Mini 460 - Werewolves! Game over.

[PJ.]

huh? I haven't said anything.

[Korran]

you talking to me or shcis

[PJ.]

Schis.

[Shanba]

Hey. I just got an internet connection back, it died over the weekend. I'm going to start searching for replacements for morik (who never posted in reply to my last prod) and XReyoX (who requested replacement.) I'll also do a vote count when I can get round to it, though I don't think too much has changed on a quick glance around the thread.

[Off the Mark]

whop cares what others think just vote him if you want to.

And I was being nice to you qman.I've made my vote and I'm waiting for the lynch.

OK now I know Korran is new too but these are some seriously scummy posts that I can't overlook. You seem to be rushing the lynch to end the day. And then you play the newb card:

I have no clue what I'm doing.I'm 12

I think Korran sees that schism is getting a free pass (from me at least) because of his newbish behavior and now he is trying to say, "Hey I'm newb too!" Very suspicious to me.

I don't know, maybe I'm jumping at shadows here, what does everyone else think?

[Korran]

I didn't say I'm rushing for the lynch I'm waiting for it because I'm happy with my vote.I don'y want a free pass I just want to have fun and play the game.

[xyzzy]

Alsleet analysis:

vote: xyzzy for having a name that isn't really a word.

Random vote, most likely.

Well, Off the Mark, do you have any other suggestions to get the ball rolling?

Tells OTM to make content, one of the most contentless things that can be said.

Honestly, if he were scum I don't think either him or schismatized would be so blatant about bandwagoning someone so soon with the actual purpose of lynching. And it's been the only thing so far that seems like an effort to benefit the town, so I'm not passing any judgment yet.

Blathers a while and then says he has no opinion.

Like I said, I don't think putting pressure on someone is necessarily scummy. Surely the scum wouldn't be stupid enough to think they could sway everyone to lynch randomly so early. And, as Panzerjager pointed out, in the unlikely even that that does happen, we have a much better idea of who the scum are.

Good point. His first one.

Eh, I don't know, I'm in favor of mass voting at the beginning to spark discussion but definitely not for role claiming. Seems like it would benefit the scum more to know who certain people are for definite as opposed to us only having an idea as to who the scum are.

I almost agree. But this post is giving me weird vibes... OF DOOM

FOS: schismatized

Your play has been almost inexplicably scummy to me on the last three pages. Mainly the fact that you keep going off task to insult someone or change your vote for what looks like a personal reason. Both are anti-town and make it seem not very unlikely that you're scum. I'll give it a little more time before I cast a vote against you though.

"Not unlikely"?

Having the same suspicions as you is scummy? Gee, sorry. I wasn't going to FOS him while citing nothing. THAT would be scummy. Notice my vote isn't even on him either so I'm not bandwagoning or fixing to lynch.

Agreed.

Well, for one thing, you're giving so easily so early in the game. If you were town you'd continue pursuing people and actually giving us logical suspicions. Instead you're just feeling sorry for yourself now and trying to make us feel sorry for you too. It's not helping anyone and it's distracting us from hunting scum.Vote: schismatized

I'm a little worried about his making a general statement about the town, but other than that, I think this is okay.

Town or no town, I'm glad to see a detriment like you go.

NONONONONONONONONONONO.

I can see that, but I don't care. He's not helping us at all by doing what he's doing.

See above.

I really don't think he's town. Of course we should never kill townies but I just want to eliminate anti-town behavior such as what schismatized has been exhibiting.

Contradictory.

I don't care if you find me suspcious, I have nothing to hide. I just find schismatized's behavior so ridiculous and so anti-town that I'll sacrifice diplomacy and subtlety to call him out on it.

Scummy. Everyone should be trying to avoid the town. He sounds like he's trying to say, "Well, I'd be defending myself if I were suspicious, but I'm not defending myself, so I'm not suspicious."

Can you really call schismatized's behavior pro-town? I see scummy behavior from him and I go after it. Personally, I think the suspicion put on me has little merit. All you have is that I bandwagoned schismatized and that I had the same reasons as kaleidoscope. Maybe those were stupid moves, but that's all. Otherwise, I think I've been a pro-town player this game.

Agreed.

Yeah, Holy Crap, we have a lot of inactive people this game. I think, until they post, we oughta back off schismatized.Unvote: schismatized

That's a pretty quick change of opinion.

I realize how bad that looks, and after rereading the game I realized that schis is probably just a really emotional townie. I still don't like his behavior, but if there's someone else who's inactive who could be more scummy than he is then I want to see them post. I forgot to put I still have a major fos:schismatized, but after thinking about it a premature vote would seem to be an unnecessary risk.

