Mini 460 - Werewolves! Game over.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Ok, but ignoring the fact that he's an idiot. Do you think he is scum?

[Shanba]

Vote Count that has changed very little:

4: Alsleet

(theopor_COD, qman, OTM, Deathsauce)

3: schismatized

(Panerjager, Korran, Xyzzy)

1: Panzerjager

(schismatized)

1: Deathsauce

(Ectomacer)
Not voting: Bethelmark, Alsleet, Kscope.

[PJ.]

I believe he is scum. No one provides so much non-logic to the table for pro town reasons.

[Qman]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]

Also, can people like Bethelmark, QMark and Theopor post a bit more. I'd really appreciate if people start scumhunting a little more.[/quote]

QMark? Arrgh! Insults! *Scowl*

I've been busy to a degree i didn't expect this week, I'm trying to catch up in a few games. As is I'm forming so pretty good ideas just watched you Panzer OTM and etco go 15 rounds. I'll try to contribue more starting tommorrow

[theopor_COD]

Apologies for my recent lack of content; work has been mental.

I'll re-read the pages since Ecto replaced as that's pretty much when I last read anything.

[schismatized]

im gonna

unvote

now. this scuffle between deathsauce and ecto has me confused.

[Ectomancer]

Hrmm, I neglected to

unvote Deathsauce

last post. The answer was sufficient enough for me to put DS on my backburner.
I think I've given AlSleet enough rope now. Anyone else notice how he went straight into lurker mode once I shifted the heat?

I believe this is L-2

vote AlSleet

[AlSleet]

Hrmm, I neglected to

unvote Deathsauce

last post. The answer was sufficient enough for me to put DS on my backburner.
I think I've given AlSleet enough rope now. Anyone else notice how he went straight into lurker mode once I shifted the heat?

I believe this is L-2

vote AlSleet

I only lurked for like two pages because of the topic focusing on your debate with Ectomancer. I had nothing to contribute to that. I think temporary lurking is a poor reason to vote for me, especially after I've made what I think are adequate points in my defense before.

[xyzzy]

Hrmm, I neglected to

unvote Deathsauce

last post. The answer was sufficient enough for me to put DS on my backburner.
I think I've given AlSleet enough rope now. Anyone else notice how he went straight into lurker mode once I shifted the heat?

I believe this is L-2

vote AlSleet

I only lurked for like two pages because of the topic focusing on your debate with Ectomancer. I had nothing to contribute to that. I think temporary lurking is a poor reason to vote for me, especially after I've made what I think are adequate points in my defense before.

Bah, there's always something to contribute. If you're not already part of the conversation, insert yourself into it.

[Ectomancer]

Hrmm, I neglected to

unvote Deathsauce

last post. The answer was sufficient enough for me to put DS on my backburner.
I think I've given AlSleet enough rope now. Anyone else notice how he went straight into lurker mode once I shifted the heat?

I believe this is L-2

vote AlSleet

I only lurked for like two pages because of the topic focusing on your debate with Ectomancer. I had nothing to contribute to that. I think temporary lurking is a poor reason to vote for me, especially after I've made what I think are adequate points in my defense before.

Panzer and K-Scope had no problem carrying on their own discussion while DS and I wrestled over the meaning of his actions. "I had nothing to contribute" is one of the weakest excuses for lurking that you can use. It's a scum or lazy town reason.
Im afraid I cant allow you to characterize your actions as "temporary lurking" either. You were at 4 votes and climbing before I stirred things up in another direction. Did you do the town thing and go back to scum hunting? No. You may call it temporary lurking, I call it laying low and hoping everyone will forget about you.
I gave you an opportunity to cast yourself in a better light by taking the pressure off of you. You didn't take it. It appears that the pressure being put on you was justified and Im comfortable with putting it back on you again.

[AlSleet]

Hrmm, I neglected to

unvote Deathsauce

last post. The answer was sufficient enough for me to put DS on my backburner.
I think I've given AlSleet enough rope now. Anyone else notice how he went straight into lurker mode once I shifted the heat?

I believe this is L-2

vote AlSleet

I only lurked for like two pages because of the topic focusing on your debate with Ectomancer. I had nothing to contribute to that. I think temporary lurking is a poor reason to vote for me, especially after I've made what I think are adequate points in my defense before.

Panzer and K-Scope had no problem carrying on their own discussion while DS and I wrestled over the meaning of his actions. "I had nothing to contribute" is one of the weakest excuses for lurking that you can use. It's a scum or lazy town reason.
Im afraid I cant allow you to characterize your actions as "temporary lurking" either. You were at 4 votes and climbing before I stirred things up in another direction. Did you do the town thing and go back to scum hunting? No. You may call it temporary lurking, I call it laying low and hoping everyone will forget about you.
I gave you an opportunity to cast yourself in a better light by taking the pressure off of you. You didn't take it. It appears that the pressure being put on you was justified and Im comfortable with putting it back on you again.

