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I have posted. I will post when I have something to say. My scum list? Hard to say with so little info. Klop would probably be the best lynch atm. But we got a long way to go. I also wonder about AmeliaLi. What do I think of lurkers? From what I have seen, lurkers are not always scum. But, I agree with the pressuring.ryan wrote:
Good to see it drew you out to start posting. So who is making your scum list currently? As for "lynching lurkers" I'm more into "prodding lurkers"Dral wrote:Who said anything about a deadline?Unvote: Nanosauromo, Vote: Lowell
PS Don't act like the deadline was a trick. You were thinking of your other game that has a deadline on Friday.Dral needs a sig and an avatar-
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ryan wrote:
So I did a little metagaming on you and you've done this EXACT same thing in a game you are currently in. What's the story? A tactic or a tell? I apologize that I cannot link the thread but the game is ongoing so we can't talk about it (via the rules) but it's safe to say that this wasn't a "slip up" in this game, he's done it before.klopyrev wrote:vote klopyrev!!! Can I vote for myself?
unvote/vote: klopyrev
The more I look at that comment (and that I know that you've done it before) the more I just cant see how I shouldn't vote you. Anti town is exactly what a vote yourself move would be.[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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As much as I agree with what Nanosauromo says, I would like to add that a dead townie is also a confirmed townie. Quiet townie is certainly not. Would prefer not to lynch anyone until we get everyone to speak out.Nanosauromo wrote:AmeliaLi's "Lynch All Lurkers" strategy is horrid. Lurking =/= scum. A quiet townie is better than a dead townie.
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I've seen that other game too, and he does come across as scummy in that one... but I am deferring voting for him because it appears that voting for himself is his usual style of play (based on games he has played). Hell, he can't be scum in all games he plays, and if he votes for himself in all his games, it is still anti-town, but that doesn't make him a scum.ryan wrote:ryan wrote:
So I did a little metagaming on you and you've done this EXACT same thing in a game you are currently in. What's the story? A tactic or a tell? I apologize that I cannot link the thread but the game is ongoing so we can't talk about it (via the rules) but it's safe to say that this wasn't a "slip up" in this game, he's done it before.klopyrev wrote:vote klopyrev!!! Can I vote for myself?
unvote/vote: klopyrev
The more I look at that comment (and that I know that you've done it before) the more I just cant see how I shouldn't vote you. Anti town is exactly what a vote yourself move would be.
About the deadline... yeah, I agree with Dral about you thinking about that game when you said deadline being on Friday too... still, I concede that people started posting after it.I'm back!-
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I actually thought there was a deadline (however, after a quick reread I think I might have been referencing another game)..at any rate, Lowell's "I will be around on Monday" quote is less suspicious for now and does not warrant a vote..
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However, I don’t buy that you were joking. Pro-town players (if they are smart) never want to lynch a quiet person. It only helps that mafia.AmeliaLi wrote:
Lets get rid of them. Seeing as how they aren't truely here anyways.ryan wrote:AmeliaLi: I'd like your opinion on something. What should we do to the lurkers in the game?
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Yes, lynching lurkers is always bad for the town. Even if we're lucky and hit a scum lurker, chances are they weren't paying attention to the game anyway. Therefore, they weren't taking part in the decisions of who to kill every night. Also, they aren't able to sway the discussion in their favor if they're not posting. Killing this type of person doesn't really have a benefit for the town, other than getting rid of one of the Mafia members. It's always better to lynch an active Mafia member because they are more of a threat to the town. Also, the chances are very good that if we lynch someone, they're going to turn up to be pro-town. It would be better to replace these people with active players than to lynch them and lose their role forever.[color=orange][b] MIGHTYFIREBALL [/b][/color]
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I just wanted to say that the voting for myself business was a really stupid joke. I didn't think it'd go so far. It already got me killed in another game. I don't think I'm supposed to say my position in the other game, but I can tell you that I wasn't mafia. I don't know what I was thinking the day I made a post like that in both threads.ryan wrote:ryan wrote:
So I did a little metagaming on you and you've done this EXACT same thing in a game you are currently in. What's the story? A tactic or a tell? I apologize that I cannot link the thread but the game is ongoing so we can't talk about it (via the rules) but it's safe to say that this wasn't a "slip up" in this game, he's done it before.klopyrev wrote:vote klopyrev!!! Can I vote for myself?
unvote/vote: klopyrev
The more I look at that comment (and that I know that you've done it before) the more I just cant see how I shouldn't vote you. Anti town is exactly what a vote yourself move would be.-
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Don't misinterpret what I said, which was "get into a defensive play mode and concentrate on defense to the exclusion of offense". In my experience, when a townie is seriously attacked (three votes or more), they will defend themselves strongly. Then they'll immediately resume their previous play style, which always includes their suspicions and (hopefully) the people that strike them as more townish. A mafia member seriously attacked will instead turn 100% to defense. If they have an offense at all, it will generally be of the "Sure, I'm suspicious, but X is way MORE suspicious. Kill him!" variety.curiouskarmadog wrote:I do not agree with the defensive play mode theory. I think mafia and town alike get defensive when their head is on a block. If someone accuses you of doing something scummy, most people’s first reaction is to defend their actions…which will then have retorts, and retorts to retorts, and so on.
