Open 569 ~ Hope + 1 ~ Game Over!

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/nth + 1

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Three page rvs? Someone either needs to get naked, or fuck shit up via wagon.

VOTE: notscience

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Good Avatars are avatars that I like.
GuyInPie is currently null.
Though I have Pie in the permanent "Paranoia Zone".

And that's why I'm here for, right?
I'm easy as hell to read if you know what to look for.

-C

Maybe it's because I've never played with anyone in this hydra, but something about this doesn't sit right with me.

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Vote: Empress Titus

Let's vote for greater justice.

Yes. Let's continue rvs onto page fucking 6.

VOTE: start

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VOTE: bins

unless I missed some insider quote away.

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Nah. She's derping from the wagon and you know it.

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I'm derping?

I'm derping from NS. It's infectious.
ahhh-choo.

Leads a wagon on a lurker and respond with fluff at him. Um. Yeah.

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Sakura put your vote back on bins please

Ignore tn for today

Okay, I thought I understood why you thought my wagon hop was scummy, but if you genuinely want bins lynched I don't get it anymore.

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Your wagon hop was the bus vote

Ahh. Bussing less than 48 hours into the thread? When I have the perfect opportunity to just hide in the fluff? Seems legit.

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390 has my eye on Team 9 now.

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390 has my eye on Team 9 now.

why?

-Rumia

I have no reads from the threat to replace out. Yours are weak and you've even admitted it. But you still want to give tn room. Meanwhile tn continues on this whole fluff rant while still trying to prove everything is fluff instead of pushing for reads. And the room you're giving him is just making him defensive. Maybe you're onto something, but if you're not, I'm scum reading your defense.

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GIIIIIIFFFF

talk to me about 407. I don't think it's that town. "Maybe you're onto something, but if you're not, I'm scum reading your defense." isn't a natural thought process imo. he also says tn is ranting about fluff but didn't do anything or comment about it while it was going on. he also said all that while he was on the wagon we're on and without voting either us or tn.

I don't think Bins is scum. feel free to move our vote

also I hated Titus' post, but I wanna see how it develops until I'm sure

-Rumia

"Maybe you're onto something, but if you're not, I'm scum reading your defense."

Think of it this way. The players in this hydra probably have a lot more experience with mafia than I do, and that in part makes me want to trust what I'm interpreting to be a gut read. However, my trust is partly an appeal to authority, and weak as a result. So I don't want to get to attached to GIF.

And I'm not sure how not immediately commenting on tn's fluff bullcrap when there's plenty of people already doing that for the town is an issue. Anything I picked out would have just been a circle jerk with you and Sakura.

And I can only vote for one scum read at a time, geez.

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btw I agree with GIF. Sakura is 99% town and anyone who thinks otherwise should just sheep us.

-Rumia

Anyone who disagrees with you should sheep you? :S It's shit like this that makes me think you are scum. You lack anything close to logical consistency.

Sakura is obviously town, but no one should sheep because they DISAGREE.

How seriously do people actually take "hurr durr sheep me" posts?

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Flubber, have you played in any games beyond the newbie game

Embarrassingly so. What's your reason for asking?

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Because I felt like your first reaction to the wagon was to play the cutesy defense instead of trying to convince me it was bad

It was an RVS wagon at the time, why does it matter?

I didn't rvs that wagon.

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@Flub:

why is Bins scum?

Damn dude(s) gimme a minute.

btw bulge you need to get in here, townread me, then get scumread for doing that

k?

ATE. Normally I don't read into things like this but she has such little commitment in her posts it seems like she's trying to use it as a legitimate defense.

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TN, I've frankly skipped your walls. Responding inline is the fastest way to get ignored.

Flubber, have you played in any games beyond the newbie game

Meanwhile,

Bins just flails... (MVP is notscience...)

I'm flailing because I'm fucking confused on why this wagon is still on me and has ony been questioned a little bit.

