Robbery! At The Casino (Game Over)

[Formerfish]

I disagree that my activity is indicative of anything. If you look at any of my games, town or scum, you'll see that there are periods where my activity wanes then gets more intense. It usually happens when I find something to dig my teeth into.

I never said that I couldn't post because my partner isn't around, you asked why our count was low, I informed you that my partner has gone missing and that I am busy at work. When I am able I provide content. Sorry for being a little hyperbolic about my posts so far, I didn't realize that you would be looking at my confirmation post as something that I should have provided content in or posts that were quite obviously not mine. I should have been more clear, knowing how literal you will take things I say from now on I will make sure to say what I mean. I don’t necessarily consider dissonance a scumtell, it would really depend on what the subject was that they disagreed on. I think that people can view things through a different lense depending on their experiences and what they know to be true. I think it would also depend on how often the hydra was dissenting. If it is a one time thing then no not indicative, if they are disagreeing on literally every read and line of inquiry then it becomes much more suspect. Why do you ask BBT?

Why is BBT the best of the available options?

Why are you not more concerned about him wanting you dead most?

Saving this for later.

Why is BBT the best of the available options?

Why are you not more concerned about him wanting you dead most?

This is probably one of the dumbest questions anyone has ever asked me.

Why?

I told people I was dumb at this game...

Thank god I didn’t have to wait long for that one.

If you are town, then you should never want to be dead.

Did I miss where Desp said he wanted to die? And there is nothing more glorious and honorable than to fall in battle so that your side will carry the day. There have been games where I actually wanted to die as town because it would show everyone how wrong they have been on their reads and would help narrow down who scum actually was.

VOTE: aronis
Unlike pants. I care if we nolynch and know this will suck.

What do you see being learned from Aroflip?

VOTE: shos

Mod: Please treat our vote as proxied over to Dr. Pants until deadline.

I did this in the last game was in and caught so much shit for it. Why Pants?

Should I vote shos?

I doubt I'll have time to get on be4 dl tomorrow.

Who are you asking and why? Do you have a scum read on shos or is it just a deadline compromise because you obviously won’t vote yourself? At this point I would say no to a shos lynch. Pants I am becoming more ok with based off the information given and his stance on lo lynching.

Vote: Dr. Pants

[Formerfish]

I guess that was sort of jokey.

[Formerfish]

That's your response man? Jesus, can you at least pretend to be town? When have you ever given this little effort when you are going to be lynched?

Are you fucking blind? I already did that.

Mod, replace me in for this slot

Except you have me as town now.

[Formerfish]

In what fucking world would I not be able to claim my role? Are you serious with that shit. You can get right the fuck out of here.

[Formerfish]

fish how come jiffy hasnt modkilled you for basicly quoting your role?

This has got to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen.

[Formerfish]

Desp, why is ika town?

[Formerfish]

Pants was flipped a vt. Scum without access to sample role PMS wouldn't notice anything wrong with that. Those of us with the actual roles should notice that difference. And yes, vt is short for vanilla but I feel like neither of them had a clue what I was getting at because they were fake claiming blind from what was already flipped.

[Formerfish]

You obviously missed the entire point of the last 4 pages.

[Formerfish]

And we do have a PR flip in Egg. We also have PR claims in Titus, Aronis and Ger. And its not what they claimed as much as how they claimed.

[Formerfish]

Pants was flipped a vt. Scum without access to sample role PMS wouldn't notice anything wrong with that. Those of us with the actual roles should notice that difference. And yes, vt is short for vanilla but I feel like neither of them had a clue what I was getting at because they were fake claiming blind from what was already flipped.

... is it so hard to read Ace?

[Formerfish]

Ace, I think its time for you to claim.

[Formerfish]

I'm not going to feel dumb at all. I'll move forward just like you would with a mislynch behind you.

I also feel like this stupid piece of evidence has some teeth to it. If, and that's a big if, you flip town I will reevaluate the situation and move on from there. Until then, well status quo I guess.

[Formerfish]

You have ika as town because you had beck as town. Beck was pushing the hell out of me for a slip that never was. And now his towniness is solidified by the whole vt business? It doesn't add up man, not to a town read and not to you being town.

[Formerfish]

How is it bullshit? If scum didn't have sample pms they are going to go off what they see in thread. In thread they were flipped VT, in my role pm it says something different.

