Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #3100 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:56 am

In post 3094, FakeGod wrote:Justify yourself, BBT.

What possible information would you gain from watching me fail?

My understanding is that you could've simply told me to avoid those two people. There's nothing wrong with informing me that ahead of time.

Your play this DP is radically different from D1. I wasn't expecting that.

PEdit - Flubber can't have 'real' reads because he's scum.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #3101 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:56 am

You know, Wake, for someone who bills himself as a "truth seeker" you seem to want to let really important things go. Here, let me pose a couple questions to you:

Why is Anatole a failed wagon?

and

Why was Green Crayons nightkilled last night?

We now know that town was leading the Anatole wagon yesterday and, regardless of your read on me, we can objectively say that it was mostly composed of town. So, what went wrong? Why did it go away? Why did Green Crayons die over FakeGod? Even if you didn't think FakeGod was scum, there can be other reasons.

Anatole Kuragin · Post Post #3102 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:57 am

In post 3097, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 3095, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What do you make of Flubber/Boon/Doogal following each other around with their votes D1?

AK

That's a much more time consuming series of ISOs. I'll get back to you.

FakeGod · Post Post #3103 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:57 am

In post 3099, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 3094, FakeGod wrote:Justify yourself, BBT.

What possible information would you gain from watching me fail?

My understanding is that you could've simply told me to avoid those two people. There's nothing wrong with informing me that ahead of time.

BBT is a mason, what good is grilling him on this going to do for town?

It's personal.

I want him to apologize.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #3104 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:57 am

AK, I quoted all VC's and highlighted their votes.

ISO me.

Wake1 · Post Post #3105 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:58 am

FG's possibly engaging in a ploy as Scum to argue and insult a Mason, with the aim of gaining Towncred from said Mason via reverse psychology.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #3106 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:58 am

In post 3096, Wake1 wrote:From my vantage point, and experience, FakeGod is definitely not playing like his usual self. That you seem to not acknowledge this does make me wonder a bit more about your alignment.

How could I possibly know how FakeGod plays as "his usual self"? This is my first game with him.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #3107 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 7:58 am

FG is town.

I think he is genuine in feeling like I have somehow set him up.

Anatole Kuragin · Post Post #3108 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:00 am

In post 3101, TellTaleHeart wrote:You know, Wake, for someone who bills himself as a "truth seeker" you seem to want to let really important things go. Here, let me pose a couple questions to you:
Why is Anatole a failed wagon?
and
Why was Green Crayons nightkilled last night?

We now know that town was leading the Anatole wagon yesterday and, regardless of your read on me, we can objectively say that it was mostly composed of town. So, what went wrong? Why did it go away? Why did Green Crayons die over FakeGod? Even if you didn't think FakeGod was scum, there can be other reasons.

Townies typically want to lynch townies. You've vocally supported lynches on at least one conftown player in this game. Why is it such a foreign concept to you that scum would use that to their advantage to make specific players look bad? In addition to that, GC had reads besides me but you've got tunnel vision and you've ignored everything else going on today because you're so obsessed with my lynch despite having no case aside from "Green Crayons didn't like him."

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #3109 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:01 am

In post 3105, Wake1 wrote:FG's possibly engaging in a ploy as Scum to argue and insult a Mason, with the aim of gaining Towncred from said Mason via reverse psychology.

Alright, that's a theory. What are the reasons?

FakeGod · Post Post #3110 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:01 am

I don't give a damn about getting read as town.

I want your apology, BBT.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #3111 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:02 am

I'm not apologizing. I haven't done anything wrong.

Anatole Kuragin · Post Post #3112 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:02 am

In post 2767, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Spoiler: VCA
In post 437, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.02

BlueBloodedToffee(3)
– TellTaleHeart,
Flubbernugget
, Csareo

Csareo(2)
– BlueBloodedToffee, scrambles

Anatole Kuragin(1)
– GreyICE

Boonskiies(1)
– massive

GreyICE(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

Wake88(1)
– Rambler

Not Voting(4)
–
Boonskiies, Doogal121
, The Rufflig, Wake88

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is on Sunday, September 21, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-21 11:00:00)}

Mod notes:

Let me know if you ever see any errors.

