Mini Normal 1609: The Case Of Doctor Pepper (Game Over)

[Anatole Kuragin]

Doesn't it apply the same for town. Why is he voting everyone who replies to him if he wants to be a helpful and productive townie?

he clearly is not being a helpful and productive townie, but I would make the same case for you, boonskies, rambler, and a few others and I don't think you're scum

[massive]

massive, I'm looking at your ISO right now and your thoughts are extremely difficult to parse.

I see you're still voting Boonskiies. Could you please tell me why?

I am not a vote-mover. You can read some of my other games, I'm sure, and come away with the same conclusion. I'm also not big on sharing my thoughts, and I'm horrible at teamwork, but those (I THINK) is an artifact from being an older player with a long time away from the site, and changes to the overall way the game is played here. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around it.

It strongly indicates (but not for certain) that the other player is of the opposite allignment. Something I became suspicious of, after they voted each other in the beginning.
We will also discover a lot about how this neighborhood works, something TTH ran from answering when asked.

I thought your theory was that we were both scum and fabricating the neighborhood conversation and that Anatole was trying to run interference to cover up the ruse. Now it's that we're actually a different alignment? Why is the story now changing?

Also, I'm not sure what questions about the neighborhood are outstanding. What are they?

You've been asked in two posts. Are you paying attention?

@TTH would you answer these two questions... 1. Is BBT your only neighbor? 2. Do you have day chat. Both of those questions are still outstanding.

She's probably not gonna answer your questions if you aren't answering hers.

[Boonskiies]

And yes, I am town-reading Csareo, whoever asked me that question. I think he's just being picked apart while Wake's gone.

[Wake1]

Does it look like Csareo ignored (386)?

[Csareo]

Does it look like Csareo ignored (386)?

I seemed to think like you , although the anatole vote was a leap in the wrong direction, as I'm starting to discover.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you weren't being pushed right now, would you still support TelltaleHeart as (essentially) a policy lynch?

No. I only want TTH lynched to justify my lynch.

Do you realy think that's a slip and not an ego thing?

Pretty sure it was a slip. Just look at it in the context of his post.

Does that go for the other people you impulsively voted at different points too?

Can you explain the relation of me voting people impulsively to getting frustrated with lurkers?

The wagon is evidentally reactionary. Has BBT voted someone who wasn't pressuring him?
Vote flipping to people who pressure you is the scummiest thing imaginable.

Pretty sure this has already been shown to be false (and it wasn't even by me).

[TellTaleHeart]

Spoiler:

It strongly indicates (but not for certain) that the other player is of the opposite allignment. Something I became suspicious of, after they voted each other in the beginning.
We will also discover a lot about how this neighborhood works, something TTH ran from answering when asked.

I thought your theory was that we were both scum and fabricating the neighborhood conversation and that Anatole was trying to run interference to cover up the ruse. Now it's that we're actually a different alignment? Why is the story now changing?

Also, I'm not sure what questions about the neighborhood are outstanding. What are they?

You've been asked in two posts. Are you paying attention?

@TTH would you answer these two questions... 1. Is BBT your only neighbor? 2. Do you have day chat. Both of those questions are still outstanding.

I missed them the first time. There's no need to be rude.

1. Yes, BBT is my only neighbor.
2. We do not have day chat.

[TellTaleHeart]

I am not a vote-mover. You can read some of my other games, I'm sure, and come away with the same conclusion. I'm also not big on sharing my thoughts, and I'm horrible at teamwork, but those (I THINK) is an artifact from being an older player with a long time away from the site, and changes to the overall way the game is played here. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around it.

That's not really helping me read you, massive.

Anything else?

[The Rufflig]

but what's more alarming is BBT voting everyone who scum reads him, or provides a threat.

Lets go over his voting record then, because I don't see what you are seeing.

In post #8, BBT votes TTH.
(BlueBloodedToffee (0): )
TTH hasn't posted yet. It is possible that BBT is making a pre-emptive strike.

In post #109 BBT votes Anatole Kuragin.
(BlueBloodedToffee (1): TellTaleHeart)
Anatole voted for BBT in post #37 (BlueBloodedToffee (3): TellTaleHeart, GreyICE, Anatole Kuragin). AK explored the possibility that there was scum in the neighborhood. However, he unvoted BBT in post #65. In post #75, AK mentions that he is ok with lynching either TTH or BBT. This is the last thing AK says about BBT before BBT votes AK. AK doesn't appear to be scum reading BBT. AK is simply ok with lynching the neighbors and AK isn't pushing it. AK doesn't appear to be much of a threat, imo.

In post #124 BBT returns his vote to TTH.
(BlueBloodedToffee (2): TellTaleHeart, Dougal121)
TTH hasn't made a post since #62 at this point. You could argue ongoing threat, I suppose. There are only 2 players on BBT though. BBT isn't in serious danger, yet. Everyone is trying to sort the exchange out between the two of them.

In post #155 BBT votes scrambles
(BlueBloodedToffee (2): TellTaleHeart, Dougal121)
scrambles has never mentioned or voted BBT.

In post #261 BBT votes Wake88
(BlueBloodedToffee (4): TellTaleHeart, Dougal121, The Rufflig, Flubbernugget)
Wake88 has mentioned wanting to hyper lynch both BBT and TTH until one of them flips scum. He later refines this down to a vote on TTH (post #118). While Wake88 later explores the possibility of both BBT and TTH being scum together, there is no indication of wanting to lynch BBT first. In post #260, Wake88 voted Anatole Kuragin.

In post #387 BBT votes Csareo
(BlueBloodedToffee (5): TellTaleHeart, Dougal121, The Rufflig, Flubbernugget, Csareo)
I'll admit this vote looks like it was prompted by Csareo's vote on BBT (post #383). However, BBT does have valid grounds for making this vote.