See above.

Qman coming at some point.

[Off the Mark]

xyz - so what's your conclusion/summary of AISleet? Your opinion is as valuable to me as your PBPA. (Because it gives us info about you as well)

Scum can slide by quite easily by doing PBPA's to look like they are doing lots of pro-town work. But we need opinions here to base things on once the facts start coming in.

[Off the Mark]

haha and panzer calls me an idiot lol... dude do i really have to say im sorry for you to start playing smart? because it looks like thats what you want. wait what grade is this?

too bad yr town

.

OK here we go again... how do you know this? Whenever someone states an opinion with this much conviction early in the game my scumdar goes nuts. Schism, what's the deal?

[xyzzy]

On the Scumometer (TM), which gives a percentage that the player is scummy 0% being confirmed town and 100% being confirmed scum, I'd give him...

61%. If scummy were a class in school, he barely passes. He might be scum, but he might just be a moran.

[schismatized]

i said that because its obvious he doesnt know what hes doing and he shouldnt be here. i doubt hes scum because he hasnt said a whole lot thats scummy, and ive still got the money on kscope and panzer, maybe even xyz. oh and smart one its moron dumbass.

[bethelmark]

Analysis for Tromboner/K-Scope

OMGUS vote: XreyoX

Day one vote. Nothing to see here, folks. And that's all we get from him.

Now for K-Scope. I've played with Scope before, and I know he's an active, agressive player. Immediately after replacing in, he goes after schis, and then provides some quotes to back up his vote.

He then makes a couple of posts about AlSleet jumping on right after his attack on schis. This post basically sums that up:

I find it scummy you're having the exact same thoughts as me after my post, but then again, relate nothing from what I've posted to your thoughts. It sounds very unrealistic in my eyes.

He continues to have his suspicion on schis, thinking he's scum moreso than desperate town when schis was at lynch -1. Schis posts some response, then K-Scope is "I'm happy with your reply" but "it hasn't changed my opinion".

Scope then attacks schis for WIFOM logic ("all who attack me must be scum").

Scope then, out of nowhere, decides schis is an ignorant townie moreso than scum, and unvotes and jumps to voting on AlSleet.

And...that's all that's there.

Conclusion:

Suspicion on schis was justified; he was the scummiest at that point. However, after schis responded to the accusations and "gave up", it seemed to me that schis was more desperate town than scum. The only thing Scope has done that I find suspicious is switching from schis to AlSleet out of nowhere, when his earlier posts seemed to me like he was sure schis was scum. Overall, I'm getting a neutral read on him. Part of me thinks he's clean, but another part can't get over that all-of-a-sudden switch off of schis.

Analysis for theopor coming later.

I know he's not on my list, but in rereading I couldn't help but notice that Korran has contributed next to nothing. I'm not sure if I'm reading new town or just plain scum here, but it's definitely worth noting.

[PJ.]

Noted. And I'm ont the same page as you on Korran. I almost wnat to lynch him out of per curiosity.

[schismatized]

Noted. And I'm ont the same page as you on Korran. I almost wnat to lynch him out of per curiosity.

thats never a good idea. you lynch someone if you believe they are scum. thats it.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Excuse me for my lurking lately. I'll try to get to this game asap

[schismatized]

okay thanks its good to have you back.

[DeathSauce]

Hey folks, looks like I am replacing Morik.

First order of business is to

unvote

whoever Morik had his vote on.

I've read the thread and have a few notes, just want to do one more -re-read and then I will chime in.

[DeathSauce]

Could we get a vote count?

[Shanba]

Deathsauce indeed replaces Morik. Vote count upcoming

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

4: Alsleet

(theopor_COD, qman, Kscope, OTM)

3: schismatized

(Panerjager, Korran, Xyzzy)

1: Kscope

(XReyoX/replacement)

1: Panzerjager

(schismatized)

Not voting: Bethelmark, Alsleet, Deathsauce

[AlSleet]

Noted. And I'm ont the same page as you on Korran. I almost wnat to lynch him out of per curiosity.

thats never a good idea. you lynch someone if you believe they are scum. thats it.

That same logic was used against me, hence the 4 votes on me. I should probably explain myself. The only explanation for my bad play is that I got overzealous in trying to lynch schismatized. That's it. I got out of hand(much like his behavior) and I lost sight of some other important aspects of the game. I'm not going to play the newb card like some people. The omly reason for my bad play was stupidity and overenthusiasm. That's all there is to it.