This is a terrible reason to flail imo. It's not like her wagon was the only thing going on in the game. There's next to no scumhunt in her.

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600 is a little long to quote (and I'm too n00b to figure out post links) but she's finally explaining what she doesn't like about the wagon, mainly that it was rvs. But then why did she start feeling pressure from it?

Like for the first time in a long time, I REALLY WANT TO DEFEND MYSELF. But you guys are seriously not giving me as single thing to defend against.

See my comment on post 600. N00b scum defense.

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2) any town looking from the outside by SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS IS A BAD WAGON
like holy hell how long do i have to wait for my knight to come

Are you scumreading anyone in your wagon?[/quote]

The only reads that made me shake were Varsoon and Flubber. Varsoon's reasoning seemed really off to me and Flubber, well, yknow. But I think Flubber's return was pretty good in response. Still null on Varsoon.

Not really sure how to read Team 9.
Or you.

I think NS is town.[/quote]

No original content from this "scumhunt".

Need more?

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Flubber, have you played any finished games?

One.

I really

really

don't get why you're asking this. It's making me feel like I'm doing something incredibly stupid and am oblivious to it.

[Flubbernugget]

btw bulge you need to get in here, townread me, then get scumread for doing that

k?

ATE. Normally I don't read into things like this but she has such little commitment in her posts it seems like she's trying to use it as a legitimate defense.

If you're reading this as serious AtE, then stop. Bulge and I either hard defend each other or hard push each other because we're so readiable to each other.

Whiteknighting is our thang.

How is this in any way acceptable.

And you've made neither of the push or defense you say you habitually make.

I'm flailing because I'm fucking confused on why this wagon is still on me and has ony been questioned a little bit.

This is a terrible reason to flail imo. It's not like her wagon was the only thing going on in the game. There's next to no scumhunt in her.

1) That's not true.
2) That's not true.
3) I flail when I'm confused all the time (as town).

You need to actually debate point 1 and point 2. I also don't see how point 3 is acceptable.

600 is a little long to quote (and I'm too n00b to figure out post links) but she's finally explaining what she doesn't like about the wagon, mainly that it was rvs. But then why did she start feeling pressure from it?

Like for the first time in a long time, I REALLY WANT TO DEFEND MYSELF. But you guys are seriously not giving me as single thing to defend against.

See my comment on post 600. N00b scum defense.

I really can't believe you're calling me n00bscum. Really? Please explain this more.

I see plenty of things for you to defend against. Like what you defended against in 600. I feel like a newer player would see less to discuss than a more experienced one.

2) any town looking from the outside by SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS IS A BAD WAGON
like holy hell how long do i have to wait for my knight to come

Are you scumreading anyone in your wagon?

The only reads that made me shake were Varsoon and Flubber. Varsoon's reasoning seemed really off to me and Flubber, well, yknow. But I think Flubber's return was pretty good in response. Still null on Varsoon.

Not really sure how to read Team 9.
Or you.

I think NS is town.

No original content from this "scumhunt".

ACTUALLY, Varsoon was my own, original read. And it's honest. I'm not faking originality.

A null read is original, but doesn't need to be well thought out. That's the issue I take with unoriginal reads.

Need more?

Yes.

Too bad.

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I had to hit submit like 6 times before I could actually post that because of all the other incoming posts. Holy fuck nobody told me I signed up for a marathon game.

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Flubber, have you played any finished games?

One.

I really

really

don't get why you're asking this. It's making me feel like I'm doing something incredibly stupid and am oblivious to it.

I like to get in players heads. Link please.

Why do you suppose by a random meta request you ate doing something wrong? Why self-conscious?

http://www.forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopi ... 11&t=58280

I can't really explain my self-consciousness due to ongoing games. If it's still relevant I'll show you when those games end.

After the game you should tell me what you see in my head.

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How is this in any way acceptable.

And you've made neither of the push or defense you say you habitually make.

Do you not make jokes where you're from or do I have to repeat myself?