[Formerfish]

My role pm doesnt tell me that I'm a vanilla townie?

[Formerfish]

Does your say vt or vanilla townie?

[Formerfish]

Awesome. So who do you have as scum then Shos?

[Formerfish]

I don't see them in the game shos. Who do you have as scum again? See the pool is getting smaller and smaller if I'm on the wrong track with Desp and Ika. Titus is claimed, Aronis and Get are claimed, and then you have vts in Desp, Ika and myself (assuming I am incorrect about the slip). So POE that shit and give me some reads.

[Formerfish]

you really want me to claim?

Yes. And I want you to be very specific about your role. Unless you want to stall some more.

[Formerfish]

Thats a pretty fair assessment of my position. Added to the fact that your pred had been trying to railroad me over a slip that

actually

never happened.

[Formerfish]

I called him a name, he called for me to replace out. If i replaced out every time I was called a name I would never have a finished game. And if you want to get real with this, he also made a post that would have violated site rules. So fuck off with that noise.

[Formerfish]

Unvote

Until we get this shit straight.

I don't know. Who do you see as scum right now? What were you looking for from Desp?

[Formerfish]

Vote Ace

[Formerfish]

I am putting a lot of faith in you here. Fuck me over and you will face a wrath you have not yet seen.

[Formerfish]

I feel like 3 people have been playing this game at any given time over the last few days, where the fuck is everyone?

[Formerfish]

Ace, I implore you to actually read the reasoning behind why I think that people could be scum based off them claiming vanilla. See it sounds like you still think that the scum read comes solely off the vt claim. Is that accurate? If it is, then you are blind and have missed the entire point of this huge battle between Desp, Ika and myself.

The scum read comes from them claiming vt and not vanilla townie. The fact that you cannot grasp this simple concept baffles me and makes me want to see you dead for, at the very least, nothing more than an apparent inability to understand simple concepts.

[Formerfish]

shos/fish legit question: are you reading?

somoen already asked me that and i already answered it

Yes I am reading. There are a lot of posts here and sometimes things get missed. For instance, I'm not even sure what question you are referring to. And if you already answered it and multiple people are asking again you could always point us to where you answered it, or just, oh I don't know, answer it afuckinggain for us? I get very upset when people are so standoffish about stuff they really don't have to be.

i was choosing to ignore that part, because it is the definition of fucktarded, so I assumed it must be more than that. Apparently it's not and you're just an idiot.

Ace kindly watch your language and use of insults. There are people watching for things like that and issuing warnings for it. I respect your ability to disagree, but if you do it in that fashion again I'll be forced to do things that neither of us will like.

[Formerfish]

If you flip town then we move on in the game. Period. End of story.

You did make it seem like you had an ability and I figured you would come in here and say something about softing a PR to draw the night kill, but you didn't do that.

[Formerfish]

I will say this again. Slower this time to avoid any confusion. My. Vote. Is. Where. I. Would. Like. It. To. Be. I. Am. Not. Going. To. Be. Bullied. Into. Voting. Anyone.

[Formerfish]

Now did I actually call you stupid or are just putting words in my mouth here? And why would you call me tone deaf when you really should have gone with hypocritical? Is it because of your sub par upbringing?

[Formerfish]

Let's just say that I am voting you by way of POE, policy and because I don't like your face.

[Formerfish]

Nati isn't suspect to you? Not really doing too much in the game, vote parking right now with tons of shit going on? And are you saying you don't believe the watcher claim from Titus?

[Formerfish]

Flames where are you at with that catch up?

[Formerfish]

Aro why Desp over say... ika?

[Formerfish]

Flames just jumped way high on my lynch list.

[Formerfish]

maybe b/c anroius knows my shit meta?
maybe b/c we have played before?
maybe b/c hes thinking?

for nati shes alwasy lurkaderp

Maybe you could shut the fuck up for a minute when I am not talking to you and let the guy who was asked the question answer first? You want me to vote you, jump into my line of investigation again and I will vote you on policy alone.

[Formerfish]

Nati, you have not, but that made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. It could have also been the tasty frosted beverages I am drinking.

And I did see your answer Ika, do I need to comment on everything at once or can I be pissed at you for being a jerk for a second?

[Formerfish]

How does everyone feel about Greyfoxx/Flames? I personally have been having some success with the replace ins who magically don't have time to play the game after replacing in turning out to be scum. Anyone with me?

