Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[Mathdino]

Good, so at least we're on the same page of both being confused. Grib's case, independently and read by itself, is a very valid case. Grib's case at the time, with the information at hand at the time, was a very valid case.
Grib's case with the meta information available now (assuming Scripten's not lying), is much worse.

Again, your read on me is dependent on Grib's case sucking. Of COURSE it sucks in your eyes. I still don't think it does, and I'm not prepared to fully weigh in until I get that info from Scripten.

You'll have to excuse me if I'm still unclear as to what happened between you and Grib. The hypocrisy case involved you voting a townread and saying it was because he was playing antitown, and only afterwards shifting to calling Beck scummy. His concession agrees that you only called him antitown once. It does not say that he concedes the entire point, and I for one don't completely believe your 693 yet. We're arguing about semantics here.

If you find other reasons I'm scum from the rest of my posts, go ahead. But don't take out your "GRIB'S CASE SUCKS OMG" energy out on me. Again, just because you think it's wrong doesn't mean everyone else should.

[Beck]

Damn y'all were busy on halloween, got a busy day so won't be able to read up til tonight

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Good, so at least we're on the same page of both being confused. Grib's case, independently and read by itself, is a very valid case. Grib's case at the time, with the information at hand at the time, was a very valid case.
Grib's case with the meta information available now (assuming Scripten's not lying), is much worse.

No, you see, this is where my problem lies.

You contradicted yourself, I wasn't confused, I wanted you to explain it. This is your explanation.

Now, I have said NOTHING NEW since Grib's hypocrisy case (585), I merely argued the points he was making by using posts I HAD ALREADY MADE before he presented his case (585, the one you agreed with). These points were already in my ISO and should not have needed my explanation.

You voted me based on this information. I'm saying that if you're going to vote me based off of someone else's case, you better make sure they're presenting a solid case. Everything I have said to refute his case was already present in my ISO, if anybody actually took the time to read it.

Again, your read on me is dependent on Grib's case sucking.

No, it isn't. My read on you is based on your opportunistic vote and the ease with which you would have been able to explain this vote if needed. My read on you is based on the fact that you didn't actually check if what Grib was saying was true, you just accepted it to justify voting me.

You'll have to excuse me if I'm still unclear as to what happened between you and Grib. The hypocrisy case involved you voting a townread and saying it was because he was playing antitown, and only afterwards shifting to calling Beck scummy. His concession agrees that you only called him antitown once. It does not say that he concedes the entire point, and I for one don't completely believe your 693 yet. We're arguing about semantics here.

I just quoted the posts that clearly show Grib transitioning to the 583 post being the main part of his case and conceding his 585.

[Mathdino]

I feel like you've ignored what I've said, so I guess I'll repeat it.
I'm not not-voting you because of what YOU'VE said. I'm not-voting you because of what Scripten said, which nullifies a good portion of Grib's case.

I did take the time to read it at the time. The case checked out. You seem pretty arrogant to think you already refuted his case before he made it, when 4 players have displayed suspicion on you. Your ISO by itself doesn't refute Grib at all.

I didn't explain much because I don't like to make cases that other people have already made unless I'm trying to interrogate somebody. It makes it look like I'm trying to disguise other's reasoning as my own.

Suppose I'm town and Grib's case actually did convince me. How would you have preferred I voted you? Or is the fact that I made the vote at all what proves I'm scum?

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE COUNT - 1.13

Scripten-

BlueBloodedToffee-

Beck

Grib-

Pine

Beck-

FinnLaw, Majiffy

Pine-

FinnLaw-

Majiffy-

insanity018, Mathdino, Grib

Mathdino-

BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting

Scripten

With 9 alive it takes 5 for a lynch and 4 for no lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2014-11-05 09:36:00)

Grib is on diplomatic v/LA until Tuesday.

[Beck]

Where did the bbt wagon go?

[Mathdino]

Check your ISO, jump to the last post you made before this page.

I explained right below it.

[Grib]

Hey Mathdino, isn't sparring with BBT all kinds of fun?

[Grib]

Wait, so when BBT is asked by two people to give reasons why I'm scum, he suddenly decides he might have been wrong about me? And how the fuck is he reading Majiffy as townier than me? That is so blatantly fake I might break something.

Augh.

God I want to respond so badly. But alas, I have no shits left to give.

[Mathdino]

Lynch Majiffy today, untangle this clusterfuck tomorrow. All we need is for you people to actually fathom being on the same wagon. Ideally these two:

Id be OK with jiffu, but I see no reason to let bbt off the hook

Please keep in mind that I've been focusing on BBT, and if I were scum, I could have very easily switched over to Majiffy's wagon to ensure my survival into toMorrow instead of risking people siding with BBT against me, which I can feel happening like an approaching storm.

