Micro 431 - Noughts and Crosses Mafia
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Belisarius Mafia Scum
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@Math Scum pretty much have to kill Pine tonight. A T-Bone lynch tomorrow is still acceptable (and a preferred lynch of mine) regardless of RC's alignment. You shouldn't be too concerned, we can definitely swing a T-Bone lynch tomorrow based on the sheer volume of people townreading me, and the fact that I'm townreading you hardcore.
@scum: For you, sir/madam, the war is over.-
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Mathdino Survivor
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meanwhile, i question your alignment with the 'hardcore townreading' and the general buddying going on
but fuuuuck
even if T-Bone flips scum our lynches become forced after that
and if he's town we unquestionably lose by lynching him
need to look at beli's interactions now -_--
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Belisarius Mafia Scum
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T-Bone He/HimA Cut AboveHe/Him
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You can't act like I'm confirmed scum and then agonize over losing the game in the same breath if you're town. There is so much disconnect there it isn't even about anything else right now. If you're sure I'm scum then I would have just handed the game to the town. It's ridiculous. If you want to write me off as scum that's on you. If you're town you should realize where I am coming from from a town perspective. You're not even willing to view this situation from my perspective. If you're scum you obviously don't have to. If you're town and think I'm scum then you don't have to either. At this point I can't even see where you'd be coming from a town perspective because the hemming and hawing at this stage makes absolutely no sense.-
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Mathdino Survivor
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Scenarios:
1. RC is scum. Great. Sweet. Keep lynching as usual and have everyone promise to lynch T-Bone in LyLo. Scum is guaranteed to be in {Kaboose, vettrock, T-Bone}.
2. RC is town and T-Bone is town. FUCK WE LOST.
3. RC is town and T-Bone is scum. Whoop-dee-doo. Scum just hammered town. But EVEN IF we lynch T-Bone the day after that, we either go with the lynch scum force upon us, or we HAVE to bag the last scum. Otherwise we lose.
And unfortunately, T-Bone, I have no idea who your partner is, and we don't have the luxury of just lynching anyone.
The hilarious thing about this is this game would now be easier if it were mountainous.-
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Belisarius Mafia Scum
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In post 178, T-Bone wrote:At this point I can't even see where you'd be coming from a town perspective because the hemming and hawing at this stage makes absolutely no sense.
In what universe do competent townies fail to consider the possibility of being wrong?-
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Mathdino Survivor
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In post 122, T-Bone wrote:*goes offline for sleep and work*
*isn't putting in "effort"*
lol
So, does it change anyone's opinion that in the first two instances of this set-up someone always suggests that town lynches the IC for board control?
The best part (and I forgot about this post) is that this is a total misrep.
I didn't say he wasn't putting in effort.
I was responding to others wanting to quicklynch RC by saying that I want way more input from T-Bone and a few others before doing so.
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Empking Empking's Alt's Alt
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The first lynch of the game
RedCoyote (5) - Kaboose, Equinox, Scripten, Belisarius, T-Bone
Pine (1) - RedCoyote
T-Bone (1) - Mathdino
Note Voting:, Pine, vettrock
Five votes to lynch.
(expired on 2014-12-25 09:48:12)Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Empking Empking's Alt's Alt
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So I'm here with RedCoyote, our first contestant. What do you do, Red?
Oh, really? How fascinating, I've never seen it. Well, the aim of the first game is simple. The aim is to take this rope to lasso it over that can of tomato soup over there. Do you think you can do it? Great. No, don't worry we're not monsters we want you to win; the rope has a knot tied on this side, so you don't have to have the special wrist action.
Are you ready?
Set!
Go!
Wait, what's he doing? That won't work. His neck's red, but its too hairy to be a tomato soup can. He's choking! He's stopped.
Red Coyote was lynched Day One. He was a Mafia Goon. Night One starts now.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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The best vote count of Day Two so far
Note Voting: Equinox, T-Bone, Belisarius, Kaboose, Mathdino, vettrock, Scripten
Four votes to lynch.
(expired on 2014-12-30 04:54:50)Last edited by Empking on Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:23 am, edited 1 time in total.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Mathdino Survivor
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Belisarius Mafia Scum
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Alas, that is correct.
I kind of want to lynch vettrock and win today, but if I'm wrong, we lose the initiative.
VOTE: Mathdino-
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Kaboose Mafia Scum
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In post 186, Empking wrote:The best vote count of Day Two so far
Note Voting: Equinox, T-Bone, Belisarius, Kaboose, Mathdino, vettrock, Scripten
Fivevotes to lynch.
(expired on 2014-12-30 04:54:50)
@MOD Is it five to lynch or four?-
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Kaboose Mafia Scum
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In post 188, Belisarius wrote:Alas, that is correct.
I kind of want to lynch vettrock and win today, but if I'm wrong, we lose the initiative.
VOTE: Mathdino
Anyone else see a problem with this?-
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Scripten Mafia Scum
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In post 190, Kaboose wrote:In post 188, Belisarius wrote:Alas, that is correct.
I kind of want to lynch vettrock and win today, but if I'm wrong, we lose the initiative.
VOTE: Mathdino
Anyone else see a problem with this?
What kind of problem do you mean? Thinking Vettrock is scum is a pretty understandable position, as is not wanting scum to be able to choose our lynches for us. I can understand the dilemma.-
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Kaboose Mafia Scum
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Belisarius wants to lynch Vettrock for the win. But votes Mathdino... The result either way is the same outcome. If we lynched Vettrock, who apparently is the winning lynch, and they come back town, the final scum would be forced to NK Mathdino for the block. We also don't lose the initiative because either way we end up going for the winning lynch on D3 or blocking to force the D4 finale if our block is town.-
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Belisarius Mafia Scum
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But if vet is town, scum NKs obvTown Mathdino for the block and then we are *forced* to lynch Equinox, also obvTown.
If we lynch Math and I'm wrong about vet, scum NKs him and we are forced to go for Kaboose, who I consider to be significantly more likely to be scum than Equinox.-
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Belisarius Mafia Scum
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Also, as an added bonus, lynching Math puts T-Bone back into the line of fire.-
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Empking Empking's Alt's Alt
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In post 194, Belisarius wrote:Also, as an added bonus, lynching Math puts T-Bone back into the line of fire.
This is wrong. It doesn't put T-Bone back in to the line of fire at all.
X|X|X
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Current board, lynching top right doesn't even get close to T-Bone as a possible lynch at all. If we go your route, and everyone is town assuming, we start D3 like this...
X|X|T
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Why does this board state put T-Bone under fire? We have to block by lynching me now, and that will indeed also be a town lynch. It doesn't put town in any more position to lynch T-Bone anymore than it is right now. Terrible logic.-
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Belisarius Mafia Scum
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Right now, he's invulnerable because lynching him sets up scum to control the board. I think heisscum if vet isn't. That means I need a T on the board on the top row or left columnbefore it's too lateif I want to get him lynched.
If you assume T-Bone scum, RC's actions yesterday make sense. TTT is a solved game, and it's accepted that taking a corner is the optimal move for the player starting. RC had to know that arguing against a corner would rain fire down upon him even if it didn't involve lynching confTown. Why would scum do that? Well, the risk-benefit analysis evens out a bit if town has a 50% chance of hitting scum by lynching a corner even at random, and RC knew that even if he did get lynched, T-Bone would be untouchable for a while. It adds up. RC's not a newbie, he's easily capable of following that logic.
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