[Formerfish]

I'm not opposed to lynching Flames, but are you not confident in the scumslip anymore?

I am seeing enough push back on what could be a scum slip to give it a day to simmer.

Apparently busy = scum tell

Misrep. Apparently you are too busy to actually read the thread at all, but not busy enough to not check to see your name being thrown out there.

i could have gotten being grey. flames has done nothing to speak of since.

it's a bit weak tho.

Reading DT and titus's stuff, im scumreading them both. So i'd be more comfortable with a Titus lynch

Do you think Titus is lying about being a watcher?

[Formerfish]

I don't remember that.

[Formerfish]

Whoa... I just thought of something. So say we actually have someone with an ability to watch, and they targeted Egg because they knew that he was most likely to be hit. Titus claims to have watched him, which would explain the fact that they visited Egg, and then floats the idea that there was a ninja so that even if someone else saw them there they would think that there was an unseen scumbag doing the killing all secret like when it was actually them.

Discuss.

[Formerfish]

BBT vote Ace with us.

[Formerfish]

I feel like after a lynch and a night phase this whole thing will work itself out, or we will have a better chance to understand it tomorrow.

[Formerfish]

BBT, I agree with the sentiment there, but I think we should wait for everyone to check in before we make a move. Think about what I was starting to realize yesterday and what I am saying now should make sense.

[Formerfish]

I don't know what to make of it right now, part of the reason that I want everyone to check in so we have more information to digest.

pedit- Que?

[Formerfish]

I know that he is working on a large game right now, anyone remember a mass replace out when his X-Men game was about to start?

[Formerfish]

Both of you put your dicks away for now. We have bigger things to deal with. Titus you know that we are all waiting with bated breath here for you to appear.

[Formerfish]

And 1v1's are always horrible ideas. If he flips town, we lynch you. If he flips scum then we still need to lynch you in case of a bussing situation. So that idea van go straight out the window either way.

[Formerfish]

So you're scum.

Hang now please.

nope still town here. still going to 1v1 your ass

Ika, stop. Between you and BBT you are going to die. So unless that's what you want, just stop.

[Formerfish]

Ika

- So, the two scum-reads you were pushing late D2 are now null reads?

Can you explain please?

i have already told you this before:

I JUST GO BY WHAT FEELS RIGHT MOST OF MY FUCKIGN SHIT GOES BUT GUTS AND WHAT I THINK THERE IS LIKE NO LOGICAL PROCESS BEHIND MY RATIONELS

im going to eat before i get pissed off again

I feel like my play style resembles this, sort of. I get the whole playing by gut mentality, but at some point you need to be able to give us a reason for thinking the way you do. Even if we don't understand it we can try to see why you think something is what it is. Not even giving us a general explanation at any point in time comes off as scum afraid to commit to a read.

Still waiting on Titus, but my vote may very easily land on Ika.

[Formerfish]

We are figuring out they are scum in ways they never imagined being found out for.

[Formerfish]

Titus, get the fuck in here and post!

[Formerfish]

Green how do you feel about Desp's push on Perfect Chaos?

[Formerfish]

How does anyone in here feel about Titus not posting here as of yet today?

[Formerfish]

FYI, if people don't start posting soon more erotic fiction will soon make an appearance.

[Formerfish]

