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Post Post #5150 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:44 am

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In post 5146, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 5144, PeregrineV wrote:We have a Grand Prix coming to town, and I'm thinking of entering it, but haven't been keeping up with standard lately.

Anyone going to it, or have any ideas for standard decks I should play? Not a big blue fan, but can do it if needed.

Already plan on looking at recent events, but it seems this group has some above average players, so would like to hear opinions.

If you're new to the format, I think your best bet is to either try to just have a deck with a solid matchup against everything (Abzan midrange) or a deck that if you win the no hate in sideboards lottery will just take it down (Jeskai combo)

I think jeskai burn is a bad deck for someone who is not very well versed in the format, since its a deck that is very much tuned for specific metagames.

I think you'd be giving up a lot of percentage points if you played it without knowing the expected field beforehand.


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Post Post #5151 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:47 am

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In post 5147, Natirasha wrote:That entire time I lived in Texas, and never once mentioned you lived in the area, PV! I am disappointed :(

Given it's Texas, expect RG monsters and Abzan to be the decks to beat. I know the DFW crowd really loves Stormbreath and Siege Rhino decks, although there will be some Jeskai players.

I actually think the tier 2 decks are strong right now, Sultai/4c Reanimator, Ascendency combo and especially UB control would be the 'meta' decks IMO. Mono Red is a bad idea, I think. I've been wrong before though.


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Post Post #5152 (ISO) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:24 am

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Post Post #5153 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:27 am

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3-0-1 with jeskai again. I love the deck
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Post Post #5154 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:36 am

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I saw a post the other day that a FLGS has banned Jeskai Ascendancy. Why is the card so broken?
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Post Post #5155 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:39 am

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In Modern or Standard? Both enable a real combo deck to exist. In Standard, the combo is using Mana-dork+Retraction Helix+Ascendancy+0-cost Artifact to draw through your entire deck and pump the dork to a hilarious level. Because the looting on Ascendancy is a "May", you eventually mass a boardstate where you can pump your dorks infinitely. You can also immediately kill them by digging to Altar of the Brood and milling their entire deck.
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Post Post #5156 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:42 am

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ASSUMING MODERN FORMAT

Turn one birds of paradise
turn two sylvan caryatid
turn 3 cast jeskai ascendancy. cast 1 mana cantrip (draw 1), unto both mana producers, dig 2 in the deck, discard 1, repeat.

lotsa mana, 50/50 birds, all the cards in your hand.

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Post Post #5157 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:44 am

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Basically, it's part of Wizard's crusade against Combo and especially against eggs style non-interactive combo that takes forever to resolve.
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Post Post #5158 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:45 am

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Wizards didn't ban anything, his LGS did. Sounds like a bunch of whiny players got it house-banned.
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Post Post #5159 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:04 am

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Fair enough. Here's hoping Wizards lets combo be a real thing again, though.
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Post Post #5160 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:10 am

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This is at least a sign that they're willing to try, and so far it seems successful. There's no degenerate Jeskai Ascendancy deck dominating every tournament. So far it seems like the only real mistake card was Treasure Cruise, and even that's just a result of the current meta.
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Post Post #5161 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:13 am

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In post 5159, Sudo_Nym wrote:Fair enough. Here's hoping Wizards lets combo be a real thing again, though.


Given how much MaRo seems to hate anything that isn't midrange and wants to do his best to completely segregate the colour pie (going by recent comments on his blog) I doubt that'll happen.
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Post Post #5162 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:27 am

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In post 5158, bv310 wrote:Wizards didn't ban anything, his LGS did. Sounds like a bunch of whiny players got it house-banned.

Is there a provision allowing tournament hosts do this for sanctioned tournaments?
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Post Post #5163 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:31 am

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In post 5162, Klazam wrote:
In post 5158, bv310 wrote:Wizards didn't ban anything, his LGS did. Sounds like a bunch of whiny players got it house-banned.

Is there a provision allowing tournament hosts do this for sanctioned tournaments?


As I understand it, you couldn't do this at FNM. But you can sanction any format as a casual event I believe (even one you make up yourself).
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Post Post #5164 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:36 am

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Basically what Chamber said. You'd end up sanctioning the tournament as a Casual event, meaning no FNM promos, but you can ban cards that your players don't like.
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Post Post #5165 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:43 am

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Team lost though :(
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Post Post #5167 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:50 am

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Post Post #5168 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:54 am

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2-1; earlier than you'd like to face the Peach Garden Oath
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Post Post #5169 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:38 am

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In post 5161, Knight of Cydonia wrote:
In post 5159, Sudo_Nym wrote:Fair enough. Here's hoping Wizards lets combo be a real thing again, though.


Given how much MaRo seems to hate anything that isn't midrange and wants to do his best to completely segregate the colour pie (going by recent comments on his blog) I doubt that'll happen.


Well, the color pie is an incredibly integral part of Magic. I'm with him on a lot of his color pie comments, although I think a little bleeding is ok. Colors are supposed to have weaknesses.
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Post Post #5170 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:46 am

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I don't mind the color pie being seperate, so long as they're equivalent in power- it's fine if blue gets all the pure draw effects, so long as the other colors get CA generation of equal power.
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Post Post #5171 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:18 am

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I assume if its banning it in Standard its because of a massive negative response to viable combo that some players tend to have.

I don't think ascendancy combo is busted in standard. Seems fine but not overpowered.

It might be broken in Modern, although the results don't really bear that out (delver seems to be the more busted treasure cruise shell)
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Post Post #5172 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:31 am

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It might just be that the deck has a fairly bad delver matchup though.

Also, I would be pretty astonished if this got standard banned. It has less results than even angel of glory's rise combo.
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Post Post #5173 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:41 am

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Man, I miss Glory's Rise combo. That was such a stupid deck.
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Post Post #5174 (ISO) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:03 pm

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If they ban it in modern atm, it would likely be just to keep down a turn 2-3 combo deck, not because its too good atm. With that said, I think it's too good anyway and that it would need to be banned eventually as modern gets bigger.
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