In post 31, TellTaleHeart wrote:Not really, more like random voting stage post position. Xayzeck voted Pine and was the third vote on the wagon in Post 14. What was Xayzeck's purpose here? Was it a pressure vote? If so, it kind of sucks since the wagon's built on pillars on sand and likely to crumble anyway, not giving much pressure. There's a few explanations, but I think one is slightly more likely than the others. The style of Xayzeck's post imitates the style of xRECKONERx's Post 12 and Huntress' Post 11: short vote posts without reason. He made the post to blend in.
From that first wagon I'm more inclined to think it's ++-- for
not
putting the third vote on Pine there. Xayzeck did what I might have done in his position. The rest of ++--'s posts show a continued avoidance of getting involved.
I'm a bit uneasy about Dry-fit - possible buddying there?
I didn't like Pine's 17. The last line felt a bit forced.
That's all I've got really. I was thinking either Dry-fit or Pine plus one of Jingle and Xayzeck but I have town reads on them so far so it could be there's some three-way distancing going on. However, with three out of five being scum I'm not putting too much weight on the town reads yet.
No matter how high the stakes, sooner or later you're just gonna have to go with your gut.
And maybe, just maybe, that'll take you right where you were supposed to be.
The page one wagon thing is laughable. And now he's saying his push on me wasn't weak? lol
Huntress is a solid townread for me and I'll explain why. In 19 she voices suspicion of me but ends of going for pine instead. Then in her next post 40 she goes back to voting me. Seems very genuine to me as if she was scum and wanted her vote on me she could have just put it there in the first place. I could see it if Pine and Huntress are buddies but not seeing it right now.
++-- wrote:Because there is nothing to interact with. No post about which I could say anything at all. Absolutely zero.
But you're not putting any effort into generating interactions. I think that's what town are obligated to do when things are just getting going. But you seem fine to let things play out more slowly.
Huntress wrote:I'm a bit uneasy about Dry-fit - possible buddying there?
Possible buddying where?
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Of course the push is weak. We're three pages into the game, when you discount the opening posts. Any push is weak at this point, in part because you haven't posted enough to make a full case against. You've done like, two things, no I find them both scummy. Expecting more is ludicrous
In post 85, Pine wrote:The guys got like five posts, in which he scummed onto a wagon while claiming no responsibility for his vote.
Dat scum
In post 87, Pine wrote:Of course the push is weak. We're three pages into the game, when you discount the opening posts.
What I don't get is that you're confident in your read in the first quote, but then say it's a weak push in the second. Doesn't make sense to me. Are you confident in your read on me or not?
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Confident in interpretation, but evidence is thin. Evidence on anyone is thin at is time, but abdicating responsibility for your vote while slipping quietly onto a flash wagon is just not Town-intentioned
In post 81, Jingle wrote:I could quote her entire iso if that'll help.
I can't actually cause I'm mobile, but you get my point.
I actually am embarrassed to admit I don't. I feel really stupid right now.
Her entire ISO is various shades of questionable to me. I'll explain why when I'm not trying to get a migraine. Probably tomorrow afternoon at this point.
In post 31, TellTaleHeart wrote:Not really, more like random voting stage post position. Xayzeck voted Pine and was the third vote on the wagon in Post 14. What was Xayzeck's purpose here? Was it a pressure vote? If so, it kind of sucks since the wagon's built on pillars on sand and likely to crumble anyway, not giving much pressure. There's a few explanations, but I think one is slightly more likely than the others. The style of Xayzeck's post imitates the style of xRECKONERx's Post 12 and Huntress' Post 11: short vote posts without reason. He made the post to blend in.
From that first wagon I'm more inclined to think it's ++-- for
not
putting the third vote on Pine there. Xayzeck did what I might have done in his position. The rest of ++--'s posts show a continued avoidance of getting involved.
I'm a bit uneasy about Dry-fit - possible buddying there?
I didn't like Pine's 17. The last line felt a bit forced.
That's all I've got really. I was thinking either Dry-fit or Pine plus one of Jingle and Xayzeck but I have town reads on them so far so it could be there's some three-way distancing going on. However, with three out of five being scum I'm not putting too much weight on the town reads yet.
Strongest read so far is ++--.
Vote: ++--
Here we have the perfect "let's jump on an easy wagon" post.
In post 86, Dry-fit wrote:
But you're not putting any effort into generating interactions. I think that's what town are obligated to do when things are just getting going. But you seem fine to let things play out more slowly.
There is a very simple reason for that. Once there is something that happened, I can interact with it, but I'm absolutely awful at generating stuff to be interacted on.
In post 85, Pine wrote:
The guys got like five posts, in which he scummed onto a wagon while claiming no responsibility for his vote.
Oh, please. It's quite often the case that something as scummy as that actually comes from town. With good players, you have to look at the details instead of the "obvious scumtells". I'm not saying that it's a towntell, because it surely isn't, especially with a game with such a high proportion of scum in it, but it definitely isn't a scumtell either.
If I'd wanted an easy wagon I could have stayed on Dry-fit, or moved to Xayzeck following the IC's, rather than opening myself to criticism by following the most recent votes. But I think Xayzeck may be town and I was split between Dry and Pine, so I moved to a stronger scum read.
It was sparked by your 41 immediately after I voted you. Your comments about following the ICs also fed into it (but you backed that up in 86 so I'm less bothered about that now).
About Jingle, I could surely see his play coming from scum motivation. I'd say that he is leaning towards scum. I'm not really sure what to think about Xay. His page one L-2 would be a bold move from scum, but at the same time, it would also be a strange move from town, and that was by far his most remarkable move in this game so far, so let's say that I don't really have a read on him.
Her entire ISO is various shades of questionable to me. I'll explain why when I'm not trying to get a migraine. Probably tomorrow afternoon at this point.
Because I operate selfishly when I play mafia and it's much easier for me to glean reads off of people attacking me than off of people attacking other people, and nobody's going to attack me if I'm IC.
Because I operate selfishly when I play mafia and it's much easier for me to glean reads off of people attacking me than off of people attacking other people, and nobody's going to attack me if I'm IC.