And has he posted yet?
Uh, no. Why are you expecting this from me like that?

This is a terrible reason to flail imo. It's not like her wagon was the only thing going on in the game. There's next to no scumhunt in her.

1) That's not true.
2) That's not true.
3) I flail when I'm confused all the time (as town).

You need to actually debate point 1 and point 2. I also don't see how point 3 is acceptable.

Because it's meta? Self-meta is cool, yo.

And it's not a terrible reason to "flail", I actually give geniune reactions to the situation around me.
And there is scumhunt in me. I'm proving it now.

I see plenty of things for you to defend against. Like what you defended against in 600. I feel like a newer player would see less to discuss than a more experienced one.

I really don't. Show me something. Other than the original votes and now this, there was nothing. POINT at things.

Please stop using my experience with this game. Thank you.

I don't want to address the other points with quotes because quote tags annoy me.

But anyways, I (and moreso now) have townreads on people that were wagonning me. That's what's important.

Your case really sucks. Try again?

Hey Team9 is this good enough for you?

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How do you townread Flubber who just blanketly fished for approval and admitted that is what he is doing?

Are you talking about 795? Because I just let bins speak for herself with that one.

If you're talking about my self meta post you're going to have to explain.

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How do you townread Flubber who just blanketly fished for approval and admitted that is what he is doing?

Are you talking about 795? Because I just let bins speak for herself with that one.

If you're talking about my self meta post you're going to have to explain.

You looked less like you were trying to build a good case on me, more like you were trying to appease Team 9 with that last comment.

If the scum tells in your last defense of my scum read don't speak for themselves I give up.

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Tn. Gun to your head. Who is the scum team if Sakura is town?

Bulge probably scum.

Flubber maybe scum. You maybe scum.

why the fk

Considering this game so far, laying low is the best plan for scum while everyone else tears each other apart.

I'm V/LA.

How V/LA are you if you managed to catch that from this gargantuan thread?

Other than that, tn, can you explain your reads on me? Your read on bulge shows you're tunneling pretty bad, but I honestly don't know whether to see it as a scum tunnel or town tunnel.

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How do you townread Flubber who just blanketly fished for approval and admitted that is what he is doing?

Are you talking about 795? Because I just let bins speak for herself with that one.

If you're talking about my self meta post you're going to have to explain.

You looked less like you were trying to build a good case on me, more like you were trying to appease Team 9 with that last comment.

If the scum tells in your last defense of my scum read don't speak for themselves I give up.

You give up?

How about "oh, maybe you're actually town."

You're going to look like the full album art I got my avatar from if you don't stop acting so fucking thick.

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eh?

He's tunneling so hard into his tvt I feel like he has to come up with really quick reads for the sake of not having anything other than his back and forth. Either that or my brain went numb through the whole back and forth and I completely missed his reads. I'm gonna have to check my pillow for excessive drool and then get back to you on that one.

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I'm just upset that Flubber doesn't think I can handle the cover of a death metal album.

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Bulge isn't V/LA enough if he can commit beetlejuice tell.

I've seen him on once or twice and wanted to see if I'd get his attention. I did.
I think he's deliberately lurking it out. I don't know what his V/LA status was earlier today though.

I think you're scummy based on your minimizing your contact with others in this game so far. 853, 788, 715; but on the other hand 701 and 753 keep it from being a strong read.
Titus is scummy in every role except Innocent Child.

So you're reading me from posts I can't fully explain and pretty much can't read Titus but don't want to admit it. That's what I see.

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I'm fucking dying you don't even know holy fucking shit

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You're trying to get me to piss people off and now are telling pissed off people to back off?

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Woah. My post actually got through upon hitting submit. I have a feeling this thread is going to end up in a few of our dreams tonight o.O

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I have my reasons.

They're both at least probably scum. I just can't see how start is town.

VI/Troll town? It's too obvious.

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I seriously can't tell if I'm troll reading or scum reading people any more.

