Micro 387: Double Day Unlimited (GAME OVER)

[droog]

I bring up meta (suggests he is scum)

He denies it (also suggests he is scum)

"yes im definitely acting very scummy"
that would be more town?

[ProHawk]

At this point, you might convince me to vote out of Droog and Adrien. So maybe try that?

[Xayzeck]

"yes im definitely acting very scummy"
that would be more town?

nope.

"go ahead, bring up my meta. I think it's useless and ineffective, but if you actually do look at my meta this is my towngame"

that would suggest town

"meta is useless" implies "don't bring up my meta since I'm playing my scummeta and this works greatly against me, and i'm going to say it's useless to dismiss its credibility"

[ProHawk]

Meta has no credibility.

[TheAdrienC]

My scum meta has been used against me as a townie. It's very possible.

[Xayzeck]

Meta has no credibility.

That would be dismissing my entire case over one point, and not even the main point.

[OkaPoka]

I bring up meta (suggests he is scum)

He denies it (also suggests he is scum)

Read flip on rosey, suggests 1v1 for no reason, doesn't let go

General half-assed posting, fluff, brings up games between him and I(this particular point doesn't suggest alignment, because I can't attach an alignment to it, but it's disturbing)

^that's your summary

1. So give me your best meta case with examples

2. Good reasons and good reasons

3. That's me

[TheAdrienC]

I'm still deadset Droog is one.

[ProHawk]

So here is where I am at:

I appealed to Xay to present an option between Adrien/Droog. That never happened which makes me believe he doesn't want to tip the scales one way or another because his lynch is coming down the pike soon. I don't see anything happening from now to deadline, so I am just going to vote.

VOTE: Xayzeck

[Xayzeck]

I appealed to Xay to present an option between Adrien/Droog. That never happened which makes me believe he doesn't want to tip the scales one way or another because his lynch is coming down the pike soon. I don't see anything happening from now to deadline, so I am just going to vote.

I appealed for a case on me, that has never happened either. Oka said people have cased me, I've asked for quotes on these cases, none have been presented. I've asked this playerlist multiple times on why you think I'm scum, none have been presented.

I'd like to ask 2 things:
1. Unvote
2. Share the reasons you think I'm scum, which for some reason nobody has done

I have no particular opinion on Adrien and Droog, though I am leaning toward droog given how his case isn't mega convincing and he was willing to throw a vote in lylo.

[Xayzeck]

1. So give me your best meta case with examples

2. Good reasons and good reasons

3. That's me

Recent RR game

Good reasons for youscum?

No that's not you, we've had towngames where you don't solely fluff and talk with 1 lines, like that game you were tracker.

[Xayzeck]

I appealed to Xay to present an option between Adrien/Droog.

When did this happen, by the way?

[Xayzeck]

I'm still deadset Droog is one.

Why aren't you voting droog?

Why isn't droog voting you?

You've voted each other, nobody has quickhammered. 1 scum is between you and droog, right? I think this is established already.

So why aren't you two crossing?

[ProHawk]

At this point, you might convince me to vote out of Droog and Adrien. So maybe try that?

UNVOTE: Xayzeck

[droog]

I'm still deadset Droog is one.

Why aren't you voting droog?

Why isn't droog voting you?

You've voted each other, nobody has quickhammered. 1 scum is between you and droog, right? I think this is established already.

So why aren't you two crossing?

hm?

i was and then i realized that prohawk not double hammering did not celar him
because there is no double hammering

so i got paranoid because i didnt have the scumteam like i thought
and then i got sucked into work for a week

[droog]

though I am leaning toward droog given how his case isn't mega convincing

please point me to the adrien case you think is better

[Rob14]

Vote Count #2.8 (UNCHANGED):

Not Voting:

Xayzeck, OkaPoka, droog, TheAdrienC, ProHawk

With 5 people alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2014-10-20 18:30:00)

[Xayzeck]

hm?

i was and then i realized that prohawk not double hammering did not celar him
because there is no double hammering

so i got paranoid because i didnt have the scumteam like i thought
and then i got sucked into work for a week

Point being, you voted adrien, and nobody quickhammered.

This should confirm adrien as scum, yes?

[Xayzeck]

@Hawk: I lean droog mainly for his case on adrien. I'm not saying it's a bad case and that it has invalid points, I will say it is a weak case, and not enough to warrant a vote in lylo. That's why I think droog could be scum. I picked up on his case, and it took him a while to respond to it. I've noticed that I haven't replied though, so I'll have to continue with this before I can solidly tell you I prefer droog. I'm assuming you've seen his case, and my response, if not I can link them for you, but basically it outlines the problems I have with his adrien scumread, how it's a fairly weak read, and the fact he was quick to throw out a vote bothers me.

@714:

third question first (the crux of my case)
i told him that noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum
he then went on about how it was pro-town

all scum would notice no daytalk
not every townie would
this is always true and instead of agreeing he argued against something i never said

You told him noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum, that is correct. He goes on to talk about how it's protown. Ok, cool. All scum would notice, not all town would, correct. With all of this, you are implying that noticing daytalk is scum indicative, since scum are more likely to have done so. Unless you said that it's more likely that scum brought it up, but that it isn't indicative of scum? Because that makes absolutely no sense.

