So this Thor quote from MN1517 reminded me of Thor in this game.
To everyone making comments about how I'm not "driving" like you would normally expect me to be.
Take a look at the wagons at the moment.
Figure out which is, by far, leading.
Then ask yourself which one I started - and if you don't think I started it tell me who did.
Then kindly facepalm yourselves for me.
In post 3647, davesaz wrote:Is dead on the money. I'm no more convinced that GM is town than Thor. Both are obfuscating, and both act annoyed when people question them about it.
please start with the material you're using to read GrayFoxxx and Izariael.
Gray is Town based on my very long interaction with Csareo.
Izariael I'm really not reading either way, that's the Null pile.
Can you point to something from GrayFoxxx which confirms this read? If not that, can you point to something specific from Csareo and explain why it makes that slot town?
I know Izariael is in your null pile. Can you explain the null based on material in the thread? Or explain what's missing?
Barring that,
can you point to anything concrete in the thread to explain any of your reads?
You had
offered
to explain your reads and totally
balked
at the first hurdle.
There is no back up and prove whther or not you could "can you point to anything concrete in the thread to explain any of your reads?"
and then you didn't
...
and instead feigned annoyance as an excuse.
Still not seeing how ignoring Daves question was deserved... or consistent with your claimed desire to leave a legacy 2047
In post 189, Thor665 wrote:To everyone making comments about how I'm not "driving" like you would normally expect me to be.
Take a look at the wagons at the moment.
Figure out which is, by far, leading.
Then ask yourself which one I started - and if you don't think I started it tell me who did.
Then kindly facepalm yourselves for me.
No, you didn't start the Illume wagon. Everyone literally decided to vote Illume for a dumb reason at the same time. It wasn't you leading the wagon and others following you, not at all.
In post 3647, davesaz wrote:Is dead on the money. I'm no more convinced that GM is town than Thor. Both are obfuscating, and both act annoyed when people question them about it.
In post 3647, davesaz wrote:Is dead on the money. I'm no more convinced that GM is town than Thor. Both are obfuscating, and both act annoyed when people question them about it.
and what is your view on the Garmr wagon?
Don't see the reasons.
err. What do you mean?
not see == says you dont see any reasons for Garmr being scum posted in thread.
not see == you say the ones that are posted dont make sense to you.
EBWOP. Players please mentally paste this into the previous post of mine
In post 2855, goodmorning wrote:P-Edit: When I say "concrete," I don't mean running down a list with vague wishy-washiness. Assigning a value to someone is not a concrete stance, it's just a stance. Saying
Garmr
(for instance) is "Townish" -
what does that even mean?
Clearly it means
about as much as all GMs posts on garmr put together.
In post 3631, Thor665 wrote:I'm going to go on record and state that none of those are contradictions.
What are those then ?
The first one is a change of opinion after some major stuff happened as far as the Thor case goes, the second one is either bluster like he said or just indifference, the third one I'm forgetting already off the top of my head and am too lazy to go back and find, but it's not a contradiction either.
In post 3646, Scripten wrote:but [Thor] has a habit of being super opaque and stubborn that bugs me.
I am stubborn - I am not being opaque though. At all.
In post 3650, goodmorning wrote:So this Thor quote from MN1517 reminded me of Thor in this game.
[snip]
No prizes for guessing his alignment there.
So me being attacked for not pushing and noting that I was pushing is like this game where I was not attacked for not pushing?
Okay...?
Here's me in another game;
In post 738, Thor665 wrote:We are down to basically 24 hours to figure a lynch.
Mafia is playing poorly.
Wolf is playing well.
Town is playing meh.
So, pretty much, at this stage we're going for a wolf win.
Huzzah.
I was annoyed at people playing like derps.
What was my alignment there?
You are being an utter derp.
I would support the GM wagon, if people want to get on that - but just due to the utter waste that is the slot. I honestly think Iz is a more questionable player right now.
In post 3647, davesaz wrote:Is dead on the money. I'm no more convinced that GM is town than Thor. Both are obfuscating, and both act annoyed when people question them about it.
and what is your view on the Garmr wagon?
Don't see the reasons.
err. What do you mean?
not see == says you dont see any reasons for Garmr being scum posted in thread.
not see == you say the ones that are posted dont make sense to you.
Thor is very clearly indicating that he found it scummy.
nah more
didn't think about them
because this statement
In post 3601, reinoe wrote:5. Conftown means that the case can't possibly be as scummy as you're trying to portray it as.
is in the present tense and is a claim about now.
Reinoe appears to me to be appealing to the authority of a flipped towny.
Saying the case cant be scum because a flipped towny agreed with with it ...
Hey flipped PereV thought Thor might be scum too, but thats irrelevant as I didnt like his argument either.