Not if Majiffy is your scumbuddy. Why do you think people are about to switch sides?

Continuation of this day is just going to result in BBT artificially inflating the pagecount. I've been ready for day to end for 2 or 3 pages now.

[Majiffy]

I just finished up an off-site game that was eating up all my free time. My presence site-wide should return to normal levels.

Lynching me borders from a stupid low-info policy being pushed by dumb townies to a calculated move from scum to silence me.

Here's where I'm at right now;

Town

Scripten
Insanity
Majiffy
Grib
Finn
Pine

Beck

Math

Scum

Vote Beck with me.

[Beck]

Beck isnt scum so...

I'm tempted to vote jiffy but I feel that if script isn't happening, bbt should.

If deadline comes i'll hammer jiffy but if what he is saying is true and he gets his head out of his ass, he could be useful.

[Pine]

Hey Majiffy

If you want to look like something other than an active lurker, produce something of value. I've had seriously limited access of late and I've produced way more than you

760 is reducing my hesitancy towards a Majiffy lynch. I don't like a lynch all lurkers policy, but if he's willfully doing nothing, fuck him

Still prefer a Grib lynch. Everything he does or says comes off as desperately seeking "anyone but me"

[Mathdino]

Guys, I hate to use this as a reason, but if we all vote our top scumreads we'll have 4 different wagons and no lynch.
BBT is not happening, already maxed out support for that.
Grib is not happening, most you could get for that is probably 2 or 3 people.
Beck is not happening. The only people who want to vote him are literally the least active players.
I'm pretty sure I'm not happening either.

This discussion is just not feasible anymore. Like Pine said, "We get it.

The other guy

That guy over there is scum."
We need more information to continue, and we'll have that by tomorrow. Let's end the day.

[Majiffy]

Hey Majiffy

If you want to look like something other than an active lurker, produce something of value. I've had seriously limited access of late and I've produced way more than you

I was busy corralling town to lynch itself in a mountainous game with 24 hour days and no nightkills or nightphases after Day 4.

I dominated, decimated, and feel like a king. So I don't want to hear your shit.

[Majiffy]

We need more information to continue,

and we'll have that by tomorrow.

Let's end the day.

What information does my lynch give you?

[Pine]

Very little. It's why I'd rather you actually produce something to analyze instead of sit there like a lump taking up space. A lump that responds with invective instead of taking the advice that is most likely to get Town back on track

[Mathdino]

Since basically everyone in this game seems to be a suspect, we get the NK flip. We also get whatever Scripten is promising that proves him town.

Your lynch doesn't give us much info, correct, but it's better than a NL and I'm far more comfortable lynching your slot than any of the other 7 players.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll vote Beck as compromise.

I'd much rather lynch Math though.

Lynching for info is bad. I thought we had been over this.

[Majiffy]

Very little. It's why I'd rather you actually produce something to analyze instead of sit there like a lump taking up space. A lump that responds with invective instead of taking the advice that is most likely to get Town back on track

Produce something to analyze... Like maybe working on building a wagon on my top scumread, the only other wagon that has more than one vote on it, and should be tied with the leading wagon by the time BBT gets online?

Yeah, you're right, I'm definitely doing nothing here.

Since basically everyone in this game seems to be a suspect, we get the NK flip. We also get whatever Scripten is promising that proves him town.

Your lynch doesn't give us much info, correct, but it's better than a NL and I'm far more comfortable lynching your slot than any of the other 7 players.

So what you're telling me is you have absolutely no scum reads and no viable reason to be pushing for my lynch with almost 4 full RL days before deadline

[Majiffy]

I'll vote Beck as compromise.

Sit on Beck with me and if Math becomes viable then I'll give you my support.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Math won't become viable if I change my vote. I'm the only one pushing him.

If everyone reads through our conversation and decides that they don't want to lynch Math, I'll move onto Beck.

[Grib]

Majiffy, if you're too busy to post, it's common courtesy to let us know. And not just as we're about to lynch you.

Pine, answer my question.

[Grib]

If I were paying any attention to BBT, I imagine I'd say something along the lines of:

Hey BBT, I thought Beck was town because scum wouldn't claim VT in this setup.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And I'd say 'Hey Grib, I don't like the reasoning that Beck voted me for and I don't like the fact he waited for somebody else to vote me as well before immediately voting me straight after'.