Rambler and GreyIce are being prodded.[/area][/color]

In post 464, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.03

BlueBloodedToffee(3)
– TellTaleHeart,
Flubbernugget
, Csareo

Csareo(3)
– BlueBloodedToffee, scrambles, The Rufflig

Anatole Kuragin(1)
– GreyICE

Boonskiies(1)
– massive

GreyICE(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

Wake88(1)
– Rambler

Not Voting(3)
–
Boonskiies, Doogal121
, Wake88

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is on Sunday, September 21, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-21 11:00:00)}

Mod notes:

Let me know if you ever see any errors.
Rambler did not pick up his prod within 24 hours and therefore is being replaced.[/area][/color]

In post 492, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.04

BlueBloodedToffee(4)
– TellTaleHeart,
Flubbernugget
, Csareo,
Boonskiies

Csareo(3)
– BlueBloodedToffee, scrambles, The Rufflig

Anatole Kuragin(1)
– GreyICE

Boonskiies(1)
– massive

GreyICE(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

Wake88(1)
– Rambler

Not Voting(2)
–
Doogal121
, Wake88

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline is temporarily on hold.

Mod notes:

Let me know if you ever see any errors.
Rambler is being replaced. When Rambler is officially replaced, the initial deadline will be revised and extended.[/area][/color]

In post 594, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.05

BlueBloodedToffee(5)
– TellTaleHeart,
Flubbernugget
, Csareo,
Boonskiies, Doogal121

Boonskiies(2)
– massive, BlueBloodedToffee

Csareo(2)
–scrambles, The Rufflig

Anatole Kuragin(1)
– GreyICE

GreyICE(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

Wake88(1)
– Green Crayons

Not Voting(1)
–Wake88

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

DoctorPepper will tabulate the new, extended deadline shortly.

Mod notes:

Let me know if you ever see any errors.
Green Crayons replaces Rambler, effective immediately. GreyIce has been prodded.[/area][/color]

At this point, all 3 votes sit on me all the way up to VC 1.18

In post 1876, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.18

Boonskiies(4)
–massive, JaggedAppliance, TellTaleHeart, Green Crayons

BlueBloodedToffee(4)
–
Flubbernugget
, Csareo,
Doogal121
, Wake88

Not Voting(5)
– The Rufflig, Anatole Kuragin, FakeGod, BlueBloodedToffee,
Boonskiies

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-28 11:00:00)}

Please let us know if you ever see any errors. [/area][/color]

In post 1925, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.19

Boonskiies(4)
–massive, JaggedAppliance, TellTaleHeart, Green Crayons

BlueBloodedToffee(4)
–
Flubbernugget, Doogal121
, Wake88, Csareo

JaggedAppliance(3)
– FakeGod, The Rufflig,
Boonskiies

Csareo(1)
- BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-28 11:00:00)}

Please let us know if you ever see any errors. [/area][/color]

In post 2023, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.21

JaggedAppliance(5)
– FakeGod, The Rufflig,
Boonskiies, Flubbernugget, Doogal121

TellTaleHeart(4)
- Green Crayons, JaggedAppliance, Csareo, Wake88

Boonskiies(2)
–massive, TellTaleHeart

Csareo(1)
– BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-28 11:00:00)}

Please let us know if you ever see any errors. [/area][/color]

Now all 3 of you sit on JA until his lynch.

In post 2637, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.29

JaggedAppliance(7)
– FakeGod,
Boonskiies, Flubbernugget, Doogal121
, Titus, TellTaleHeart, The Rufflig

Anatole Kuragin(3)
– Green Crayons, BlueBloodedToffee, JaggedAppliance

TellTaleHeart(1)
– Wake88

Boonskiies(1)
– massive

Not Voting(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Tuesday, September 30, 2014, 11:59 PM {(expired on 2014-09-30 23:59:00)}

Please let us know if you ever see any errors. [/area][/color]

Sorry for the big font, thought regular font size would be missed amongst the VC's.

There is something in those voting patterns. It just feels off.

I see what you're saying here now - I think it's unlikely all three are scum, but it does look bad. Maybe 2 of the 3. I think it's also worth noting that TTH was on those wagons with 1-2 others of Boon/Doogal/Flub as much as those three were.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #3113 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:03 am

In post 3108, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Townies typically want to lynch townies. You've vocally supported lynches on at least one conftown player in this game. Why is it such a foreign concept to you that scum would use that to their advantage to make specific players look bad? In addition to that, GC had reads besides me but you've got tunnel vision and you've ignored everything else going on today because you're so obsessed with my lynch despite having no case aside from "Green Crayons didn't like him."

This is categorically false. I've said that one of the sources of doubt on my FakeGod read is that he also stood to gain quite a bit from Green Crayons' demise. Also, since I'm the only one talking about the nightkill at all, I take that as a good indication that scum weren't using this as a frame kill.

Anatole Kuragin · Post Post #3114 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:04 am

BBT - I think there's a good chance Boon is lying still. Let's look through his ISO for holes/contradictions/associations involving Doogal, Flubber, and TTH.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #3115 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:04 am

I agree, it's very unlikely that all 3 are scum. But there is one in there for sure, maybe two.

AK;

Put those three in order of most to least likely scum.

Why would scum claim vengeful?

