In post 575, Titus wrote:Doublechecking VC
In post 532, fontisian wrote:The Gravedigger claim in pregame is always optimal, as it allows the GD to drop info as we go, and increases accountability. The method of the claim can also be very helpful in determining their alignment, as it was in this case. The gravedigger, if town, is unlikely to get shot, as scum tend to be more interested in holy hunting and get some use from the gravedigger role info.I still don't think that this was the best move, but whatever. What's already claimed is claimed. I feel like outing a town power role before the game even starts is worse then having them post content later in the game, where they don't have a target on their back, and possibly get the chance of a Scum CC.
Grib is town because he assumed there were four witches in the game when there are actually three. What part of that statement do you disagree with and why?I seem to remember someone mentioning that a lot of the players were common Withhunt players, and assumed a two things:
a) The witches stayed constant.
b) Claiming something about the game is so easy for a scum player to pull and has only two outcomes: Coming off as town for apparently slipping, or coming off as a Village Idiot for not reading the rules. Both of which are pretty safe as it doesn't leave a target on his back.
I feel this was just his way of trying to get himself a little towncred, and don't want to watch him slide by without it being noticed.
Lynching me is stupid, because I'm going to get shot later and become confirmed town and, even if I were scum, I have a history of bussing that you can use.
This is an attempt to throw WIFOM in the situation. "Don't lynch me because I could be an asset to town even if I was scum. If we have caught scum, I'm going to lynch them. And if you try bussing someone now, I frankly wouldn't believe it, as you seem to be repeating it quite a bit. As if trying to set up for it, and it's really frustrating me.
In post 562, Atum wrote:In post 508, Mist7676 wrote:In post 369, Stigmata wrote:This thread is really hard to read because Rubicon and fontisian keep speaking in riddles and they don't even answer half the shit I ask (which is not even half the shit I want to ask.)
You ask all the right questions~
Ok, I'm caught up, and I think I have a really good grasp on this game. But then again it's 4:30 in the morning and I could be totally wrong.
Either way, my scum reads right now are
1. Font
2. Grib
3. Ika
I also feel like the Hiplop wagon was scum driven, and in that case feel like Hiplop is town. I'll probably have a full reads list tomorrow when, again, it's not 4:30 in the morning.
Hey, when you've got some time, can you explain the Grib and ika reads? And nice cop out by the way, it's fun when RL works out for you like that.
In post 578, Mist7676 wrote:Here's a read's list as promised. I'm not going to do the whole color thing you guys have a hard on for. If explained my scum reads, but if you want to ask about my town reads, go ahead.
Rubicon - Who?
Albert B. Rampage - I have a null leaning scum read on this character, as you pop in at random times and it just rings of Beetlejuice
ZZZX - Again, who?
Unsight - I have a gut town read here, and since this is Gravedigger, I'll be keeping a closer eye on you
Honey bee - Null
Grib - Probably scum
Atum - Bothersome, but town
fontisian - Scum ~
Stigmata - Null
ika - Another scum read
hiplop (replaces Jargonaut) - Town
MadCitrus - Null leaning Town
In post 577, Mist7676 wrote:I still don't think that this was the best move, but whatever. What's already claimed is claimed. I feel like outing a town power role before the game even starts is worse then having them post content later in the game, where they don't have a target on their back, and possibly get the chance of a Scum CC.
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People don't fakeclaim the gravedigger. The role isn't even guaranteed to be town.
In post 577, Mist7676 wrote:[Grib is town because he assumed there were four witches in the game when there are actually three. What part of that statement do you disagree with and why?I seem to remember someone mentioning that a lot of the players were common Withhunt players, and assumed a two things:
a) The witches stayed constant.
b) Claiming something about the game is so easy for a scum player to pull and has only two outcomes: Coming off as town for apparently slipping, or coming off as a Village Idiot for not reading the rules. Both of which are pretty safe as it doesn't leave a target on his back.
I feel this was just his way of trying to get himself a little towncred, and don't want to watch him slide by without it being noticed.
Ok, that's nice in a general sense, but have you looked at Grib's town slip in particular?