Steve never thought that he would be the type to enjoy some of the kinkier acts that people are into. Whips, chains, masks? Never in a million years did he think that he would ever be interested in trying any of that. As a matter of fact, Steve had always mercilessly mocked anyone who was into something more than missionary. All of that changed one day when he was at the local hardware store looking at materials for hanging some planters at home. Steve looked at some twine and found that it was to flimsy for what he was looking to do. Bungee cords were out. Hooks weren't going to give the planters enough room to grow. Steve looked some more and finally his gaze landed on a length of chain, instantly he knew that using the hooks and chains in conjunction would work perfectly.
Taking the length of chain in his hand Steve felt a jolt from the cold, hard metal. The jolt he felt was one that should never be felt in the middle of a hardware store, surrounded by other men. Steve knew at that moment that all of the mockery he had dished out over the years was only to cover up the deep seeded quarks of his own untapped sexuality. Steve went around the store in a state of semi arousal, letting his fingers run over the different building materials, imagining what he could possibly use them for instead of what they were intended for. After wandering the store for more time than any man should, he found himself standing in front of the ropes. All sizes, and colors were represented and Steve was fascinated. He found himself drawn to the rough, natural thick rope that farmers favored for their versatility and strength. However, his intentions were much less pedestrian. One of the stock boys finally came by and asked if Steve needed any help. Steve asked for a length of rope to be cut for him, indicating that he needed, guessing, about 4 feet. The worker cut the rope and handed it over to Steve, asking he is needed anything else for his project. Steve let the employee know that he was all set, and would just need to check out.
After he payed for the length he walked quickly to his car, barely able to contain himself from touching his rope. Running his fingers across it he instantly became more aroused than he had ever felt by an inanimate object. Driving with little abandon he made his way home. He fumbled with his keys as he put them into the lock, and entered his home. Slamming the door behind him he locked the knob and the deadbolt, with what he had planned he wanted no distractions. Steve took the rope upstairs and into his bedroom, laying it ceremoniously on the bed. He undressed and climbed onto the bed, taking the rope into his hands. He let his hands go up and down the length of rope, feeling the burs and imperfections of the material rub against him.

[Formerfish]

@Mod can you prod Titus?

[Formerfish]

Understandable, but since you claimed to be a PR, do you think you could find time to at least tell us a result for last night?

[Formerfish]

Vote Titus

Your words and activity dont match. You say that you have RL issues going on, but you have been active in other games on site. If you were what you said you are then I can't see how you wouldnt be in here asap telling us what you got from last night. If you want more of my theory ISO me and you will find me going down a rabbit hole, but it might just have been the right rabbit hole.

[Formerfish]

That isn't what I am saying. They are active in other games while they are ignoring this one. They have claimed a PR and I feel like they would, if town, want to come in here and reveal the information they had gained from last night. Also, killing a mason over a watcher doesn't make sense to me.

[Formerfish]

Or they "watched" Egg, and really killed them.

[Formerfish]

Unvote

Forgot about the odd night thing.

[Formerfish]

If Titus is actually a watcher, and can only watch on odd days, I would imagine the Ninja is x-shot. I can't see why they would need to be unlimited if that was the case, also unlimited is a little unfair to us.

[Formerfish]

Let me tell you guys a little tale. This is a story about a fake, a fraud, a charlatan, a trickster and his buddy, the patsy, the framejob, the fall guy. See here is how I could see things going down between Titus (DoubleTrouble) and Green Crayons (Desperado). After night 1 Titus comes in thread and makes an accusation towards Green Crayons saying that they are indirectly indicting them for the night kill based off the fact that they watched Egg that night. Titus misinterprets something that I said, taking it to mean that I was questioning if they actually saw Green make the kill, meaning that I knew that scum had a ninja. Titus realized her mistake and pulled back off of me, but stayed with Green.

My theory here is that Titus faked being a watcher, and added the odd night only into it to buy another day of life before we started in on wifoming why they were still alive. Titus picked a role that would give information and would easily explain why he was seen visiting Egg if there was any other role that could have detected that. I think that Titus implicated Green because they are both scum and this was a way to spread the mist around should either of them die. If Titus died and flipped scum then Green would be cleared based off the accusation. If Green was killed and flipped scum then Titus would be clear based off the fact that he called out scum and was correct. It is a win win scenario here for them.

Since we are willing to give Titus the benefit of the doubt, and he will most likely die tonight, I think that todays lynch should be Green. I am sticking with the idea that Desp would not have interacted with me in the way that he did if he were town. I am asking you guys to trust my judgement on this one.

Vote Green

[Formerfish]

Nope, this is my best attempt to paint a picture of what could be happening in the thread right now based off of assumptions and limited information. We have no real suspects right now, only a lot of conjecture. This will help us figure some things out based off of Greens flip.

[Formerfish]

He's my brother, its deeper than what we've played together. But to answer your question with a number we've played together in 4-5 games alone, and then we've hydra-ed another 6 or 7.

[Formerfish]

I didn't ignore it, it produced what I had hoped it would. His push towards me was baseless and it was something he wouldn't have done as town. The fact that you couldn't make a case with the framework already set up for you means that he was blowing air.

[Formerfish]

And of course it is conjecture at this point. I'm fucking vanilla, so I have no way of getting anything more concrete. This is what makes sense to me right now and what I am rolling with.