Do whatever you want, but I know you are wrong. I find these accusations against me weak. I know not posting for awhile wasn't the smartest thing to do, but I'd rather not waste everyone's time making posts without any content. I contribute when I see that my opinions are relevant, and I didn't find your debate relevant.

[Ectomancer]

The fact is AlSleet, we dont know. That's why we play the game, to find out everyone else's alignment. I'm afraid we cant take your statement on faith.

I contribute when I see that my opinions are relevant, and I didn't find your debate relevant.

You found 2 pages worth of debate to be irrelevant? That certainly sounds like an opinion. Why did you not share it? My view is, if I see two people arguing over nothing, then something is going on there, yet you didn't pursue it. If I was attacking DS over nothing, then you should have called me on it, because I would have been distracting the town from better prospects. As I said, I think you were too busy laying low.

[AlSleet]

The fact is AlSleet, we dont know. That's why we play the game, to find out everyone else's alignment. I'm afraid we cant take your statement on faith.

I contribute when I see that my opinions are relevant, and I didn't find your debate relevant.

You found 2 pages worth of debate to be irrelevant? That certainly sounds like an opinion. Why did you not share it? My view is, if I see two people arguing over nothing, then something is going on there, yet you didn't pursue it. If I was attacking DS over nothing, then you should have called me on it, because I would have been distracting the town from better prospects. As I said, I think you were too busy laying low.

I wasn't trying to lay low. I had said all I had to say and didn't see how I could contribute anything to your debate.

[Off the Mark]

Hrmm, I neglected to

unvote Deathsauce

last post. The answer was sufficient enough for me to put DS on my backburner.
I think I've given AlSleet enough rope now. Anyone else notice how he went straight into lurker mode once I shifted the heat?

I believe this is L-2

vote AlSleet

Whoah, this post is

really

giving me bad vibes. You suddenly switched gears here, Ecto. Please explain why you are more suspicious of AISleet than DeathSauce all of a sudden?! Just for lurking? This seems sooo suspicious to me to attack one player voraciously for two pages and then all of a sudden unvote and leap onto the most convenient bandwagon. Please explain your actions, or I am going to have to change my vote.

FOS: Ectomancer

[PJ.]

I half agree with OTM and half don't. I truly believe Ecto viewed the defense as sufficient thus not needing to beat a dead horse if you will. So he jumps on to AlSleet. I find the reason to be half-assed. If he was going after someone for laying low why didn't Schism's name come up? He hasn't posted content in a very long time, longer then AlSleet. I find Ecto's reason legitamate but he used it to jump on the second biggest offender because he is closer to lynch. Please explain why you mention Sleet and not Schism.

[Off the Mark]

Panzer, let Ecto defend himself.

[Ectomancer]

I didn't switch gears at all. Im going right along with what I said I was going to do.

Im not going to join the Al wagon just yet. Once I can go back and analyze my first thoughts on those plays, I'll see if the case on him really needs to move, or if we need to look at some manipulators.

DS's statements required a more immediate response from me, and once his answers kept snowballing, I kept up the pressure. Once he gave me an answer that was at least halfway understandable, I went back and examined AlSleet again, just as I said I would do. The first thing I wanted to do was call him on his lurking. He gave a crap answer for doing it. Now he claims his defense earlier was adequate. At the end of my review, I didnt feel it was, but needed to focus specifically on the case on AlSleet to see exactly why. Once I get an opportunity, I will go back and explain why his answers were not sufficient. You will have to recall that I came in on page 10, so that is a lot of material that I have to go back once again and review with the focus being on AlSleet and his defense.

@Panzer - Schism is a n00b. You have no support for your wagon on him. Quit trying to use your lack of a viable case to launch attacks on other players. If you have a case, you need to do a better job of presenting it.

[Off the Mark]

I will accept that for now, but I am interested in seeing your further explanation. I had forgotten you had expressed any suspicion on AISleet, so it came out of nowhere from my perspective. Still don't like it much, so IGMEOY.

As far as Schis goes, I still think it is possible he is scum, but he is such a newb, it seems like lynching him would just give us a slightly-better-than-random chance at finding scum. That's my read on him, anyway.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I'd say that if we have a vig, he should shoot schis, just to eliminate the doubt factor of his newbness.