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I seriously can't tell if I'm troll reading or scum reading people any more.

What do you mean by troll reading?

Too many people are acting like obv scum to me like some attempt to throw the game.

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This is why if sakura says i'm town, i treat myself as conftown.
if she says i'm scum, you should lynch me. And if i flip town on top of that, lynch sakura.

Quoting this to keep note for d2 association tells.

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OK

People arguing about who is fluffier is like a reverse dick measuring contest with invisible nonfunctioning dicks.

Let's start some content.

SH is town.
notscience is town.
Team 9 is scum.
Bins is scum.

this is where I started to have problems with Titus. the thing that pinged me about this post was the bolded line.

there's hardly any actual content in this post, plus it implicates there wasn't content before, which isn't true. for example, none of the reads were backed up with reasons - if she was going for content here, she could have easily backed up these reads. despite saying she's starting content, she actually isn't doing much to develop content at all.

so this line roughly translates to "look at how town I am, starting content", without actually providing any - it's her positioning herself as a helpful townie who's trying to cut down on fluff and provide content, without actually having any effect on the gamestate.

I alluded to this in a previous post when I mentioned a pattern I was seeing that I didn't like, and that she'd continue doing it if she was scum here. this is the pattern I was talking about: her trying to position herself as a helpful, pro-town townie, while none of her actions actually had legitimate town motivation. p much my entire read until she replaced out was based off this.

Flubber, try to piss someone off. You are far too mellow.

this is the same as the previous post - it's a mostly pointless post that doesn't do anything. again, it reads as scum Titus trying to position herself as a helpful townie, without actually doing anything legitimately town motivated.

Then start with fucking pointed questions. Defeatism helps no one.

same thing - her trying to act helpful and position herself as a town leader, without doing anything legitimately town motivated.

this is especially true bc I'm pretty sure we had (pointlessly) been trying to diffuse Sakura v. tn and failing at it. even coming from Titus, I'd think most people would have realized we had every reason to be defeatist here. thus, the town motivation behind this post doesn't match her words.

Can you both do a 48 hr moratoriym on talking to each other?

same thing - I don't think most people would legitimately think Sakura and tn would actually listen, when faced with a statement like this. not to mention, this came after the massive amount of posts had mostly died down, so from a town POV it's not natural to make a suggestion like this at that point in the game. the best motivation I can think of to post smth like this is, as I said, to position herself as a helpful townie who's trying to lead and organize while not suggesting anything useful.

I'm aware she said she was trying to diffuse Sakura v. tn while it was going on - if she is town, this is true and you can find it exactly where she said to look - however, I wouldn't put it past her to fake that as scum. however, as I said, the timing on this post is different and it doesn't make sense to make a suggestion like this at this particular point in the game.

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I've already said the reason I thought Titus' replace out was town (1396). however, GIF told me the anger behind it was too sudden to come from town, and I admit it's possible she replaced out for other reason and was able to use that as an excuse, so I don't wanna write her off as town based off it.

re: Thesp's post: from what I can tell there's nothing unfakeable in there, but I haven't analyzed it too much.

thoughts?

I see pretty much see all of those points as Titus trying to get reads in a manner she best interprets them. Isn't she known for getting reads based off of the emotions she sees in posts?

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I see pretty much see all of those points as Titus trying to get reads in a manner she best interpres them. Isn't she known for getting reads based off of the emotions she sees in posts?

Does that mean you read Titus as town, or just as not scum?

Can you remind us what your case is on Bins?[/quote]
Can you tell me your read on her? Or at least direct me to it if I missed it?

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To be honest, I hadn't looked. I'm trying to test your confidence in the vote. And you didn't answer the first question, is Titus town, or not scum? There is a difference.

Null. No idea what she was going to do with the information she was trying to gather.

Since you asked, I reviewed Bins. She kept digging at the reasons behind her wagon, long after it was gone and all but 2 had moved on to other votes. That's a pretty clear tell to me, but I'm going to be difficult and ask for your read first.

