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Mathdino Survivor
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Good, so at least we're on the same page of both being confused. Grib's case, independently and read by itself, is a very valid case. Grib's case at the time, with the information at hand at the time, was a very valid case.
Grib's case with the meta information available now (assuming Scripten's not lying), is much worse.
Again, your read on me is dependent on Grib's case sucking. Of COURSE it sucks in your eyes. I still don't think it does, and I'm not prepared to fully weigh in until I get that info from Scripten.
You'll have to excuse me if I'm still unclear as to what happened between you and Grib. The hypocrisy case involved you voting a townread and saying it was because he was playing antitown, and only afterwards shifting to calling Beck scummy. His concession agrees that you only called him antitown once. It does not say that he concedes the entire point, and I for one don't completely believe your 693 yet. We're arguing about semantics here.
If you find other reasons I'm scum from the rest of my posts, go ahead. But don't take out your "GRIB'S CASE SUCKS OMG" energy out on me. Again, just because you think it's wrong doesn't mean everyone else should.-
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In post 750, Mathdino wrote:Good, so at least we're on the same page of both being confused. Grib's case, independently and read by itself, is a very valid case. Grib's case at the time, with the information at hand at the time, was a very valid case.
Grib's case with the meta information available now (assuming Scripten's not lying), is much worse.
No, you see, this is where my problem lies.
You contradicted yourself, I wasn't confused, I wanted you to explain it. This is your explanation.
Now, I have said NOTHING NEW since Grib's hypocrisy case (585), I merely argued the points he was making by using posts I HAD ALREADY MADE before he presented his case (585, the one you agreed with). These points were already in my ISO and should not have needed my explanation.
You voted me based on this information. I'm saying that if you're going to vote me based off of someone else's case, you better make sure they're presenting a solid case. Everything I have said to refute his case was already present in my ISO, if anybody actually took the time to read it.
In post 750, Mathdino wrote:Again, your read on me is dependent on Grib's case sucking.
No, it isn't. My read on you is based on your opportunistic vote and the ease with which you would have been able to explain this vote if needed. My read on you is based on the fact that you didn't actually check if what Grib was saying was true, you just accepted it to justify voting me.
In post 750, Mathdino wrote:You'll have to excuse me if I'm still unclear as to what happened between you and Grib. The hypocrisy case involved you voting a townread and saying it was because he was playing antitown, and only afterwards shifting to calling Beck scummy. His concession agrees that you only called him antitown once. It does not say that he concedes the entire point, and I for one don't completely believe your 693 yet. We're arguing about semantics here.
I just quoted the posts that clearly show Grib transitioning to the 583 post being the main part of his case and conceding his 585.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Mathdino Survivor
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I feel like you've ignored what I've said, so I guess I'll repeat it.
I'm not not-voting you because of what YOU'VE said. I'm not-voting you because of what Scripten said, which nullifies a good portion of Grib's case.
I did take the time to read it at the time. The case checked out. You seem pretty arrogant to think you already refuted his case before he made it, when 4 players have displayed suspicion on you. Your ISO by itself doesn't refute Grib at all.
I didn't explain much because I don't like to make cases that other people have already made unless I'm trying to interrogate somebody. It makes it look like I'm trying to disguise other's reasoning as my own.
Suppose I'm town and Grib's case actually did convince me. How would you have preferred I voted you? Or is the fact that I made the vote at all what proves I'm scum?-
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Mathdino Survivor
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Check your ISO, jump to the last post you made before this page.
I explained right below it.-
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Wait, so when BBT is asked by two people to give reasons why I'm scum, he suddenly decides he might have been wrong about me? And how the fuck is he reading Majiffy as townier than me? That is so blatantly fake I might break something.
Augh.
God I want to respond so badly. But alas, I have no shits left to give.-
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Mathdino Survivor
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Lynch Majiffy today, untangle this clusterfuck tomorrow. All we need is for you people to actually fathom being on the same wagon. Ideally these two:
In post 683, Beck wrote:Id be OK with jiffu, but I see no reason to let bbt off the hook
In post 711, Scripten wrote:In post 710, Grib wrote:
Please keep in mind that I've been focusing on BBT, and if I were scum, I could have very easily switched over to Majiffy's wagon to ensure my survival into toMorrow instead of risking people siding with BBT against me, which I can feel happening like an approaching storm.
Not if Majiffy is your scumbuddy. Why do you think people are about to switch sides?