[Formerfish]

I am, by 6 years. Desp is who got me into playing mafia, we played on a Gamefaqs sub board for a while, then he came over here, and I followed. I guess if you take into account the Gamefaqs games the number of games played goes up drastically.

[Formerfish]

If you are people should Unvote you and vote Green.

[Formerfish]

Titus, don't take this the wrong way, but you are acting awfully rational so far this game. Where are the accusation of alignment based off the moon being in Mars retrograde?

[Formerfish]

Sorry I get insolent when people wrongly accuse me for stupid reasons.

[Formerfish]

BBT, Green is the right vote for today, it'll gave us way more info than an Ika flip would.

[Formerfish]

Not sure what you are actually asking right here.

[Formerfish]

Who, how do you know about other flavor possibilities? Did I miss something?

[Formerfish]

Why as town would you self hammer?

[Formerfish]

So why don't you reach across the aisle here and help me lynch Green?

[Formerfish]

I've already full claimed.

[Formerfish]

What do we lose with a mass claim? It seems like it would give us areas we could focus on a little more than we are able to now.

[Formerfish]

Also I'll give up three balls if there are 4 scum in a 13 p game.

The joat was also active bulletproof. All I am saying is that it is possible.

I will ISO beck now. If we do massclaim I would feel better if the other mason chose the order.

You know, one of my top 3 arguments to have with people is the idea of probable v. possible. Like in this case, while it is possible that there are 4 scum in the game the probability of that being true are next to none.

So now we have to look at your reasoning for pointing out that there is a possibility of 4 scumbags in the game. Are you trying to fear monger the group into making a rash decision? Are you trying to spread the mist and make town think that scum are everywhere around us? Are you scum trying to sow misinformation and distrust? Are you just out of things to say and felt like you needed to say something, anything, even if it made little to no sense?

[Formerfish]

I've already full claimed.

Reading comprehension is a thing.

[Formerfish]

Where was all the righteous indignation when I pointed out that people slipped by claiming vt instead of vanilla townie? If we are assuming that people are conftown because of a dealer crumb then people would have to be confscum who couldn't claim correctly.

[Formerfish]

So who did you track?

[Formerfish]

Scum commuter is also known as ascetic, so that is a thing. And why would you track Ika?

[Formerfish]

Our PRs are not adding up.

Mason
Mason
Tracker/Watcher
JOAT
Commuter

In a 13 person game this much power seems as likely as having 4 scum.

[Formerfish]

Ika, you have to many scum reads.

[Formerfish]

I'm starting to hate this game. I kinda want to lynch everyone right now.

One of BBT and Titus need rope.
Two of Ika, Shos, Green, and Who need to hang.
I really think it should be Green.

Let's get to it people.

I wish I could narrow it down further, but I just can't at this point. It'd be great if our conftown would play and interact with people so we could try and use that to get reads.

[Formerfish]

I could easily see them hang too. I understand lurking and inactivity to a point, but we are far past that right now and we need everyone participating. I hate the fact that we are in the position we are in and would like to come to a group concensus on where we go from here. We still seem very fragmented and I don't know how to read, interpret or move forward right now.

I know that my views on the game are a little different from everyone else's and that you guys can't see what I see, but until I'm proven wrong those ideas are there. If we did suspend disbelief in my ideas that would put shos, green and ika in the town category. POE from there leaves very few options.

[Formerfish]

I've started this post like 6 times now. I am stuck in circular thinking because a 7 person. Lylo scares the shit out of me. I feel like Nati could be scum, but feel stronger about other people. I would compromise if I had to but I'm still pushing other people first.

[Formerfish]

Who, yes it is possible, but it is one of those possibilities that you don't think about often and when you do you don't vocalize it. Like I'll be at home and wonder what would happen if a plane crashed into my house. Possible? Yes. Probable? No. Worth discussing with my fiancé? Nope.

[Formerfish]

Not saying I disagree with Titus possibly being scum, but how would your mislynch implicate them at all?

[Formerfish]

Suboptimal for whom?

[Formerfish]

scums.

me being a player who love to make so much wifom and so little sense know what i would be doing if i was scum in this situation for the nk.

the fact titus is trying to stop my myslynch is humorous and makes me want to do it all the more

I disagree that not killing Titus would be suboptimal play. I don't feel like going into more detail but I think that idea is objectively false.