Minimal active scumhunting.

Weak defenses.

Lots of filler.

That's what it boils down to.

[Flubbernugget]

Well they can't all eat rope at once so.

Though looking at NS I may want a lynch there depending on when he starts feeling better.

[Flubbernugget]

Can we settle on a policy lynch closer to deadline?

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In fact you saying "ha" to that legit PoE scumread means that you are willing to use your contentlessness as your shield which is even more scummy.

No it means I think it's funny you have no scumreads.

Ohhhh this isn't policy after all.

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What I'm saying is you seem like you're saying this for the sake of justifying your scumreads, because you have no real way of backing that up.

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic
Which happened to the scum in this game
Because these 3 are scum

Circular logic is the only logic I can find here.

I don't understand step 3 of that circle.

[Flubbernugget]

What I'm saying is you seem like you're saying this for the sake of justifying your scumreads, because you have no real way of backing that up.

These 3 are scum
Because they are lurky and apathetic
Which happened to the scum in this game
Because these 3 are scum

Circular logic is the only logic I can find here.

I don't understand step 3 of that circle.

That's because step 1/step 2 is flawed.

No. Like "which happened to be scum in this game." Like we already know who the scum are? Fuck, I want to say this is a slip, but its too much gut for me.

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your overdefensiveness is noted though

-Rumia

Unfair IMO.

[Flubbernugget]

How far have you caught up?

Not far, tbh. Hence why I'm just replying to current game matters rather than giving reads etc.

No that one is fair.

[Flubbernugget]

Unfair IMO.

what's unfair about it?

scum who get called out on lurking will generally resort to "I haven't even done anything", or attempt to justify their lurking in advance, which is what he did in the post I quoted - hence me calling him overly defensive. on the other hand, town who lurk don't get defensive about it and try to come up with excuses for it like he did. do you disagree?

-Rumia

Well if he doesn't defend himself isn't ignoring your point just as scummy? I mean we're putting a lot of heat on him. But considering he's resisting letting us know how much of the game he's gone through, I might agree with your point in a few.

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Bins you also come off as more genuine than the people you're accusing of doing the same thing as you. Startfromtheheart for example, just comes off as a really bad troll.

[Flubbernugget]

Bins you also come off as more genuine than the people you're accusing of doing the same thing as you. Startfromtheheart for example, just comes off as a really bad troll.

Being... geniune... is... bad?

Genuinely scum? Yes.

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I don't think 22 is scum.

Why?

I've felt like you're town, while thinking you've been off on most of your reads throughout the game. But this particular read really confounds me. (I could understand a pronouncement that 22 hasn't done anything alignment-indicative, but I don't see where a pronouncement of "not scum" comes from.)

I really don't see 22 as scum either right now. Like all they've really done is defend the Bulge, which you are townreading Dave for doing. What about 22's defense don't you like?

[Flubbernugget]

I don't think 22 is scum.

Why?

I've felt like you're town, while thinking you've been off on most of your reads throughout the game. But this particular read really confounds me. (I could understand a pronouncement that 22 hasn't done anything alignment-indicative, but I don't see where a pronouncement of "not scum" comes from.)

I really don't see 22 as scum either right now. Like all they've really done is defend the Bulge, which you are townreading Dave for doing. What about 22's defense don't you like?

It's not so much the defense of The Bulge (as their argument is entirely unpersuasive), but their entry into the game is very explicitly "let's go with something fairly arbitrary, announce how arbitrary it is, and stick with it". It's designed to be absurd and entirely excusable. I can see it as being alignment-neutral, but I can't fathom how it looks town-like in any way.

(I acknowledge that part of this may be personal irritation, as when I replaced in I spent a not-insignificant amount of time reading the game and taking notes, whereas 22 seems disinclined to put in the effort. I am trying to separate this personal irritation with how I read 22. I am unsure how successful I am in this endeavor.)