VOTE: Csareo

[Wake1]

I'm having some difficulty reading people. Just read through the whole thread, but I suffer from ADD and can't remember much of it. Not willing to burn through ADD medication or drink gallons of caffeine just to play the game. What works for me is focusing on one target or topic at a time. With respect to DP I'm not going to replace out, and I must use this game as proof of good play in my portfolio. Not being able to focus and therefore remember is hugely annoying and tough to deal with. Going to put some music on, and try to best utilize the strong points of my being in this game.

[Wake1]

Flubbernugget, do you have a current reason why you're voting BBT? If you do, I'd have it please.

[Wake1]

I'm disappointed there's four players with ten or less posts in this game. If you're not going to play, or at least try, then please replace out. It's unfair to everyone hear, and drags down game enjoyment for all.

[Wake1]

*here.

[Csareo]

Not sure I get the case on me. Especially with the mountain of scumminess on BBT.
It's actually to the point of frustrating.

[Bert]

Vote Count 1.03

BlueBloodedToffee(3)

– TellTaleHeart, Flubbernugget, Csareo

Csareo(3)

– BlueBloodedToffee, scrambles, The Rufflig

Anatole Kuragin(1)

– GreyICE

Boonskiies(1)

– massive

GreyICE(1)

– Anatole Kuragin

Wake88(1)

– Rambler

Not Voting(3)

– Boonskiies, Doogal121, Wake88

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is on Sunday, September 21, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-21 11:00:00)}

Mod notes:

Let me know if you ever see any errors.
Rambler did not pick up his prod within 24 hours and therefore is being replaced.[/area]

[Flubbernugget]

Flubbernugget, do you have a current reason why you're voting BBT? If you do, I'd have it please.

Sheeped a shit vote, then grasped at straws with more shit votes until he decided to give up and throw the easiest vote out that he could find.

[Csareo]

Oppurtunistic vote jumping, lack of scum hunting, and the fact that he is more focused on removing threats to himself than hunting scum, is why I'm voting him.

[Boonskiies]

Alright, I said I had the intent to vote, and my mind hasn't been changed.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[Csareo]

Please don't go inactive people. It would help if a few players replace out.

[The Rufflig]

Not sure I get the case on me. Especially with the mountain of scumminess on BBT.
It's actually to the point of frustrating.

I'm not entirely sure why you voted for TTH in post #195, but I suspect it was the grammar/scum slip issue. You will, therefore, not be surprised to learn that reason can be applied to you as well. BBT and scrambles apparently think that you scum slipped by saying "when" instead of "if". Me? My reasons are a bit different.

I'm going to pick it up from #195. In your next post (#294), you reveal that you considered voting BBT, but decided on TTH instead as BBT had too many votes. Post #294, in general, signals that this is a policy vote for the neighbors rather than anything else. That policy vote sentiment is echoed in later posts. So far, no problems.

Post #350: this is the Anatole + BBT + TTH case. I've touched on it before, but I'd like to add a bit more.
"That was literally the scummiest thing I've seen. I'm almost certain it was forged, or details were ommited. The formatting was off, as if someone editted it.
Anyone notice that?" No, I didn't. However, that is grade A, smoking gun evidence (if true). That is not the sort of thing that one just glosses over. If you actually believed it, then I think it would have triggered a vote on BBT. At the very least, you would have pointed out where you think the problem lay. Anyway, statements like that push your view on BBT away from policy lynch.

Post #380. You thought 3 other players were convincing about BBT's guilt, but you were worried about actually lynching BBT. This should not be a concern, if you believe that BBT is scum. You seem more worried about what effect your vote on BBT might have on yourself.

Post #381

The more I think about it, the less I am convinced he is a strong scum read.

BBT and TTH on the other hand, are

, so that's why I'm unvoting.

A flip from either BBT and TTH would reveal a lot as well.

No! You can't go back to policy lynch with a snap of the fingers. Not after what you've already said. Just entertaining this thought once more shows a lack of conviction in your read on BBT. You've said BBT is your scum read. You've stated that BBT and TTH are not scum together. You can not lump TTH in with BBT again! NO!!!

Past here, we get into my more recent posts. Your case on BBT does not hold up. Thus, it appears that you aren't actually analyzing BBT. It appears that you are just making things up to justify your vote on BBT so you can deny having a "me too!" vote on him.

[Csareo]

There's a general rule for lynches are reached.
Someone claims something was done with scum intention.
People agree and decide to vote.

The real question is whether that supposed "scum intention" has evidence behind it, or speculation.
95% of lynches in this game are pure speculation of what someone could be doing, yet there appears to be actual, solid logic for voting BBT. Do what you wish.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, I said I had the intent to vote, and my mind hasn't been changed.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

So you've chosen to completely ignore my 367?

Did you think if you just waited a while I would forget or it wouldn't become relevant anymore?

[Csareo]

Your case on me is weak. Even ruffles case is weak.
It was pretty much "You're scum because you voted X"

[Wake1]

Flubbernugget, do you have a current reason why you're voting BBT? If you do, I'd have it please.

Flubbernugget, do you have a current reason why you're voting BBT? If you do, I'd have it please.

Sheeped a shit vote, then grasped at straws with more shit votes until he decided to give up and throw the easiest vote out that he could find.

Oppurtunistic vote jumping, lack of scum hunting, and the fact that he is more focused on removing threats to himself than hunting scum, is why I'm voting him.

Why'd you answer, Csareo?

My question was pointed at Flubber.

[Flubbernugget]

Hmmm. Good catch Wake. I may be wrong about Csaero. Is he overexplaining as scum or just town looking for attention?