[Formerfish]

No, the play is the correct one. We force scums hand to not kill you and weaken the lynch pool. They either kill Titus which clears up any suspicion in that case, kill you to frame Titus (if they actually have a ninja), or kill someone else for the wifom of it all.

[Formerfish]

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[Formerfish]

Were also explaining how Ger could be helpful right now, and why what we are saying makes sense. You guys want to see wifom played pretty well, go look at Messiah Complex in flying aces. That is exactly what we are talking about here.

[Formerfish]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=58512

[Formerfish]

She. And how does her nonsensical ness explain having information she shouldn't have?

Actually, what was that post even referencing shos?

[Formerfish]

Awesome, we have 2 players that will be vla until after deadline. Guys why not replace the fuck out?

[Formerfish]

Its not so much that I care about people going vla, its that I get a little annoyed when multiple people in the same game are on extended vla coming into a deadline.

And Green I'm glad that you took that away from what I was saying, [sarcasm]because that's like totally my point.[/sarcasm]

Fuck it.

Vote Nati

[Formerfish]

I also said Egg could claim for me and we were opposites. I was wrong but that's a hell of a risk Day 1.

What does this even mean? How are you guys opposites?

[Formerfish]

So you thought there were two watcher/trackers that were active on opposite nights? That didn't seem a little excessive, especially considering you are putting forth an unlimited ninja role on the scum side of it?

Did you ever explain why you tracked Ika?

[Formerfish]

On another note, does it bug anyone that the flavor for goon/vt are the same?

[Formerfish]

Shos how do you figure that your crumb solidifies you as town now?

And if Titus doesn't get active in this game she is going to earn my vote more quickly than she should, cause she's scum either way.

[Formerfish]

BBT, why are you ignoring the mountain of circumstantial evidence against Titus right now? Do you think that they really thought that there were 2 watcher/trackers? Do you really think that the scum team has an unlimited ninja that would have ruled either of those roles moot? Why are we excusing their targeting of Ika for a track? They stink of scum and should hang. Nothing they have said since day start has altered that idea.

Vote Titus

[Formerfish]

Well, we have 1 of 2 reasons to look at.

The first is very much because they are scum and have come up with enough wifom to explain why they haven't died. Why would scum kill them, they have an unlimited ninja. How do we know that? Because the person in question has told us that they do. Do we have any proof of it? Well, Titus has watched 2 people and hasn't seen anyone visit them so there must be a ninja. Its circular logic that validates itself.

The second reason is because they are town and scum is smart enough to leave them alive.

I have thought about this, and I have done the same thing as scum before.

[Formerfish]

Titus, I will give a shit about what you say after you flip. Until then keep flapping your gums if you'd like.

[Formerfish]

You've never seen scum ham it up until the end of twilight? Jesus.

[Formerfish]

FF, between this and Harry Potter, you just suck. You have gone 10+ days without voting a scum as town.

Harry Potter? You mean the game where I followed Desp onto Agar, and pushed Mollie against everyone's town read. Get fucked.

[Formerfish]

Shit sorry confused you for the guy tunnelling you in Harry Potter. Deserved that FF.

Noted and forgiven.

[Formerfish]

We could just lynch BBT and have Jiffy go out with a better chance at a town win.

With Titus flipping town, BBT is bound to flip scum.

[Formerfish]

Follow me boys!

Vote BBT

[Formerfish]

Sorry my daughter tried to climb out of the highchair.

[Formerfish]

I am not scum, you are just going to have to believe me on this.

[Formerfish]

Despslot scum would equal you scum as well

[Formerfish]

Right now I am thinking BBT and Dr Who.

Ika, I really dont have the patience to get into another pissing contest with you right now. I do think that there might be some merit to the whole VT thing, but no one else gives a shit about it and it isnt going to matter until after the game is over, so I've resigned myself on that point.

[Formerfish]

I said this already. When Titus flipped town, to me it dropped the probability of BBT being a town PR to 0%.

[Formerfish]

I am more confident in the read based off of setup speculation.

[Formerfish]

The idea that town would have that much power doesnt seem right to me. I thought that the liar was Titus, and I was wrong. To have a joat, 2 masons, a watcher/tracker, and a commuter doesnt add up at all. Scum would need to have one hell of a power base to offset those roles.