@22 can I have your input on this before I give mine?

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Wait what?

im calling out the scum team right now.

22 scum
team 9 scum
tn(5421) prob last scum

i refuse to vote bins

Ika hates numbers.
Discuss.

2 out of 3 are divisible by 3 (9/3=3, 5+4+2+1=12&12/3=4)
He's as racist against 3 as I am.

You're trying too hard.

5421 is already divisible on its own.

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I don't think 22 is scum.

Why?

I've felt like you're town, while thinking you've been off on most of your reads throughout the game. But this particular read really confounds me. (I could understand a pronouncement that 22 hasn't done anything alignment-indicative, but I don't see where a pronouncement of "not scum" comes from.)

I really don't see 22 as scum either right now. Like all they've really done is defend the Bulge, which you are townreading Dave for doing. What about 22's defense don't you like?

It's not so much the defense of The Bulge (as their argument is entirely unpersuasive), but their entry into the game is very explicitly "let's go with something fairly arbitrary, announce how arbitrary it is, and stick with it". It's designed to be absurd and entirely excusable. I can see it as being alignment-neutral, but I can't fathom how it looks town-like in any way.

(I acknowledge that part of this may be personal irritation, as when I replaced in I spent a not-insignificant amount of time reading the game and taking notes, whereas 22 seems disinclined to put in the effort. I am trying to separate this personal irritation with how I read 22. I am unsure how successful I am in this endeavor.)

Okay. First paragraph is scummy. Second is null.

@22 can I have your input on this before I give mine?

If I had any input I would have already given it.

Thesp is just continuing his habits of discrediting his attackers with weak arguments that don't attempt to discern alignment.

Null. Somebody asked why I wanted input here before I gave mine. It's to prevent people from sheeping my opinions.

Here's the thing. This game is 100 pages on d1. I don't want to debate the "ethics" of how to approach something this crazy, but even a quick skim just shows it's a bunch of redundant and "quippy" back and forths that are really jamming up the thread. I can't tell anymore whether or not I'm reading all of it as TvT because that's what I see it as, or because my brain keeps getting replaced with a TV playing the snow channel after every about two reiterations of each party's point. I saw 22's challenge to not read the thread as a way to try and "start over" and try getting a more productive and concise thread going. I'm down for that.

I'm also starting my change my read on Bins. I see better scum hunting and less attempts to flat out dismiss arguments.

[Flubbernugget]

hey team9 question, do you mind a cop checking you?

Yes. I am currently discussing with pieguy about how to somehow fit a miller claim in this setup.

This made me laugh.

[Flubbernugget]

hey team9 question, do you mind a cop checking you?

Yes. I am currently discussing with pieguy about how to somehow fit a miller claim in this setup.

Can you explain your townread on Flubber?

His post in general plus I liked his early posts.

Flubber, what's your read on the Bulge and view of the Team 9/Bulge interaction? I don't remember you specifically stating it.

It was null until he continued to not scumhunt. Now I scum read him. I have to catch up to the rest of the thread before I vote for him.

[Flubbernugget]

Bulge's recent posts and reads given should cement him as town, tbh.

I still don't get this at all.

[Flubbernugget]

I agree, follow the cop is the road to victory.

Personal preference: break the game once it's over. This stuff could be really intriguing but right now, there's no fun in it.

[Flubbernugget]

I agree, follow the cop is the road to victory.

It should be noted that Ika has almost as many posts as this hydra, has presented nothing that resembles a case on myself nor on Team 9, and instead spends his entire ISO spamming things that have no relation to the game while ending his posts with a typical "lol lets lynch one and have a cop on the other" one-liner.

Why anyone is following this is beyond me.

Point noted.

[Flubbernugget]

hey team9 question, do you mind a cop checking you?

Yes. I am currently discussing with pieguy about how to somehow fit a miller claim in this setup.

Can you explain your townread on Flubber?

