So, I thought about some things today and there are some things I'm just not okay with, and my problems are pretty much all with Solar Wind.
My main problem is that the interaction with us feels really posturey and not at all natural or designed to read us or designed to eventually work with us should we town read each other, which would be the ultimate goal of theirs if they are town.
The interaction with us early day one doesn't feel right at all. It feels like falcon was forcing concern and paranoia about our slot because that's what he would be expected to do. (And which he did as scum in Serum and Steel and in a marathon game recently.) His response to me scum hunting also is all wrong. I scum hunted him in
73 and his response in
93 he basically said my posts scum hunting him would irritate him. Oh and me thinking he has a high probability of scum would irritate him. This makes no sense at all. In a similar vein in the neighborhood when I expressed my suspicion, the response - which I think came from ffery - was that I was losing some of my ffery-reading abilities. I pretty much dismissed it as a joke, but the more I think about it the more it has me concerned. I am getting much better at reading ffery, and in a few games last year she was my strongest and sometimes only confident town read, but it's not a read I had quickly. It's a read that usually took hold sometime mid day one or two, and in the last game we played together I spent real moments of paranoia over her and after the game was over I still couldn't figure out why I couldn't confidently get to town.
So, then the joke feels like a warning in a sense. And in a vacuum this post probably wouldn't warrant second attention because I would just think of it as friendly banter between people who had a difficult time reading each other but over the course of the last year had gotten much better at it. But when I look at some of falcon's posts here and in the neighborhood, it more feels like a posturey warning. It feels very much like how I treated falcon when I was scum in Fantasy Camp. I feel like the methods I used as scum against him are being parroted right back at me and it concerns me a lot.
I'm torn here though because of this post:
In post 233, Solar Wind wrote:FourTrouble, Farside, Ooba, Brantz, House and Rach are likely town. Discuss.
The list I posted in our hydra PT also included Imperium but townreading Tammy is town means it is harder to mess around with her and I wanted to do it a little longer as telling her about her towniness is boring - she hears it every game nonstop.
So maybe some of the interaction has all been trolling, but it doesn't feel that way.
Because I think about a couple of posts that just don't feel right.
In post 67, Solar Wind wrote:Not sure. I don't feel the townvibes that I'm hoping you and Tammy would give off if you are town yet. There's one other thing that bugged me but I'm going to hold on to it for now and discuss with Ffery. In the meantime, I want to see obvtown Nacho and obvtown Tammy.
This feels posturey. Like he's making demands of us because he thinks it will make him look more town to do so rather than an organic interaction.
In post 77, Solar Wind wrote:You reached out to Ffery in the post you claim I should have responded to. I assumed she would respond when she shows up.
I don't particularly see any point in posting in the neighborhood at this moment. We don't know if there's scum in there and there are, we'd be hiding our interactions from the rest of the town but not the scum.
And Tammy, I don't get what you are jumping down my throat about. You opened up with a similar post to what you did in Fantasy Camp (Empire trolled me that we drew scum) and then proceeded to reach out to Ffery which I would expect regardless of alignment although more likely town.
And I think it is far more obvious that we are town than you are so don't give me that "town is dripping from my posts" stuff.
And I share Ffery's sentiment. If you are town, I would like to figure it out quickly.
This is needlessly antagonistic and feels like it was designed to start an argument. He has seen someone antagonize me this way and saw the resultant distraction that was created that game, so it feels like he was hoping to start a fight. And I'm finding it really hard to find the town motivation in doing so. I realize that there's no real respect for me as a player or a person anymore and that's fine, but I don't understand why even if he was town and didn't want to work with me, he'd try to start an argument if he were town.
I was basically writing most of this stuff off as jokes/troll/whatever and looking at it with a cautious eye but then I got to this set of posts today:
In post 453, Solar Wind wrote:Stop making me second guess my read. It took long enough to develop that until Tammy went down a complete paranoid spiral and I realized that it is highly unlikely you guys are scum.
This makes no sense whatsoever. Last night when I didn't comment on a couple of his reads, he wondered why I hadn't. Never mind the fact, that I don't go commenting on everyone's reads all the time especially this early in the game when I'm feeling things out. I'm not going to comment for the sake of commenting when I don't feel solid one way or another or even if I sometimes do. He also asked me to have nacho talk to him about angry pidgeon.
BUT when Nacho does comment on his reads (something he clearly wanted) and agrees with the reads basically but has different strengths of those reads, it's cause for him to second guess his town read of us? I was surprised that literally noone else besides Tiphaine Death saw the problem with this post. (I'm not sure what I think of Tiphaine Death, his entrance post is kind of weird and his reasoning for thinking one of us is kinda eh when he just got done playing a game with us - Final Fantasy - and the way we interacted isn't completely different from that game and he didn't mention it at all, it's odd it's a problem for him here. But I also didn't like Falcon pointing out that HE DID NOT BUDDY US BECAUSE HE DEMANDED WE TOWN OURSELVES because it just feels like more posturing.
But this post to Nacho feels like more along those warning lines and is where I went to start revisiting some of the posts from yesterday. He's basically warning Nacho that if Nacho doesn't agree with him 100% or if he thinks a read of his is weird, that he's prepared to take back his town read of us. Which is way way way more likely to come from Falcon scum. In Serum and Steel, every time our interaction being off and him not seeming town from it, he turned it around on me. It was always my fault for our interaction not being the same. When I tried to make sense of his reads and offer my own, he shut me down and turned it around on me. And then when I finally realized he was, in fact, scum and started pushing him, he omgus'd me harder than fuck and then drowned the game in a huge distraction designed to keep me from figuring out the game and getting an adequate push on him.
I'm concerned that he's gearing up to do that here, because his interaction with us just is not natural. Or me. IDK. Something just doesn't feel right and I don't know what to do about it or how I'm supposed to feel about it. I'm putting this out there because if I don't I'm going to go insane and Nacho hasn't responded to any of my messages today.
I feel dumb but...