Anatole Kuragin · Post Post #3116 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:05 am

In post 3113, TellTaleHeart wrote:
In post 3108, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Townies typically want to lynch townies. You've vocally supported lynches on at least one conftown player in this game. Why is it such a foreign concept to you that scum would use that to their advantage to make specific players look bad? In addition to that, GC had reads besides me but you've got tunnel vision and you've ignored everything else going on today because you're so obsessed with my lynch despite having no case aside from "Green Crayons didn't like him."

This is categorically false. I've said that one of the sources of doubt on my FakeGod read is that he also stood to gain quite a bit from Green Crayons' demise. Also, since I'm the only one talking about the nightkill at all, I take that as a good indication that scum weren't using this as a frame kill.

Why would they need to? You haven't dropped it all day and no townies are giving any credence to your theory.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #3117 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:05 am

In post 3112, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 2767, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Spoiler: VCA
In post 437, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.02

BlueBloodedToffee(3)
– TellTaleHeart,
Flubbernugget
, Csareo

Csareo(2)
– BlueBloodedToffee, scrambles

Anatole Kuragin(1)
– GreyICE

Boonskiies(1)
– massive

GreyICE(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

Wake88(1)
– Rambler

Not Voting(4)
–
Boonskiies, Doogal121
, The Rufflig, Wake88

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is on Sunday, September 21, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-21 11:00:00)}

Mod notes:

Let me know if you ever see any errors.

Rambler and GreyIce are being prodded.[/area][/color]

In post 464, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.03

BlueBloodedToffee(3)
– TellTaleHeart,
Flubbernugget
, Csareo

Csareo(3)
– BlueBloodedToffee, scrambles, The Rufflig

Anatole Kuragin(1)
– GreyICE

Boonskiies(1)
– massive

GreyICE(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

Wake88(1)
– Rambler

Not Voting(3)
–
Boonskiies, Doogal121
, Wake88

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is on Sunday, September 21, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-21 11:00:00)}

Mod notes:

Let me know if you ever see any errors.
Rambler did not pick up his prod within 24 hours and therefore is being replaced.[/area][/color]

In post 492, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.04

BlueBloodedToffee(4)
– TellTaleHeart,
Flubbernugget
, Csareo,
Boonskiies

Csareo(3)
– BlueBloodedToffee, scrambles, The Rufflig

Anatole Kuragin(1)
– GreyICE

Boonskiies(1)
– massive

GreyICE(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

Wake88(1)
– Rambler

Not Voting(2)
–
Doogal121
, Wake88

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline is temporarily on hold.

Mod notes:

Let me know if you ever see any errors.
Rambler is being replaced. When Rambler is officially replaced, the initial deadline will be revised and extended.[/area][/color]

In post 594, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.05

BlueBloodedToffee(5)
– TellTaleHeart,
Flubbernugget
, Csareo,
Boonskiies, Doogal121

Boonskiies(2)
– massive, BlueBloodedToffee

Csareo(2)
–scrambles, The Rufflig

Anatole Kuragin(1)
– GreyICE

GreyICE(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

Wake88(1)
– Green Crayons

Not Voting(1)
–Wake88

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

DoctorPepper will tabulate the new, extended deadline shortly.

Mod notes:

Let me know if you ever see any errors.
Green Crayons replaces Rambler, effective immediately. GreyIce has been prodded.[/area][/color]

At this point, all 3 votes sit on me all the way up to VC 1.18

In post 1876, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.18

Boonskiies(4)
–massive, JaggedAppliance, TellTaleHeart, Green Crayons

BlueBloodedToffee(4)
–
Flubbernugget
, Csareo,
Doogal121
, Wake88

Not Voting(5)
– The Rufflig, Anatole Kuragin, FakeGod, BlueBloodedToffee,
Boonskiies

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-28 11:00:00)}

Please let us know if you ever see any errors. [/area][/color]

In post 1925, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.19

Boonskiies(4)
–massive, JaggedAppliance, TellTaleHeart, Green Crayons

BlueBloodedToffee(4)
–
Flubbernugget, Doogal121
, Wake88, Csareo

JaggedAppliance(3)
– FakeGod, The Rufflig,
Boonskiies

Csareo(1)
- BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-28 11:00:00)}

Please let us know if you ever see any errors. [/area][/color]

In post 2023, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.21

JaggedAppliance(5)
– FakeGod, The Rufflig,
Boonskiies, Flubbernugget, Doogal121

TellTaleHeart(4)
- Green Crayons, JaggedAppliance, Csareo, Wake88

Boonskiies(2)
–massive, TellTaleHeart

Csareo(1)
– BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-28 11:00:00)}

Please let us know if you ever see any errors. [/area][/color]

Now all 3 of you sit on JA until his lynch.