Reinoe needs to justify the argument not the people who supported it when they were alive in the game.
I don't need to justify anything to someone who doesn't think about relevant points of the game and casually dismisses the opinion of other players. But I will so that other players can hurry up and vote near obvscum Thor and we can get a lynch on that shit...
I experienced firsthand the things Muffin described...
1)thor's misleading comments
2)thor's effort to try and discredit the person instead of the argument.
3)thor's weird wordplay
Stuff about Axxle...
3) Axxle's misleading WTFuckery. Muffin made a case. Lot's of people agree with it, myself included. Thor tries to claim the case is scum motivated when we know conftown was pushing it.
4) Axxle claims that Thor never called the case scummy which is a lie at worst and an oversight at best. Instead of acknowledging it he just claims he never even thought of it.
So yes I'm going to "appeal to the authority of a townie" because Thor is trying to claim the push on him is scum motivated when it's clearly not. Axxle is willing to lie/overlook relevant points that contradict what thor says in order to defend Thor. Furthermore, Muffin didn't just agree with the case on Thor...Muffin pushed the case hard. Axxle is trying to make it seem like Muffin was on the sidelines saying "oh yeah I agree" which was not the nature of Muffin's push at all.
Scum typically need to fabricate reasons for scumreads...
@Reinoe - just to get in here. You do realize that I wasn't calling his case on me scummy, I was saying that his weird inability to communicate with me was scummy.
He was failing to communicate - I don't care that he was town, he was playing badly and communicating worse.
In post 3661, reinoe wrote:1)thor's misleading comments
2)thor's effort to try and discredit the person instead of the argument.
3)thor's weird wordplay
1. My comment was not misleading - Muffin read it like a derp and then demanded I defend it. Go quote my comment and explain how it's misleading - it is not.
2. You are quoting me attacking his arguments in the very post you make this claim.
3. I am sorry I use words in a weird way?
HOW.
Thor has almost FOUR HUNDRED POSTS. HOW DO YOU NOT HAVE A READ FROM THAT.
he was a town read before But his
push on shiro
makes no sense to me and that jump on iz well that was bad. I'm
rereading
all those four hundread posts
to someone way more important to lynch today, than Axle(me)
and on Axle Garmr claimed to be this sure. 2788 "I'm 85 percent sure you are scum which is why I offered the 1v1."
I don't buy it, maybe not a literal contradicition. It certainly not is towny flow of thought. His latter Thor stance does make sense with his claimed former conviction of Boons > Axle = 85%.
he would have to be suddenly very very sure Thor is scum for that to make sense.
perhaps Garmr also thought i might
go away tonight
In post 3409, goodmorning wrote:Perhaps shot # whichever you aren't gets wise to the fact that there doesn't appear to be any real trajectory in the posts of yours I have bothered to read and you
In post 3083, Thor665 wrote:That said. You did take forever to say anything of worth - and then voted Pere out of the blue with no justification despite making a wall on Anen. That feels wonky to me.
@Reinoe - here is the initial commentary that Muffin took exception to - please explain how it is "misleading"?
In post 3665, AxleGreaser wrote:I don't buy it, maybe not a literal contradicition. It certainly not is towny flow of thought.
Don't argue semantics in a silly way.
It *isn't* a contradiction.
Now, sure, maybe it was an un-towny flow of thought and if someone wants to argue that - more power to them. But I was told it was a contradiction and was pointing out that it wasn't.
In post 3083, Thor665 wrote:That said. You did take forever to say anything of worth - and then
voted Pere out of the blue with no justification
despite making a wall on Anen. That feels wonky to me.
@Reinoe - here is the initial commentary that Muffin took exception to - please explain how it is "misleading"?
Let's even note, the bold is basically the major point made there.
Muffin then came after me with "I ISOed Shiro and the number of times Pere's name comes up in Ctrl+F is 1 more than Anen - so your case is a misrep!"
It was ridiculous for him to say that.
It is ridiculous that I have been having to discuss it with multiple people.
I never said names, I never said anything unclear - I offered a very straight to the point comment and Muffin went full derp on it.
Go ahead, talk me through the horrible confusion of the statement. i want to understand this.
In post 3661, reinoe wrote:4) Axxle claims that Thor never called the case scummy which is a lie at worst and an oversight at best.
Nope i never claimed that, I said your statement was about the present tense.
That is certainly not never.
Even if a flipped towny once at some time pushed Thor on a point, and Thor pushed back thinking how it was being done was scummy.
That is no indication that the rest of the case, as in every other point is not being driven by scum.
They probably are not, all being driven by scum, but at least some of the pushes read as very scummy to me.
See my previous posts for actual reasons the pushes are actually scummy, instead of appeals to flipped towny authority.
