do that made him more wagon-worthy? What about Pine's response to 19 was so compelling? They why is very important Huntress. In fact, it's more important than the what.

Further, she'd been inactive for almost two days when I posted, which itself was cause for concern when the big problem with the thread is lack of activity.

Life happens. It is

not

an alignment tell.[/quote]

Cause for concern =/= alignment tell. Cause for concern = worth mentioning. Thank you.

Huntress, if you'd be so kind as to respond to 103 I'd love to read it.

Attempting to make it look like I'm ignoring your post, are you?


I'm guessing it's ++--, Jingle and Pine in the library with the candlestick. Pine is the least certain of those.

Thank you, Huntress. And no, I was trying to make it look like I was waiting for a response before continuing. Possibly because I was waiting for a response before continuing.

[Jingle]

"Top suspect?" How can you even have a "top suspect" in post 16? No one had made any posts of substance. All I'd posted was two jokes. On page one.

I can have reads on page 1. Sometimes even pretty solid ones. It's nothing unusual. I tend to base reads on one or two posts more than other players, rather than on overall play.

[quote"Pine"]No, you were making an easy, scummy vote, while at the same time setting up an "I'm not responsible" excuse for when I flip Town. Now you're blustering and making excuses for past actions[/quote]
I don't feel its setting up an excuse. By all means I should be held responsible for the quality of my reads. I just think the ICs should make the ultimate decision about the lynch. It's not like I can make them the fall guys and get them lynched if a townie is lynched.

I would vote ++-- right now but that would be L-1 and I don't know if scum would be willing to go for quickhammer shenanigans in this setup.[/quote]

*Checks player list.

Nope, no Guyett or ika. You don't gotta worry about quickhammers.

But seriously, why are you so interested in putting him at L-1 if you're afraid of scum quickhammering. Do you think scum is gonna quickhammer other scum? Do you think it's against our interests to trade 1 for 1 with scum?

Hell, I'd be rather excited if scum quickhammered.

[++--]

About Jingle, I could surely see his play coming from scum motivation. I'd say that he is leaning towards scum. I'm not really sure what to think about Xay. His page one L-2 would be a bold move from scum, but at the same time, it would also be a strange move from town, and that was by far his most remarkable move in this game so far, so let's say that I don't really have a read on him.

Why would it be a strange move from town? Page one wagons aren't that unusual.

I don't know how unusual they are, I don't have too much experience with this site's meta, it seems strange to me though.

[quote="In post 118, Huntress"

19 begins by marginalizing the ICs' reads, which I find suspect. Then she pushes Pine for what appears to be no reason. The idea that scum Pine is in any way more reluctant to vote when he pushes people than town pine is is alien to me.

You find questioning and probing to get reads "suspect" and "for no reason"?

I find accusations with no basis in reality suspect, yes. If you're trying to build a read out of toothpicks, you're not gonna get a real read. You're gonna get a stack of toothpicks. Tell me again who is more concerned with making it look like they're looking for alignments than actually figuring things out.
[/quote]

Accusations with no basis can, in fact, be pretty protown if used properly, if analysing the reacions to the accusations, etc. Also, without further reasoning, "more concerned with making it look like they're looking for alignments than actually figuring things out" is one of the most general remarks you could possibly say.

[TellTaleHeart]

I'm guessing it's ++--, Jingle and Pine in the library with the candlestick. Pine is the least certain of those.

My guess is Jingle, Xayzeck, and Dry-Fit in the conservatory with a tuba.

I think I'm closer.

[TellTaleHeart]

What do you think, Reck?