[Formerfish]

Commuter allows BBT to avoid not only our JOAT, but our Watcher/tracker. As town it doesnt make sense. I am not willing to go with a weaker read at this point in time.

[Formerfish]

Well, the person I was voting wasn't getting lynched. We had 2 people that were vla through the deadline. Others put forth a decent reason to lynch Nati (reasons that you yourself quoted me saying earlier in the game fwiw). And we were a few days away from deadline. Read my scum games, thats not the way I bus.

[Formerfish]

How does it make me scum to have a vote on you?

[Formerfish]

I am saying that with what has flipped so far a commuter doesnt fit for me.

[Formerfish]

How does it make me scum to have a vote on you?

Because I haven't been lynched yet?

If you're town, that means both scum are in Ika, GC and Who. Which means I would have been hammered and scum would have won given they are all here and posting.

You have to be scum.

Or I am right and you are scum. Different strokes.

[Formerfish]

Or I am right and you are scum. Different strokes.

Given you didn't even realise the situation we were in, I find it hard to see that coming from a town perspective.

The fuck does this mean?

[Formerfish]

GC suspects DR/???
DR suspects BBT/FF (correct me if wrong)
I suspect FF/DR
BBT suspects FF/DR

hmmm even with this updated list there seems to be a lot of FF/DR overlap yet the votes lay elsewhere (looks at FF)

pedit: ya its most likely FF/DR right now but i want to see how this plays out

DR "analysis" on FF looks what i would say "knowledgeable"

So what, I'm supposed to change my vote now based off what other chucklefucks think?

[Formerfish]

Lets play into the flavor for a second. If we are looking at who could have robbed the casino, it would make sense to have inside and outside influences.

[Formerfish]

I know it is lylo. I know that my vote makes a fuck ton of sense to me. If I am sure of someone being scum I am going to vote them. The fact that BBT isn't dead doesnt mean I am scum by a mile. It does point heavily towards his alignment though.

[Formerfish]

So how about the fact that I am not dead yet? By your logic wouldnt that implicate you further?

[Formerfish]

I can't comment on my ignorance when you are being so vague about what situation you are talking about.

And what part do you want me to comment on with the vote count?

[Formerfish]

And you refuse to comment on what situation you keep accusing me of being ignorant of as well.

[Formerfish]

BBT, go fuck yourself.

[Formerfish]

Nati isn't suspect to you? Not really doing too much in the game, vote parking right now with tons of shit going on? And are you saying you don't believe the watcher claim from Titus?

Who, this was actually the quote I was talking about when I said that I had already voiced concerns with Nati that hot brought up again prior to me voting.

[Formerfish]

He said he had stuff going on and wasn't able to keep up. I replaced in because it is a pain in the ass to sign into our hydra account from my phone when I am actively playing other games concurrently.

[Formerfish]

te="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/fo ... ]post 2045, ika"]something is bothering me right now.

who wants to do setup speculations.

Spoiler: random thoughts and facts and crap

what is known:

town:
masons
Joat (was BP with the following: rolecop, doc, roleblock)
watcher/tracker

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scums:
goon
ninja
???

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alive: 2-shot commuter

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whats the chances its scum commuter to counter the Joat?

from setup sepc it all points towards BBT
VCA points towards GC slot (with a near all town wagon at one point irrc)

god im too paranoid by both players now.

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BBT link (or name) me your last scum game, and before you go "dont meta me shit" i dont give a damn about what you think about that, i want to see it anyway.

Fish link me to a town and scum game of yours[/quote]

Scum
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=40262

Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=47464

[Formerfish]

Lynching me will cause there to be no tomorrow. Just saying.

[Formerfish]

GC when are you going to stop fucking lylo up?

[Formerfish]

Lynching me will cause there to be no tomorrow. Just saying.

ok im fine with losing to BBT/GC if thats the case

im going to work first so i will be back in a few hrs but really uo havent done much to try to stop your lynch or anything

What the fuck was I supposed to do? I called the fucking scum team out, while you sat on the sideline eating popcorn and repeatedly mentioning that you wanted to comment but never did, then you went meta diving and failed to disclose your findings.

[Formerfish]

You had no interest in listening to what Ika had noticed during his dive? I was curious.

[Formerfish]

I am going to throw this out there as well. Flames if you come here to check out the aftermath know this, I called you out as scum for being scum.