And from time to time, I'll accuse someone of doing this just to see how they react to it.
I'm interested that you say nothing interesting has happened in the first 100 posts other than klopyrev's vote on himself. I have a fairly decent pile of notes, myself. Why do you find Indy's two mini-wagons not interesting, for instance, particularly now that it's being followed by total silence? Why is Tornado's defense of Amelia in post 78 not interesting to you? Who among the players is striking you as more townish, if you're not seeing any/many scum? So far, you're striking me as possible scum saying just enough not to get on people's radar, but also not providing any content in your posts.
ryan is absolutely correct here. If anything, scum will attack each other more forcefully than other townies, particularly in the early game, hoping to throw suspicion off themselves later. curiouskarmadog's vote on Lowell could be just such a play, for instance. This post strongly reinforces the town vibe I was getting off you earlier, ryan.ryan wrote:Klopyrev: That theory doesn't fly my friend. Scum can vote eachother, fight with eachother, they can do whatever they want to throw off the town. Those two can be just as scummy as anyone else here. It's called deception and I've seen enough scumpairs do it that I don't take anything for granted
I don't think I've ever voted off the dice. Instead, I tend to meta-game a little bit and base my first vote on that. I'll see who confirms earlier and later when the game starts and make some guesses about whether townies or scum will confirm first.AmeliaLi wrote:A) I was voting off of the dice. Its more suspcious to throw the dice up and not vote rather than vote for and then both do something 'scummy'
If true, that's very interesting.ryan wrote:So I did a little metagaming on you and you've done this EXACT same thing in a game you are currently in. What's the story? A tactic or a tell? I apologize that I cannot link the thread but the game is ongoing so we can't talk about it (via the rules) but it's safe to say that this wasn't a "slip up" in this game, he's done it before.
Already mini-commented on this, but I find it a little suspicious, particularly if you're active in other games.Lowell wrote:Yeah basically I'm a little out of touch in most of my games recently. I'll be able to turn that around Monday, but until then I'll basically be in and out. Sorry about that. I trust nothing too important will happen until then.
This is the single scummiest thing said in the game so far, and I don't buy your "hee hee, just joking!" in the slightest. Still, what's interesting to me is less what you said and more how the other players are reacting to it. I'm starting to think you're a townie with a gift for saying the wrong things. I'd like it if you played the game based on players rather than concepts. When you talk about concepts, you dig yourself into a hole.AmeliaLi wrote:Lets get rid of them. Seeing as how they aren't truely here anyways.
A post with no content, continuing a long string of them from Dral. How about actual comment on the game, Dral?ryan wrote:Good to see it drew you out to start posting.
Here's your first actual game content, and it's almost a point-for-point match with curiouskarmadog's post 99. I find that fascinating. Same questions to you that I posted to him above.Dral wrote:I will post when I have something to say. My scum list? Hard to say with so little info. Klop would probably be the best lynch atm. But we got a long way to go. I also wonder about AmeliaLi.
Opportunistic much? My vote on Nano remains. He's posted the least actual game content of any player, and combined with this rush to judgment, makes him look very bad.Nano and curiouskarmadog wrote:Kill! Kill! Kill!
I'd really like to hear more from Indy, Nano, Dral, and Lowell. These players are posting just enough not to show up on people's radar, but not enough to actually contribute to the game. I believe two out of the four are scum. curiouskarmadog is saying enough to stay off my list of four, but what he does post troubles me. He might be a third scum. ryan strikes me as the most townish, followed by Fireball and AmeliaLi.Indy wrote:Absolutely nothing at all
And I'm caught up again.I do not play MS on weekends; consider me on V/LA during them-
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Hmmm... I also would like to comment on the utter lack of content from Dral. He's posted a few times, but he's either said that he doesn't understand something, that he's not available, or offered some meager analysis that has already been given by other players. I'd like to see some more quality posting from him.[color=orange][b] MIGHTYFIREBALL [/b][/color]
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I'll even help you out a bit! I just wondered if I can vote for myself without actually voting in game 403 of The Road to Rome. Satisfied? To continue with the game, I have a question for the more experienced people. How do you keep notes? I keep reading different posts over and over, but there are just too many for me to base my opinion about anything. How do you keep notes? What do you write down and what do you not write down?-
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Hmmm... I tried to keep notes once, and it was dreadfully hard. I suppose you just summarize what everyone says in each post. That is the incredibly time consuming method, but then you can look at your notes and more easily discern patterns among the players. I imagine it's very helpful, but I'm just not passionate about the game to do it.[color=orange][b] MIGHTYFIREBALL [/b][/color]
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I have posted a little. Sorry it doesn't meet your standards.Jester wrote:How about actual comment on the game, Dral?
okJester wrote:Same questions to you that I posted to him above.