Therefore he is arguing that revealing daytalk is town indicative, in order to defend himself. This is the bulk of your case, could you maybe back this up more? Because I don't see what exactly why saying "noticing the daytalk is protown" indicates so strongly he is scum.

What about ignoring your Oka-question strongly indicates scum? I believe the biggest issue you have with this is that he defends himself be saying Oka is not his top scumread. I'd encourage you to go back and look at the question you asked him "share your read on Oka and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread" (something like that) and tell me that there's no way, absolutely 100% no way, that he could have interpreted that as "tell me your read on Oka and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread(which would refer to Oka)". This is in no means scum, and it's not a particularly strong point to have in your case.

[Xayzeck]

At this point, you might convince me to vote out of Droog and Adrien. So maybe try that?

UNVOTE: Xayzeck

What makes me uncomfortable is that you're deliberately forcing me to look away from Oka, my only decent scumread, to decide between droog and adrien just because YOU want to. Any reason you're not entertaining my Oka case? Any reason you've chosen not to substantiate your Oka townread?

Any reason you want me to convince you between droog and adrien? It seems to me like you're doing a "give me a case on droog/adrien, or get lynched".

I'd also like to know, why are you scumreading me at all? This question is for Oka too. Oka, you said people have cased me for scum, I'd like to know, where are these cases?

[Xayzeck]

@714:

third question first (the crux of my case)
i told him that noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum
he then went on about how it was pro-town

all scum would notice no daytalk
not every townie would
this is always true and instead of agreeing he argued against something i never said

I just noticed Oka's actually responded to my case, I'll take a look at it

[Xayzeck]

Derp quote!

Hey Oka, what's your case on me?

[droog]

hm?

i was and then i realized that prohawk not double hammering did not celar him
because there is no double hammering

so i got paranoid because i didnt have the scumteam like i thought
and then i got sucked into work for a week

Point being, you voted adrien, and nobody quickhammered.

This should confirm adrien as scum, yes?

yes. no problem here.
i am interested if you are scum though

if you are the only scum from my perspective
and you are the only scum from adrien's perspective
then you are confirmed scum

this is what im more interested in sussing out
((unless adrien's partner is prohawk))

[droog]

@Hawk: I lean droog mainly for his case on adrien. I'm not saying it's a bad case and that it has invalid points, I will say it is a weak case, and not enough to warrant a vote in lylo. That's why I think droog could be scum. I picked up on his case, and it took him a while to respond to it. I've noticed that I haven't replied though, so I'll have to continue with this before I can solidly tell you I prefer droog. I'm assuming you've seen his case, and my response, if not I can link them for you, but basically it outlines the problems I have with his adrien scumread, how it's a fairly weak read, and the fact he was quick to throw out a vote bothers me.

@714:

third question first (the crux of my case)
i told him that noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum
he then went on about how it was pro-town

all scum would notice no daytalk
not every townie would
this is always true and instead of agreeing he argued against something i never said

You told him noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum, that is correct. He goes on to talk about how it's protown. Ok, cool. All scum would notice, not all town would, correct. With all of this, you are implying that noticing daytalk is scum indicative, since scum are more likely to have done so. Unless you said that it's more likely that scum brought it up, but that it isn't indicative of scum? Because that makes absolutely no sense.

Therefore he is arguing that revealing daytalk is town indicative, in order to defend himself. This is the bulk of your case, could you maybe back this up more? Because I don't see what exactly why saying "noticing the daytalk is protown" indicates so strongly he is scum.

What about ignoring your Oka-question strongly indicates scum? I believe the biggest issue you have with this is that he defends himself be saying Oka is not his top scumread. I'd encourage you to go back and look at the question you asked him "share your read on Oka and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread" (something like that) and tell me that there's no way, absolutely 100% no way, that he could have interpreted that as "tell me your read on Oka and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread(which would refer to Oka)". This is in no means scum, and it's not a particularly strong point to have in your case.

i dont remember a past response so ill take this one

[droog]

You told him noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum, that is correct. He goes on to talk about how it's protown.

Ok, cool. All scum would notice, not all town would, correct. With all of this, you are implying that noticing daytalk is scum indicative, since scum are more likely to have done so. Unless you said that it's more likely that scum brought it up, but that it isn't indicative of scum? Because that makes absolutely no sense.

Therefore he is arguing that revealing daytalk is town indicative, in order to defend himself. This is the bulk of your case, could you maybe back this up more? Because I don't see what exactly why saying "noticing the daytalk is protown" indicates so strongly he is scum.

the bold became the backbone of my case
when i pointed out that he was changing the debate
he said he wasnt, and accused me of lying

That right there was you calling me scum over it. Don't backtrack.

my issue with adrien is not that he thinks his actions are protown
of course he does

"All scum would notice [missing daytalk], not all town would, correct."

this is a factually true thing and adrien could not acknowledge it
he then twists the discussion to talk about how what he did is really protown
in a way manufactured to loudly say 'look at how protown i am!"

mind
he did this when i was asking for his read on oka
which was horribly unclear

he blew it up into an argument
he spun the situation so he could talk about how protown he was
and he started the chain that let him call me a liar

this is why hes scum