In post 2637, Bert wrote:
Vote Count 1.29

JaggedAppliance(7)
– FakeGod,
Boonskiies, Flubbernugget, Doogal121
, Titus, TellTaleHeart, The Rufflig

Anatole Kuragin(3)
– Green Crayons, BlueBloodedToffee, JaggedAppliance

TellTaleHeart(1)
– Wake88

Boonskiies(1)
– massive

Not Voting(1)
– Anatole Kuragin

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Tuesday, September 30, 2014, 11:59 PM {(expired on 2014-09-30 23:59:00)}

Please let us know if you ever see any errors. [/area][/color]

Sorry for the big font, thought regular font size would be missed amongst the VC's.

There is something in those voting patterns. It just feels off.

I see what you're saying here now - I think it's unlikely all three are scum, but it does look bad. Maybe 2 of the 3. I think it's also worth noting that TTH was on those wagons with 1-2 others of Boon/Doogal/Flub as much as those three were.

So, why no vote? Is it because you know there's a vengekill waiting for you at the end of it?

FakeGod · Post Post #3118 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:05 am

In post 3111, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm not apologizing. I haven't done anything wrong.

You knew that I could've lead lynches on those two people.

Yet you asked me to lead, and intentionally didn't inform me of your conditions.

Sure, I may have lead a lynch on someone you agree on, but that didn't happen, and you simply watched me throw my towncred away.

Now I ask you, how did town benefit from this?

Town didn't.

You did this for your own amusement, and I want you to apologize.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #3119 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:07 am

I genuinely didn't do it for amusement.

I really didn't think there was much of a chance of you pursuing massive or Rufflig.

Wake1 · Post Post #3120 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:08 am

In post 3101, TellTaleHeart wrote:You know, Wake, for someone who bills himself as a "truth seeker" you seem to want to let really important things go. Here, let me pose a couple questions to you:
Why is Anatole a failed wagon?
and
Why was Green Crayons nightkilled last night?

We now know that town was leading the Anatole wagon yesterday and, regardless of your read on me, we can objectively say that it was mostly composed of town. So, what went wrong? Why did it go away? Why did Green Crayons die over FakeGod? Even if you didn't think FakeGod was scum, there can be other reasons.

Your attempt to discredit me is noted. You did in this post say that it seems I want to let really important things go. That's dishonest, and you aren't paying attention to the fact that I'm severely constrained by time. You fail to consider that an honest Townie might not have the time to press issues that your yourself think are important. Need I remind you that you yourself haven't seemed much inclined to press any of the issues I've brought up alongside me. I'm patient, though, so we'll see.

As for the last NK issue, I don't understand why GC was killed over you or BBT. GC did not pay much attention to my posts. He apparently ignored most of them. If he made an effort to engage, I might have cared more for what he had to say, and what he did in the game.

At the moment, since BBT declares he will not die tonight, I'm questioning whether or not you're actually Vengeful. I'll have to see how GC reacted in the midst of your votes.

FakeGod · Post Post #3121 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:08 am

In post 3119, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I genuinely didn't do it for amusement.

I really didn't think there was much of a chance of you pursuing massive or Rufflig.

But the possibility was there, and it happened.

If not for amusement, then why did you do it?

Anatole Kuragin · Post Post #3122 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:09 am

In post 3115, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I agree, it's very unlikely that all 3 are scum. But there is one in there for sure, maybe two.

AK;

Put those three in order of most to least likely scum.

Why would scum claim vengeful?

TTH, Flubber, Doogal I think. I need to catch up on my reading though - my Doogal read is from day 1 and I haven't given him a lot of attention because I've been pretty confident in it.

TTH's play just feels really off - from the claim and self-vote, to her immediate vote on a neighbor, to her tunneling, to the way her wagon got to L-5 then dissipated.

A vengeful claim is completely unconfirmable which makes it useful if you can convince people, and the only real way to do that is to offer yourself up as a lynch. It's bold, but it worked if that's the case.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #3123 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:11 am

@FG Because you were competent D1 and I had a strong town-read on you.

PEdit - @AK - Where is Boon in the list? I really can't see scum claiming vengeful, there are better claims.

TellTaleHeart · Post Post #3124 (ISO) » Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:11 am

In post 3116, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Why would they need to? You haven't dropped it all day and no townies are giving any credence to your theory.

For someone who's so seemingly sensitive to being "discredited," you like to ring that bell a lot yourself. You apparently can't take FakeGod's "abuse," but you're proving you no problem dishing it out.

The reason no one's giving credence to it is because I feel like we're still wrapped up in this "let's gather information" mentality when we've already got information that we're just choosing to ignore to pursue other pet theories. Ego is a powerful force.