In post 3083, Thor665 wrote:That said. You did take forever to say anything of worth - and then
voted Pere out of the blue with no justification
despite making a wall on Anen. That feels wonky to me.
@Reinoe - here is the initial commentary that Muffin took exception to - please explain how it is "misleading"?
Let's even note, the bold is basically the major point made there.
Muffin then came after me with "I ISOed Shiro and the number of times Pere's name comes up in Ctrl+F is 1 more than Anen - so your case is a misrep!"
It was ridiculous for him to say that.
It is ridiculous that I have been having to discuss it with multiple people.
I never said names, I never said anything unclear - I offered a very straight to the point comment and Muffin went full derp on it.
Go ahead, talk me through the horrible confusion of the statement. i want to understand this.
Uhh... no. NO NO NO! You are directly omitting some posts, and it is definitely not what happened. Here, let me help you (WITH TRUE FACTS):
In post 3083, Thor665 wrote:I'm mixing you up with someone else in my head, clearly.
That said. You did take forever to say anything of worth - and then voted Pere out of the blue with no justification despite making a wall on Anen. That feels wonky to me.
In other words, you can't think of someone you can pin it on?
@Muffin - no, actually, there isn't a misrep there. Look at how many thoughts were posted about Anen. Then look at the same for Pere. Then look at the vote. That reads legit to you?
Prior to #2558, instances of "pere" in Shiro's ISO: 8
instances of "anen" in Shiro's ISO for the same period: 7
Seems like a misrep to me, bud. Flow of Shiro's thoughts are evident to me, and seem reasonable for someone w a town mindset.
You're doing a really bad job selling Shiroscum.
Followed by the ensuing discussion between Thor and Muffin. Once again, Thor is contorting facts to fit his side of the issue.
In post 3665, AxleGreaser wrote:I don't buy it, maybe not a literal contradicition. It certainly not is towny flow of thought.
Don't argue semantics in a silly way.
It *isn't* a contradiction.
Now, sure, maybe it was an un-towny flow of thought and if someone wants to argue that - more power to them. But I was told it was a contradiction and was pointing out that it wasn't.
most of us are bad with words. (our bad, see previous muffin argument)
I find there to be contradiction, in that I cant put both thoughts(old stance on Thor vs new) in one townies mind.
Where Contradiction means : "direct opposition between things compared; inconsistency."
The later GarmrThought(thor needs to go first) is inconsistent with Null town read + Shiro push + re-read is now
as i just cant get them to add up to Thor > Boon > 85% scum Axle
I find direct opposition between those two thought when I try to imagine one towny having them both
It would be funny if you didnt keep brutally cutting bits out of what i said.
That really does badly misrepresent what i said.
as originally indicated way back before you got excited. I interpreted your claim to be about Thor in the present tense
so I didnt go back and read the whole thread again and check.
I swear I feel dumber every time I read this game. I'm also super angry at myself for being susceptible to having the goalposts moved out from under me, which has happened like three times already. (Example: this happened to Muffin when he pointed out that Thor's version of events was incorrect as Shiro's scumread on Anen was decreasing; Thor responded by moving the posts to the amount of discussion rather than the content of said discussion.)
Can Axle and Thor stop rehashing things? Especially Axle because he keeps having weird conversations with himself which descend more and more into madness each time?
I'd really like to not apathy out of this game, alright? I mean, I respect that causing apathy is helpful to your wincon if you're Scum, but there is literally no easier target for that than me and it's not fairrrrrrrrrr
@dave: And those posts were YESTERDAY, which is kind of THE POINT I WAS MAKING FFS
@Thor: Did I say the situation was the same? No. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Now:
There are 16 non-Thor players alive. Only 4.5 of them care enough about the gamestate to say they townread him (Slandaar, Fonz, Scripten, Axle, Tier [when flipflopping]). He's still alive. He hopes to talk his way out of being lynched. TBQH I'm not so sure he won't. This, too, makes me angry.
You know that thing that people find super scummy? That "hint at a wagon but don't actually push it" thing? THOR IS DOING THAT WITH ME. If this is a thing you treat as a scumtell then you should probably think Thor is Scum.
I'm going to lean on reinoe and Izariael for a bit now til I get my (metaphorical) breath back. By which I mean I'm going to keep their ISOs and mine open in one thread and just pull quotes from the three of us to answer all the stupid fucking rehashed questions that Thor or fucking Slandaar will bring up for the millionth fucking time. And heaven forbid that Fonz actually catch up, because he'll rehash questions by dint of being 20 pages behind.
But not Axle. Not because he won't rehash everything, but because I'm not answering him and it feels INCREDIBLY PLEASANT.
This has been a rambling post because if everyone else can shit up the thread then so can I.