Micro 392: The Assassin has regained control of the village!

[Nikanor]

status update: i have finished my first beer and still do not understand the scripten vs. grayfoxx debate. will check back after second beer.

[Scripten]

^ This man does know how to play mafia. Got myself some Festbier and a night devoid of responsibility. Finally.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Naz read my last few posts if you haven't kept up. Why ask me to repeat my self more than I have.

Sab I have already explained my early reads. ISO me it's there.

[Nikanor]

^ This man does know how to play mafia. Got myself some Festbier and a night devoid of responsibility. Finally.

I'm drinking Boreale (cheap Quebecois red ale). I'd never heard of Festbier but judging by your name and its name I'm assuming it's a German Oktoberfestbier?

I *think* I understand where Grayfoxx is coming from. Gonna doublepost.

[Scripten]

^ This man does know how to play mafia. Got myself some Festbier and a night devoid of responsibility. Finally.

I'm drinking Boreale (cheap Quebecois red ale). I'd never heard of Festbier but judging by your name and its name I'm assuming it's a German Oktoberfestbier?

Delicious malty dark goodness, yep. It tastes just like autumn should.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Script one quick question.let's say you didn't switch stances. Why FoS me for having the same view as you on it? That's really where I am getting lost.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Likewise, this is pretty misrepresentativ of SoS's statement.

He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence.

FoS: Grayfoxx

This please explain this. Then explain how you switched your view to the same as my "misrepresented" one.

Also why did Sab back up Scripts initial misconstrued view? Now he is quiet about it, and wants to harp on early game reads.

[GrayFoxxxx]

His defensiveness makes it more likely that he isn't your partner.

Scripten read it for what I said.

Maybe I should have added in something like Scripten defense seems to be motivated by a town mindset, or something complicated and wordy like that.

Here is where Sab agrees with Scripts incorrect first view. Not really sure what he is saying in the lines after that.

[GrayFoxxxx]

post 219

Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read. This is aweful.

This is SABs quote all this fuss is over by the way.

Script and Sab both said it really meant that I was trying to seem scum while also making Script seem like my scum buddy. I don't even.

Script then changes views yadda yadda

[Nikanor]

The two statements aren't exclusive though, Gray.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Which two.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Wait don't answer that yet I want to hear from them.

[Nikanor]

mk i'll just keep this post open in another tab then.

[SABBATHonSABBATH]

post 219

Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift(NaZ) seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him(Scripten) as scum with his(Greyfoxx's) bestest town read(Sripten). This is aweful.

This is SABs quote all this fuss is over by the way.

Script and Sab both said it really meant that I was trying to seem scum while also making Script seem like my scum buddy. I don't even.

Script then changes views yadda yadda

There is a pronoun error. I've added in some parentheses so that hopefully it will read better. and a shorter edited version
Greyfoxx says that his highest town read is scum buddies with Nazarene. This is awful.

[Maxous]

Greyfoxx says that his highest town read is scum buddies with Nazarene. This is awful.

...why do you keep refusing to adress my #294 + #295?
i'm getting tired of it.

My post about giving town cred to anyone that shot Nikanor was blatently scummy. Nothing was said about me wanting him shot and the scumminess of that in itself. A new reason saying that I wanted a policy lynch was invented.

and regarding this, I didn't say you were pushing a policy lynch, I said you were using the logic of a policy lynch to push a guy as a scum-read.

[Scripten]

Greyfoxx says that his highest town read is scum buddies with Nazarene. This is awful.

This.

This is what your ISO on Naz read like to me. When this got brought up, you misrepresented SoS and, when I called you out on it, you suddenly saw me as scum when you'd literally just been townreading me. I FoS'd you because you did something scummy and, when called on it, you denied that it could possibly have been based in poor logic. Do you not see the inconsistency?

post 219
Script and Sab both said it really meant that I was trying to seem scum while also making Script seem like my scum buddy. I don't even.

Wrong. You are putting two statements, by two different people, into a singular point.

Nobody said you were "trying to seem scum." I said that you may know that Naz is scum due to the way you wrote the ISO post about them. (How would you know this for sure? By being scum yourself.) Then, I said that the reason you would put a hard town read (Me) as a possible scumbuddy would be to implicate me if your partner (Naz) ever got executed and flipped scum.

Now, ENTIRELY SEPARATELY, SoS mused that you looked scummy and that, if you were indeed scum, I might be one of your possible scumbuddies but for the way I responded to your ISO of Naz. I have explained this several times, but you continue to conflate that into the above point.

Now, do you understand? I, frankly, find it hard to believe that you haven't been following along just fine and aren't merely pushing this because it wastes time and further muddies the town's scumhunting waters.

UNVOTE: Nikanor
VOTE: GrayFoxxxx

For posterity.

[Nazarene]

Scripten is not looking very town

Just pointing out that tomorrow could be MyLo if both today's shot and clusk flip town. I highly recommend not shooting clusk, though. That will give us close to zero information to work off.

Mantis, stop being lazy please thx
-Tier

[Scripten]

Scripten is not looking very town

Just pointing out that tomorrow could be MyLo if both today's shot and clusk flip town. I highly recommend not shooting clusk, though. That will give us close to zero information to work off.

Mantis, stop being lazy please thx
-Tier

Is that so?

What changed your mind, then?

[Nazarene]

Script, come out and play.

How do you view grayfoxxxx's changing reads?
Why do you take issue at him attacking the people who attack him?
How do you feel about him antagonising people?
Do you think him misrepping your and SoS's arguments is alignment indicative or indicative of bad reading comprehension?

Answer all, please.

P-edit: hey you posted here have this post in response
-Tier

[Scripten]

Replies in bold.

Script, come out and play.

How do you view grayfoxxxx's changing reads?

It looks to me like he was trying to push a mislynch or link a townie to a later scum flip.

Why do you take issue at him attacking the people who attack him?

I take issue with him scumreading people who are calling him out on faulty logic.

How do you feel about him antagonising people?

I don't think he's being exceptionally antagonistic. Just pushing a bad case in a way I read to be scummy.

Do you think him misrepping your and SoS's arguments is alignment indicative or indicative of bad reading comprehension?

Depends. I don't know how good a player he is, tbh. I read him as a good player at the start of the game, so him misunderstanding our posts to this extent feels forced and fake.

Answer all, please.

P-edit: hey you posted here have this post in response
-Tier

[Nazarene]

Why did you think he was a good player?

[Scripten]

His points in the first few pages seemed pretty solid to me. Most of his reads didn't look too bad until he got to you and our (GF's and my own) reads were -totally- divergent. I had been reading you as null leaning town until the exchange that GF spawned.

[Nazarene]

What do you currently think of nik? SoS?

[Scripten]

What do you currently think of nik? SoS?

Nikanor is feeling more town as we go into the game. I didn't find his play to be particularly compelling at first, and it felt like scum trying to pretend to be a VI/troll to active lurk. SoS I'm on the edge about. On the one hand, they're pushing a case against GF that I agree with. On the other, they've pushed some really crappy points as scumtells. Saying that GF was buddying the king was ridiculous, though they did relent on that point. Also, Nikanor's execute early game was not really a gambit. It broke the rules, but I don't think it's worth bringing up as a case.

[Nazarene]

I've found the case on gray to be particularly boring and based on misunderstandings more than anything, but I'll read it thoroughly now.
Thoughts on max? mantis? Heel while you're at it just gimme all your reads