His post in general plus I liked his early posts.

Flubber, what's your read on the Bulge and view of the Team 9/Bulge interaction? I don't remember you specifically stating it.

It was null until he continued to not scumhunt. Now I scum read him.

I have to catch up to the rest of the thread before I vote for him.

why? thats contridction you can vote now. but its not going to happen yet.

screw it someone else can have it

VOTE: flubber

Dude. Quickhammers.

You're going to be one of the players that make me crumb the fact that I'm from New Jersey, aren't you?

Oh. And you're scum btw. Cheers.

[Flubbernugget]

-snip-

Dude. Quickhammers.

You're going to be one of the players that make me crumb the fact that I'm from New Jersey, aren't you?

Oh. And you're scum btw. Cheers.

hey thats where i grew up most of my life.

I wish that explained so much less than it does.

but no im not try again, if you like ill 1v1 you right now. i dont see your vote

VOTE: Bulge
L-1 again.

pedti: let him provke me, it keeps me motivated

I've already explained why back and forths were anti-town.

[Flubbernugget]

why are you calling attention to that wagon again?
did you ever say why you want him lynched?
Can we lynch you?

Because he's a scum lynch at best and a PL at worst.

Nope. I guess I can do that now. He's had plenty of post-vla time to present any sorts of intentions to do something with the game and has only helped to stagnate the game by being overly defensive.

Ladies avatar's first.

[Flubbernugget]

Because he's a scum lynch at best and

a PL at worst.

That's moot.

His play does not deserve PL stature as a sole name, when there are much worse offenders (look at me! look at me!)

Seems like you're making up a story to explain your vote.

But I don't scum read you the way I'm scum reading Bulge. You're at least semi-productive.

Seems like you have a strawman on me though. No bueno.

[Flubbernugget]

@flubber - fuck you, how have I not been doing anything? Why am I being discredited for pushing Team 9? Is that not scumhunting? What would you rather me do, ignore the wagon that got to L-1 on me and focus on other things? Fuck off.

Well damn dude no need to have a short fuse...

But me being a dickhead to the side, this is the problem. The only push you have on Team 9 is that you're not scum, and that they're scum for pushing a lynch on you. I skimmed your ISO, and almost every post is a quote response to Team 9. Check the rest of 2655. It's literally all quote responses to Team 9. Almost everything you have said has been a defense against/tunnel on Team 9. There were a couple posts to Sakura, but they were basically a big thank you for not scum reading you. I don't want you to ignore the wagon, but I want you to focus on other things in addition to your wagon.

[Flubbernugget]

Fluffposting extrordinaire.

This is basically an overview of Gaiden's activity.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING.
STOP.
FUCKING STOP.
STOP IT.

OR I WILL FIND YOU AND SCREAM IN YOUR FACE UNTIL YOUR FUCKING HEAD EXPLODES FROM THE PRESSURE OF THE SOUND WAVES.

FUCKING. KNOCK. THIS. SHIT. OFF.

*Runs naked screaming through the night foaming at the mouth*

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Fucking hell, can't we just get you cop investigated or something? I don't want to lynch the MAYBE doctor.

Soooo you want the cop to out?

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if I'm even going to bother to look back as to who has suggested a play where the cop outs within the next day, but they're all getting scum points if I get around to it.

[Flubbernugget]

Fucking hell, can't we just get you cop investigated or something? I don't want to lynch the MAYBE doctor.

And out the cop D2?

Wait I really think you wanted to break the game and suggested the cop outs D2. I have to ISO for this; brb.

[Flubbernugget]

Yup. 2402

Points!

[Flubbernugget]

WHILE I HAVE EVERYONES ATTENTOIN:

Do a read list of the players

It doesnt have to be some fucking novel, but just stae them why. I dont want to hear any bickering on a persons reads either.

