Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[Om of the Nom]

because hey at least you're nice and not a cocky fucker pie

[pieguyn]

last post before sleep

I don't think they intentionally killed Jingle. That would be crazy. Prolly he was made to bodyguard the target

~Wis

In this scenario what alignment to you think the person directing her was?

I don't see anything remarkably different between this game's gaiden and last game's gaiden.

@pie jingle town doesnt mean time town. Such a role could also be scum.

you're missing the point

in order for Jingle to be the scum nightkill, they wouldn't have known he wasn't actually an investigative role. if Time was scum, they would have known what abilities Jingle had. then they would have decided to kill notsci over Jingle N1 for some unexplained reason, and then wait until N2 to kill him instead. what's the conclusion?

in this case what's the probability a scum time who controls jingle knows that it's jingle he controls.

Sure... but N1?

Mollie did I really trick you in to claiming masons with me f2f . good times if so ^_^.

@Pie. I didn't really "take a shit" on Mono's read. I offered my own opinion challenging hers or else taking one contrary to hers. I don't believe I should be required to agree with her / subvert my own opinion for hers when I don't see what she sees, and what difference she saw wasn't given as of yet.

one thing I picked up is that Dan was sitting there trying to discredit the townreads on Time when Time claimed. it's basically the same thing I called him out for doing to Gaiden (those posts are included for posterity) - if you look it's basically the same interaction

I suppose it's not entirely implausible he could do this to a partner, but I am taking it as evidence Time is more town than not, similarly to Gaiden

[pieguyn]

<3 Om
but still

[Curiosity]

Good catch, yeah.

beast more likely for 5th

~Wis

[Ankamius]

Oh, I got prodded.

I'll post more when I'm less tired.

Pretty much everything that Time (or aronis now I guess) has posted this entire game has made me want their head more this game.

[pieguyn]

I lied

beast was pushing Dan back on D1. there was also that Alch push for "policy for that mess up" (which Ank attacked) and he also pushed Om. might take a look at his meta re: bussing sometime later

[pieguyn]

or we can lynch Ank for constantly pushing lurkers in spite of the fact I'm pulling up a bunch of evidence to the contrary

[Ankamius]

or we can lynch Ank for constantly pushing lurkers in spite of the fact I'm pulling up a bunch of evidence to the contrary

Because lurkers are exempt from being scummy.

[pieguyn]

lmfao. you are kidding me, right

but if lurkers are not exempt from being scummy, what's your read on beast?

[Ankamius]

Pretty much everything he's said since the beginning of the game has been null.

[Curiosity]

PEdit @beast: Your entire switch is not town. Having early scumreads and pushing them is null. Suddenly dropping them at a hat to push someone for making a mistake for that reasoning, then calling it a 'policy lynch' is too jagged a thought switch. I'm not buying it.

or not

~Wis

[Ankamius]

When we're up to post #5600, #196 counts as the beginning of the game.

[Curiosity]

You still have had reasons to think beast is scum at one point, therefore given you apparently dislike lurkers, you should be wanting beast dead as much as Time.

But you're buddies, so

~Wis

[Ankamius]

Sorry for thinking people who have said scummy things much more recently are more likely to be scum, I guess.

I'm not even primarily scumreading them for lurking anyway.

[Curiosity]

Then why are you scumreading them? What are the scummy things they said recently?

~Wis

[Ankamius]

Saki: tunneled on lynching haj Day 3, never made any stance towards AD, then claimed today and tried to coast on it.
Gaiden: Stance on the neighbors. Tried to push for both beeboy and AD being scum early and then kept on that thought pattern even after being unable to give any believable reason why he believes so.
Time: Awkward defense of AD only to make a half-hearted fake-looking bus vote.

[Curiosity]

bullcrap

Saki: tunneled on lynching haj Day 3, never made any stance towards AD, then claimed today and tried to coast on it.

Lots of people tunneled on lynching haj, and I had predicted that would happen because lolpolicy. It was haj's fault, not anyone else's. Not taking a stance towards AD is not unnatural for someone who isn't really following the game like Saki. I scumread the people who tried to make people believe AD is not scum much more than people who didn't take a stance. His claim has town written all over it so you trying to make that look somehow scummy is terrible.

Gaiden: Stance on the neighbors. Tried to push for both beeboy and AD being scum early and then kept on that thought pattern even after being unable to give any believable reason why he believes so.

It's much more likely that scum would not insist on using such flawed reasoning. Especially when they're in the position they are right now. Bad excuse to "scumread" them.

Time: Awkward defense of AD only to make a half-hearted fake-looking bus vote.

Where is that awkward defense of AD exactly? All he posted was "hey guys, should I vote or defend AD"? And then he voted him because of our guilty, which doesn't seem half-hearted or fake at all.

Did I mention bullcrap? Yeah.

~Wis

[Ankamius]

Pedit: Whats with the excessively large votes?

I don't think I've ever seen Dan play protown though.

[Ankamius]

Yeah, the policy vote angle is terrible. Doing that at the expense of literally everything else is not town. The claim does not excuse scum behavior. At all.

So you don't believe Gaiden is trying to throw shit on and discredit beeboy?

EBWOP: I accidently posted instead of copying over. The last post should go where this line is.

[Curiosity]

lol at you quoting 4109 as if thats a defense

4112 could maaaaybe with some stretch of the fantasy be taken as a defence, but it's more likely an opinion that Dan is always scummy. Doesn't feel awkward anyway.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yeah, the policy vote angle is terrible. Doing that at the expense of literally everything else is not town.

you mean like half the playerlist did? And if I had not strongly rejected to it pre-Jakuzure flip, I bet even more would have taken this angle. Even pie wanted to policy haj initially.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

So you don't believe Gaiden is trying to throw shit on and discredit beeboy?

Not at all. beeboy is conftown and scum have nothing to win from that. Gaiden is just being Gaiden.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Hell, if you're scumreading Saki for that, what do you have to say about Titus?

~Wis

[Ankamius]

My main opinion of Titus this game is that she's being bullheaded, which I've seen from her as both alignments. I'll look again later since what I remember is that she had the same type of opinion as I did on the desperado thing, just a looooooot more vocal about it.

[Curiosity]

Right. So Titus pushed the "mastin is scum because haj fakeclaim" against all reason 100 times more than Saki, yet you don't care about her and care about Saki.

Gooot it, man

~Wis