[DeathSauce]

To me the real meat of this thread is in pages 5, 6, & 7.

schismatized's breakdown is troubling, but to me comes across as probable frustrated town. Still, resorting to insults and cursing is never good behavior.

AlSleet appears to be the most 'werewolfian' player. His vote on schism was ill-timed and plenty already has been said on using the "anti-town play" excuse so that I don't need to comment on it. OK I changed my mind just now, I will comment on one aspect of it: When he was told that it made a convenient "cover" vote he didn't respond to that point, just continued to shift the focus back onto schism.

xyzzy is also on my radar, mostly due to his questionable page 1 and 2 strategy. I also don't like the interaction between xyzzy and AlSleet. I really don't like AlSleet's joky post in response to xyzzzy's remark about having no access to a computer. It was out of his normal posting pattern in this thread. I guess this is a further indictment of AlSleet moreso than xyzzy, actually, but I felt it was worth commenting on.

In summary, tiny FoSs at xyzzy and schism and

vote:AlSleet

[AlSleet]

To me the real meat of this thread is in pages 5, 6, & 7.

schismatized's breakdown is troubling, but to me comes across as probable frustrated town. Still, resorting to insults and cursing is never good behavior.

AlSleet appears to be the most 'werewolfian' player. His vote on schism was ill-timed and plenty already has been said on using the "anti-town play" excuse so that I don't need to comment on it. OK I changed my mind just now, I will comment on one aspect of it: When he was told that it made a convenient "cover" vote he didn't respond to that point, just continued to shift the focus back onto schism.

xyzzy is also on my radar, mostly due to his questionable page 1 and 2 strategy. I also don't like the interaction between xyzzy and AlSleet. I really don't like AlSleet's joky post in response to xyzzzy's remark about having no access to a computer. It was out of his normal posting pattern in this thread. I guess this is a further indictment of AlSleet moreso than xyzzy, actually, but I felt it was worth commenting on.

In summary, tiny FoSs at xyzzy and schism and

vote:AlSleet

A joke is just a joke, man. I had my vote on xyzzy at the beginning anyway and if I remember correctly he's one of the people who's voting for me now so I don't think there's much of a connection.

And for my vote on schism that I assume you're talking about, yes that had awful timing. But I put my vote on the player I saw as most scummy, it just so happened that its placement would cause to be suspected by everyone. I wasn't trying to blend into the bandwagon obviously and I did retract my vote later when I saw that other people weren't posting. I already explained my actions in regards to schismatized in the last post.

[DeathSauce]

A joke is just a joke, man. I had my vote on xyzzy at the beginning anyway

Scum vote scum on the first page all the time, so that pretty much means nothing.

he's one of the people who's voting for me now so I don't think there's much of a connection.

Well, we'll see if his vote stays on you if a few more votes come along. It was a fairly minor point anyway, I'm not betting the farm on a connection between you two.

I wasn't trying to blend into the bandwagon obviously and I did retract my vote later when I saw that other people weren't posting.

No, you weren't trying to blend in. You were pushing pretty hard for his lynch, in fact. That is one of the things I look for, who is trying to lead the town in a particular direction. Your repeated points about being better off without schism

whether he is town or not

qualify in this regard.

Your second point about retracting your vote is odd. If you believe a player to be a werewolf, you should proably keep your vote on them regardless of what other players are doing.

I already explained my actions in regards to schismatized in the last post.

You offered an explanation, who knows if it's the real one?

[AlSleet]

A joke is just a joke, man. I had my vote on xyzzy at the beginning anyway

Scum vote scum on the first page all the time, so that pretty much means nothing.

he's one of the people who's voting for me now so I don't think there's much of a connection.

Well, we'll see if his vote stays on you if a few more votes come along. It was a fairly minor point anyway, I'm not betting the farm on a connection between you two.

I wasn't trying to blend into the bandwagon obviously and I did retract my vote later when I saw that other people weren't posting.

No, you weren't trying to blend in. You were pushing pretty hard for his lynch, in fact. That is one of the things I look for, who is trying to lead the town in a particular direction. Your repeated points about being better off without schism

whether he is town or not

qualify in this regard.

Your second point about retracting your vote is odd. If you believe a player to be a werewolf, you should proably keep your vote on them regardless of what other players are doing.

I already explained my actions in regards to schismatized in the last post.

You offered an explanation, who knows if it's the real one?

Yes, I do think he is scum, but I personally like to see what everyone else has to say before placing a definitive vote.