I don't think the first mini-wagon meant anything at all. It just looked like a second random/joke vote. Now I am a little concerned about the second mini-wagon. He put the third vote on someone who was already coming under a little fire (AmeliaLi). Plus he gave no explanation and hasn't posted since. Very scummy.Jester wrote:Why do you find Indy's two mini-wagons not interesting, for instance, particularly now that it's being followed by total silence?
I did find it interesting and I even brought it up in post 111. I gave a little theory on how it could have meaning. Both of them responded to my post with a ridiculous response. Oh she used a dice roll that always gives a one that happens to be ST. Yet, it was random ...Jester wrote: Why is Tornado's defense of Amelia in post 78 not interesting to you?
I think ryan and Jester have seemed town. Klop seems like a newbie. I don't have a problem with curiouskarmadog or Numenorean7. Not sure about MightyFireball after he attacked me for no reason. AmeliaLi I think is one of the mafia. Not sure about her buddy, Sir Tornado.Jester wrote:Who among the players is striking you as more townish, if you're not seeing any/many scum?
The single scummiest thing said and you consider her town?Jester wrote:
This is the single scummiest thing said in the game so far, and I don't buy your "hee hee, just joking!" in the slightest.AmeliaLi wrote:Lets get rid of them. Seeing as how they aren't truely here anyways.Dral needs a sig and an avatar-
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Lowell says he'll be back on Monday, so I'll give him until then.
QFT.Nano wrote:AmeliaLi's "Lynch All Lurkers" strategy is horrid. Lurking =/= scum. A quiet townie is better than a dead townie.FoS: AmeliaLi
Yet again, QFTDral wrote:The single scummiest thing said and you consider her town?
Looking back at the start of the AmeliaLi problem:In post 43, Sir Tornado wrote:Oh, by the way, I will Unvote my random vote because I usually do so after the first vote count
I think this is totally benign. All this nonsense about leading and plans and stuff is just nonsense. She saw ST unvote, and decides it would be a good idea. It's the reactions (posts 74, 78, 80, 82, 90, et al) I don't like.In post 44, AmeliaLi wrote:And seeing as how my vote was utterly random as well.
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Indy jumped on the Amelia wagon in post 63 with the comment "I concur" before these reactions took place. This is really scummy in my eyes. There was the evidence quoted above,alone. AmeliaLi hadn't even responded, and Indy started a bandwagon. eeew. And now he's gone. double eeew. Thanks for bringing him to my attention, Ryan.
Vote: Indy
Anyone think Ryan is being too townie?
By the way, it seems that Nano did the same not-really-die-roll that AmeliaLi did back in post 18.
How did curious hop on the deadline wagon in post 131? Wishful thinking?
Sorry for the scatter-brained post. I really need to go to bed. Will post more soon. I'm back from my vacation, so I should get back to normal.Political Correctness offends me.-
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klopyrev wrote:I'll even help you out a bit! I just wondered if I can vote for myself without actually voting in game 403 of The Road to Rome. Satisfied? To continue with the game, I have a question for the more experienced people. How do you keep notes? I keep reading different posts over and over, but there are just too many for me to base my opinion about anything. How do you keep notes? What do you write down and what do you not write down?
klopyrev: As for keeping notes, I usually hit quote and than copy and paste comments that appear strange to me in a word document and save it for future reference[i]Please remove your head from your ass before you vote.[/i]-
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Yay! Thanks for that analysis, Dral. Also, Numenorian, I'm pretty sure this:
Is a logical fallacy called Too Townie. It's probably unintentional, but you should be aware of it.Anyone think Ryan is being too townie?[color=orange][b] MIGHTYFIREBALL [/b][/color]
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Yay! Thanks for that analysis, Dral. Also, Numenorian, I'm pretty sure this:
Is a logical fallacy called Too Townie. It's probably unintentional, but you should be aware of it.Anyone think Ryan is being too townie?[color=orange][b] MIGHTYFIREBALL [/b][/color]
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Okay. I just re read through all my posts, and holy shit, I'm acting Anti-Town. Other than that I have really nothing to add to this. Ryan has asked all the good questions and I agree with the whole he's actingtoo-twon. But he hasn't given me reason to say the too-town thing is really bad. I've seen what he's done first hand!>.> I changed my email on crywolf20084....
so now i'm on my other account.
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