I will start:

22/tn/flubber are my suspects for their general posting and the case i haev presented.

i could see a wird chance of bins being scum as well

Where is the 'case' that you have presented then?

i am ignoring you untill further notice.

also if either bulge or t9 come out here and bicker again i will pull out the ultimate anti-town thing: outing the cop

So basically when this guys claims cop DO NOT FUCKING CC.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: Ika

Putting my vote where my new strongest scumread is.

Please continue shutting down discussion and forcing more people to replace out though.

lol gl with that

Someone explain to me how refusing to interact with other players is town-motivated.

In any other game it wouldn't be.

[Flubbernugget]

How about this:

Give me one good reason that I shouldn't replace out of this game myself.

Okay. I want tn either ignored, replaced, or policy lynched.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: thesp

i am not stating why. at this point i want the lynch for an entirely different reason

More blatant antitown play?

Do you even have a reason to vote anyone or are you just making things up as you go?

Fluffposting extrordinaire.

This is basically an overview of Gaiden's activity.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME.
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING.
STOP.
FUCKING STOP.
STOP IT.

OR I WILL FIND YOU AND SCREAM IN YOUR FACE UNTIL YOUR FUCKING HEAD EXPLODES FROM THE PRESSURE OF THE SOUND WAVES.

FUCKING. KNOCK. THIS. SHIT. OFF.

*Runs naked screaming through the night foaming at the mouth*

If you're so intent on protecting Gaiden, why don't you show me at least 3 examples of Gaiden attempting to further his/her wincon?

STOP BITCHING ABOUT FLUFF. FUCKING STOP. YOU'RE NOT FURTHERING YOURS EITHER. Or at least stop furthering it at a planck length per eternity.

[Flubbernugget]

I forgot about the Macho rules.

20% off the scum points.

Hmm. I actually do need a more solid read on you. I'll do that eventually.

[Flubbernugget]

@ Varsoon what was your read on Team 9 when you wrote 2472

[Flubbernugget]

well if a lynch is about to happen and he has an inno then sure ?

Later in the game sure.

[Flubbernugget]

@ Varsoon what was your read on Team 9 when you wrote 2472

I guess so. I'm thinking of ways to further randomize it, like having alternating claims of guilty/inno and the true cop can step in the order whenever they want.

That would out the cop.

[Flubbernugget]

This whole cop hyperclaim (I think that's what it's called??) thing needs to wait till there's less people in the game. Also, PoE is a good tool, but Team9 is using it too much. I think I saw legit scumhunting in their last couple of posts, so I have to check when my brain is less fried as to whether or not that's legit.

[Flubbernugget]

Flubber

Team 9 is not getting lynched today

So whatever the fuck you think you're doing, do something else

Hmmm bringing up a scum read for discussion just to be told I want them lynched? I didn't know I wanted them lynched.

[Flubbernugget]

I want either the Bulge or TN lynched. My read on bins changed. I'll let you figure that last read out because I know I've explicitly stated it and stated why. And I'm disagreeing with your first paragraph and leaving it at that.

[Flubbernugget]

Are the scum reads on Thesp still coming from Titus's play?

[Flubbernugget]

Did I miss a hard claim or are we just sheeping the claimed cop vote.

#n00bquestions

[Flubbernugget]

Why do I feel like Varsoon bussed Thesp

[Flubbernugget]

NS
SFTH
Gaiden
ICE
Bins
Ika
Bulge
VOTE: tn

Self votes can go fuck themselves.

Varsoon is simultaneously in every slot in this list because I have no fucking clue. Shrodinger's reads list or some shit like that I guess. The important thing is that he's a waste of a flip right now.

[Flubbernugget]

Varsoon if you want to still try that hyperclaim thing now would be a good time. But I honestly think that it's overkill at this point.

[Flubbernugget]

Varsoon why are you acting like your contributions are unappreciated. Why are you acting like your flip would be anti-town. And why are you more concerned about living than helping the town. We're not legitamately (lol fuck spelling) hanging you here and this all sounds like we are somehow personally hurting you by lynching you.