Mgm's Egypt Mafia - Over

The Fonz · Post Post #300 (ISO) » Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:51 pm

RafK wrote:
the silent speaker wrote:RafK, for one thing it would clarify whether you are saying, "We must not revive Yos today; tomorrow is a shiny new day and we can make a shiny new decision then," or, "We must never revive Yos, ever ever ever, for he is scum," or, "We must not revive Yos, ever ever ever, but not because he is necessarily scum; for some other reason."
You're right, it is worth clarifying that we must not revive Yos ever ever ever. Other details aren't worth worrying about at this stage. If I die you know you can trust me on that, and if I live and the exact reason becomes important, I'll be able to tell you why.

I actually think it would have been better had you just stuck to saying 'we shouldn't revive him today' today, then come out with 'we should never revive him' tomorrow. Seems to me you've given out more information than is necessary, though I suppose there was always the chance you got NKed tonight. But, then we could revive you.

Zindaras · Post Post #301 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:46 am

Well, Khepri is the one I expected when Nightson posted his result, so that's a good thing, I guess.

Nightson, please paraphrase your PM as closely as you can. Ask Mgm if it's an okay paraphrase if you want to.

Phoebus · Post Post #302 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:59 am

Oh dear lord...
Can someone please help me understand why a god associated with rebirth would be a cop?
You could at least have claimed Necromancer or something...

The Fonz · Post Post #303 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:09 am

Phoebus wrote:Oh dear lord...
Can someone please help me understand why a god associated with rebirth would be a cop?
You could at least have claimed Necromancer or something...

wikipedia wrote:To explain where the sun goes at night, such pushing was extended to the underworld, Khepri's pushing of the sun being ceaseless.

My guess would be that the flavour has Khepri checking up on the forces of death whilst rolling the sun through the underworld, or something.

Phoebus · Post Post #304 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:18 am

That. Is a stretch.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #305 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:23 am

Nightson's information was convincing and I'm awfully terrified at the thought we just exposed three power/informational roles day 1

The Fonz · Post Post #306 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:26 am

Maybe, but we still have the revive, and as we don't know quite what RafK's role is, it may be that preventing Yos being revived might be the most useful thing he could do for the town, and hence worth hinting powerrole. We can also be reasonably confident that, if you're telling the truth, you're not sane, which is useful.

Nightson · Post Post #307 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:46 am

Zindaras wrote:Well, Khepri is the one I expected when Nightson posted his result, so that's a good thing, I guess.

Nightson, please paraphrase your PM as closely as you can. Ask Mgm if it's an okay paraphrase if you want to.

Clearing it with Mgm.

Nightson · Post Post #308 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:57 am

That was fast.

I'm Howard Carter, I found King tut's tomb. I send in a name and get a description of something in their home or tomb. [My win condition]

Mastermind of Sin · Post Post #309 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:05 am

*lurk*

I'm not terribly worried about the power roles being outed, unless they are protection roles. Although, there better have been a good reason.

Zindaras · Post Post #310 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:08 am

Well, if you want to know why Khepri is a Cop, why don't you ask Albert? It should be in his PM.

Nightson wrote:That was fast.

I'm Howard Carter, I found King tut's tomb. I send in a name and get a description of something in their home or tomb. [My win condition]

Well, that actually is a bit of a fifty-fifty. I was thinking that, being Howard Carter and all, you'd be a Burglar, a role which sometimes has miller attached to it.

YogurtBandit · Post Post #311 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:09 am

Nightson wrote:That was fast.

I'm Howard Carter, I found King tut's tomb. I send in a name and get a description of something in their home or tomb. [My win condition]

Wait, so your Win conditon is to find somthing in someones tomb? Basically a Cop?

Thoth · Post Post #312 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:14 am

Still not convinced about Nightson. His role does not seem to make a lot of sense flavourwise, there's still the guilty investigation. His ability is there, but no reason why that would make him protown. It's not an uncommon ability for scum.

I would be interested if there's anyone else with a modern era role. If so I would be willing to unvote, but for now I'm happy with it.

The Fonz · Post Post #313 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:23 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
Nightson wrote:That was fast.

I'm Howard Carter, I found King tut's tomb. I send in a name and get a description of something in their home or tomb. [My win condition]
Wait, so your Win conditon is to find somthing in someones tomb? Basically a Cop?

No, it means:

First line, he's Howard Carter, he found King Tut's tomb.
Second, his role.
Third, [his win condition] which he's declining to state.