Placeholder vote:

Bethelmark until he speaks some more

[AlSleet]

I didn't switch gears at all. Im going right along with what I said I was going to do.

Im not going to join the Al wagon just yet. Once I can go back and analyze my first thoughts on those plays, I'll see if the case on him really needs to move, or if we need to look at some manipulators.

DS's statements required a more immediate response from me, and once his answers kept snowballing, I kept up the pressure. Once he gave me an answer that was at least halfway understandable, I went back and examined AlSleet again, just as I said I would do. The first thing I wanted to do was call him on his lurking. He gave a crap answer for doing it. Now he claims his defense earlier was adequate. At the end of my review, I didnt feel it was, but needed to focus specifically on the case on AlSleet to see exactly why. Once I get an opportunity, I will go back and explain why his answers were not sufficient. You will have to recall that I came in on page 10, so that is a lot of material that I have to go back once again and review with the focus being on AlSleet and his defense.

@Panzer - Schism is a n00b. You have no support for your wagon on him. Quit trying to use your lack of a viable case to launch attacks on other players. If you have a case, you need to do a better job of presenting it.

You're forgetting that I'm also a n00b. Newer than schism even. I think there's a bit of a double standard here with me and schism and it really pisses me off. I noticed this trend with Off the Mark especially. I'm not trying to play the n00b card here, but it annoys me when there's double standards like this and it could also be construed as scummy.

[Off the Mark]

You're forgetting that I'm also a n00b. Newer than schism even. I think there's a bit of a double standard here with me and schism and it really pisses me off. I noticed this trend with Off the Mark especially. I'm not trying to play the n00b card here

Oh yes you are!! This is the scummiest post I've seen from you yet. You have no opinion on the arguments going around with Ecto/Deathsauce/Kscope/Panzer/me? You don't appear to be doing any scumhunting at all, you are only concerned with defending yourself. This is exactly how scum behave and I am sticking with you as my vote for lynch today.

[AlSleet]

You're forgetting that I'm also a n00b. Newer than schism even. I think there's a bit of a double standard here with me and schism and it really pisses me off. I noticed this trend with Off the Mark especially. I'm not trying to play the n00b card here

Oh yes you are!! This is the scummiest post I've seen from you yet. You have no opinion on the arguments going around with Ecto/Deathsauce/Kscope/Panzer/me? You don't appear to be doing any scumhunting at all, you are only concerned with defending yourself. This is exactly how scum behave and I am sticking with you as my vote for lynch today.

I've called you out as potential scum before. You defend schis and explain it by some crap reason. I think you are scum along with schis, I've posted analysis on this before. And no, maybe I didn't have an opinion but it's just stupid to say I haven't been trying to hunt scum. Maybe I'm not quite as prolific as other people but I'm certainly no detriment like some other people. Oh, and sorry I'm defending myself when I'm the prime candidate for the lynch today. I don't know why you blame me for that. I think your reasoninh against me is weak, especially the part about defending myself when I'm about to be lynched.

[Off the Mark]

I don't think it is bad for you to defend yourself, but it is bad to ignore pages of discussion and continue to

only

defend yourself. Ah yes, I had forgotten about your "OTM and schis are a scum pair" theory. You still believe this, even though I said he could very well be scum?

[Ectomancer]

I will accept that for now, but I am interested in seeing your further explanation. I had forgotten you had expressed any suspicion on AISleet, so it came out of nowhere from my perspective. Still don't like it much, so IGMEOY.

As far as Schis goes, I still think it is possible he is scum, but he is such a newb, it seems like lynching him would just give us a slightly-better-than-random chance at finding scum. That's my read on him, anyway.

Heh, until I read the last few posts, I was about to say that I dont like it much that people are sitting on the AlSleet wagon without pushing it. It makes me feel like people are comfortable with their current seat on it and are just waiting until the end of the ride. <scum scum scum>

You're forgetting that I'm also a n00b. Newer than schism even. I think there's a bit of a double standard here with me and schism and it really pisses me off. I noticed this trend with Off the Mark especially. I'm not trying to play the n00b card here, but it annoys me when there's double standards like this and it could also be construed as scummy.

Not a bad point AlSleet. I'll take it into consideration.

[AlSleet]

I don't think it is bad for you to defend yourself, but it is bad to ignore pages of discussion and continue to

only

defend yourself. Ah yes, I had forgotten about your "OTM and schis are a scum pair" theory. You still believe this, even though I said he could very well be scum?

Well, yes, I think it's probable. If schis turns out to be scum, I'd definitely go to you as his scumbuddy. But I think I oughta reread the last few pages and review what's up, because I may have missed something. But, yes, you and schis are my primary candidates.