Continuation of this day is just going to result in BBT artificially inflating the pagecount. I've been ready for day to end for 2 or 3 pages now.-
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Majiffy Go with the Flow
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I just finished up an off-site game that was eating up all my free time. My presence site-wide should return to normal levels.
Lynching me borders from a stupid low-info policy being pushed by dumb townies to a calculated move from scum to silence me.
In post 745, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Here's where I'm at right now;
Town
Scripten
Insanity
Majiffy
Grib
Finn
Pine
Beck
Math
Scum
Vote Beck with me.Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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Svenskt Stål (23:38) majiffy, worst mod on ms? we talk to a surviving victim of his game-
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Beck Jack of All Trades
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Beck isnt scum so...
I'm tempted to vote jiffy but I feel that if script isn't happening, bbt should.
If deadline comes i'll hammer jiffy but if what he is saying is true and he gets his head out of his ass, he could be useful.Beck =/= The band
Beck = a football player
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Hey Majiffy
If you want to look like something other than an active lurker, produce something of value. I've had seriously limited access of late and I've produced way more than you
760 is reducing my hesitancy towards a Majiffy lynch. I don't like a lynch all lurkers policy, but if he's willfully doing nothing, fuck him
Still prefer a Grib lynch. Everything he does or says comes off as desperately seeking "anyone but me""Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Mathdino Survivor
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Guys, I hate to use this as a reason, but if we all vote our top scumreads we'll have 4 different wagons and no lynch.
BBT is not happening, already maxed out support for that.
Grib is not happening, most you could get for that is probably 2 or 3 people.
Beck is not happening. The only people who want to vote him are literally the least active players.
I'm pretty sure I'm not happening either.
This discussion is just not feasible anymore. Like Pine said, "We get it.The other guyThat guy over there is scum."
We need more information to continue, and we'll have that by tomorrow. Let's end the day.-
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Majiffy Go with the Flow
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In post 762, Pine wrote:Hey Majiffy
If you want to look like something other than an active lurker, produce something of value. I've had seriously limited access of late and I've produced way more than you
I was busy corralling town to lynch itself in a mountainous game with 24 hour days and no nightkills or nightphases after Day 4.
I dominated, decimated, and feel like a king. So I don't want to hear your shit.Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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Svenskt Stål (23:38) majiffy, worst mod on ms? we talk to a surviving victim of his game-
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In post 763, Mathdino wrote:
We need more information to continue,and we'll have that by tomorrow.Let's end the day.
What information does my lynch give you?Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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Svenskt Stål (23:38) majiffy, worst mod on ms? we talk to a surviving victim of his game-
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Very little. It's why I'd rather you actually produce something to analyze instead of sit there like a lump taking up space. A lump that responds with invective instead of taking the advice that is most likely to get Town back on track"Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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Mathdino Survivor
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Since basically everyone in this game seems to be a suspect, we get the NK flip. We also get whatever Scripten is promising that proves him town.
Your lynch doesn't give us much info, correct, but it's better than a NL and I'm far more comfortable lynching your slot than any of the other 7 players.-
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In post 766, Pine wrote:Very little. It's why I'd rather you actually produce something to analyze instead of sit there like a lump taking up space. A lump that responds with invective instead of taking the advice that is most likely to get Town back on track
Produce something to analyze... Like maybe working on building a wagon on my top scumread, the only other wagon that has more than one vote on it, and should be tied with the leading wagon by the time BBT gets online?
Yeah, you're right, I'm definitely doing nothing here.
In post 767, Mathdino wrote:Since basically everyone in this game seems to be a suspect, we get the NK flip. We also get whatever Scripten is promising that proves him town.
Your lynch doesn't give us much info, correct, but it's better than a NL and I'm far more comfortable lynching your slot than any of the other 7 players.
So what you're telling me is you have absolutely no scum reads and no viable reason to be pushing for my lynch with almost 4 full RL days before deadlineOnly playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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In post 768, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'll vote Beck as compromise.
Sit on Beck with me and if Math becomes viable then I'll give you my support.Only playing in games at personal moderator and/or 50%+ playerlist request.
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BlueBloodedToffee Survivor
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Math won't become viable if I change my vote. I'm the only one pushing him.
If everyone reads through our conversation and decides that they don't want to lynch Math, I'll move onto Beck.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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And I'd say 'Hey Grib, I don't like the reasoning that Beck voted me for and I don't like the fact he waited for somebody else to vote me as well before immediately voting me straight after'.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
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