Nightson · Post Post #314 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:42 am

YogurtBandit wrote:
Nightson wrote:That was fast.

I'm Howard Carter, I found King tut's tomb. I send in a name and get a description of something in their home or tomb. [My win condition]
Wait, so your Win conditon is to find somthing in someones tomb? Basically a Cop?

Paraphrasing the win condition was a no no.

YogurtBandit · Post Post #315 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:44 am

Nightson wrote:
YogurtBandit wrote:
Nightson wrote:That was fast.

I'm Howard Carter, I found King tut's tomb. I send in a name and get a description of something in their home or tomb. [My win condition]
Wait, so your Win conditon is to find somthing in someones tomb? Basically a Cop?
Paraphrasing the win condition was a no no.

Ah okay.

RafK · Post Post #316 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:59 pm

The Fonz wrote:
Phoebus wrote:Oh dear lord...
Can someone please help me understand why a god associated with rebirth would be a cop?
You could at least have claimed Necromancer or something...

wikipedia wrote:To explain where the sun goes at night, such pushing was extended to the underworld, Khepri's pushing of the sun being ceaseless.
My guess would be that the flavour has Khepri checking up on the forces of death whilst rolling the sun through the underworld, or something.

Can we please let Albert answer this for himself?

I just got done with DotA mafia on MTGS, where a scum- Primate, as it happens- falseclaimed cop and faked a guilty investigation on a townie. The next morning, obviously, I'm like "Better have a good explanation for that, I think you're lying scum" and some cleared townie comes up with an amazing explanation of why the alleged scum wouldn't have done that if he was scum, and clearly there was a mistake, and voting for him was incredibly scummy. The scum didn't even have to defend himself, a townie did it all for him. I was lynched that day instead, because leaping all over a proved liar is obviously scummy

My point is, make people explain themselves.

RafK · Post Post #317 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:00 pm

By "I just got done", btw, I mean that the game just finished, not that I just got killed in it. Not discussing an ongoing game

the silent speaker · Post Post #318 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:53 pm

If I die you know you can trust me on that,

Why? If we have two scum groups you could just as easily be the group that didn't kill you. If we have only one scum group, presumably Yosarian isn't part of it, so why not revive him?

You are fishing, you don't need to take anything I say on blind trust because it will be revealed eventually anyway.

What will be revealed? Yos's role? You haven't staked an assertion on Yos's role, and in fact have by implication disclaimed any; Yosarian's role doesn't have an expiration date. You haven't said

anything

that will later be revealed or disproven. The only claim you have made is that you have made a claim.

Besides, if you tell a lie on day 1 that will be revealed on day 6, that's five days you've bought yourself of presumed innocence. You'll have to do lots better than "It'll all be revealed eventually, so I must be followed without question."

Zindaras · Post Post #319 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:31 pm

RafK wrote:Can we please let Albert answer this for himself?

I just got done with DotA mafia on MTGS, where a scum- Primate, as it happens- falseclaimed cop and faked a guilty investigation on a townie. The next morning, obviously, I'm like "Better have a good explanation for that, I think you're lying scum" and some cleared townie comes up with an amazing explanation of why the alleged scum wouldn't have done that if he was scum, and clearly there was a mistake, and voting for him was incredibly scummy. The scum didn't even have to defend himself, a townie did it all for him. I was lynched that day instead, because leaping all over a proved liar is obviously scummy

My point is, make people explain themselves.

Yeah, that's pretty much why I posted what I posted (and I did the same with Nightson). I have a hypothesis I think is pretty solid, but first I want to see what Albert comes up with.

Nightson · Post Post #320 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:54 pm

Zindaras wrote: Well, that actually is a bit of a fifty-fifty. I was thinking that, being Howard Carter and all, you'd be a Burglar, a role which sometimes has miller attached to it.

Carter didn't steal artifacts silly Zindie, him being burgler wouldn't make sense.

Zindaras · Post Post #321 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:55 pm

Well, even the Wiki states that Howard Carter entered the tomb before waiting for the officials, so there is definitely something not legal going on there.

Zindaras · Post Post #322 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:56 pm

EBWOP: Whatever you may say, the role you have is a Burglar (or Thief). See the Flash file on roles.

Mgm · Post Post #323 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:03 pm

Sorry for butting in there, but what does EBWOP mean?

Zindaras · Post Post #324 (ISO) » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:20 pm

Edit By Way Of Post.