In post 577, Mist7676 wrote:This is an attempt to throw WIFOM in the situation. "Don't lynch me because I could be an asset to town even if I was scum. If we have caught scum, I'm going to lynch them. And if you try bussing someone now, I frankly wouldn't believe it, as you seem to be repeating it quite a bit. As if trying to set up for it, and it's really frustrating me.
I want you to vote for hiplop with, because he's likely scum and he's linked to Stigmata. At the very least I'd like you to stop pushing me over nothing so I can focus on lynching scum. Are you going to help or not?
Quote your response for me.
And no, deliberately giving yourself a bad scum meta is a nice scumtell. The entirety of Jargonaut's added up to a self-conscious player trying to stay out of the spotlight.
He townslipped, hiplop. Your buddy pointed it out already.
Are you hoping that if you don't address me I'll go away?
In post 582, Grib wrote:t
Too many nulls. Your ika read is bad because he does that every game. But I agree with you on Rubicon. And I'm not trying to slide by without it being noticed, because. I want it to be noticed, so that you can drop your scumread of me and put it somewhere that might actually catch scum.
In post 570, ika wrote:@von
b/c i can ready you more easily then font.
anyway, hiplop lets try something:
assume font is town, whos scum then?
" Townslipping" means nothing when the person is aware of it. If anything its an easy thing for scum to do? Like this isn't even a valid point.
and aw, here's grib to AGAIN defend fontisan and attempt to discredit a case. How cute
In post 581, fontisian wrote:
The point is that I'm a self resolving problem. You don't need to lynch me because scum generally prefer to shoot me over having me around for several Days. Now, look at all of the people (except ika, the derp) voting for me right now. What do they have in common?
Can you explain exactly why you believe hiplop to be town. (Hint: The wagon being scumdriven is a bad answer when I happen to know that it isn't.)
In post 552, fontisian wrote:I want you to vote for hiplop with, because he's likely scumand he's linked to Stigmata. At the very least I'd like you to stop pushing me over nothing so I can focus on lynching scum. Are you going to help or not?
In post 584, hiplop wrote:@Honey, I said in original post the quote was just another example; its needless arrogance in an attempt to strawman a case
In post 420, hiplop wrote:Hello, earthlings!
Pre-game is basically just setup discussion. I agree with some of it I suppose.
Hotel Holder is town, I'm pretty damn sure. He is posting vast content in an otherwise empty spot. That doesn't particularily mean its all that helpful, but hes trying despite general MS meta to lay low for the first little bit. Town in my eyes for now. Oh...he left
Fontisan is giving me bad feelings in this part, but other than that basically everyone is just joking around or whatever. Fontisan is trying to act like the town leader in my eyes, but it just seems in credibly artificial. He's different than holder because he is trying to control the town rather than contribute. To me this screams as scum.
Players that haven't seen me in a game before, what's your meta?
I'm always town ;) don't question it ever
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Day one:
Atum is town. He's playing the sort of trolly, but is town based on the nature of the posts hes making.
Unsight is the GD, eh? I buy it. I think shes town especially due to her cold-feet. I too agree it likely wasn't best, but then again I have never played this setup.
OFFTOPIC: @MadCitrus, you can even iso multiple people at once to get a telling of their relationship. Press the little plus! (its even MORE GLORIOUS!)
Stigmata's 248 is strange as hell to me. MadCitrus made a (somewhat) weak case against him and he got incredibly defensive. That doesn't sit right with me.
I agree. Citown
Question time!
If you could have picked a role, what would it be?
Are you having fun?
Where else (if applicable) do you play mafia?
Steak or ham?
JESTER, fun., Uhm just a unrelated forum that has some others (faraday and a few others) havent played in a while tho, I'm a pescetarian so neither
In post 316, fontisian wrote:I'll break this game if and when I feel like it.
Right now, Rubicon's imitating his scum play and I want him to die. Whee.
This is the nail in her coffin for me.
VOTE: FOntisan
Grib is a gut read based on tonality. He's not taking a town leadership position like he has in other games (such as the Mini Normal he finished recently), and I wish he would. But he doesn't seem worried about looking town or being caught, either.
This is interesting to me. I assumed he was just lurkish by nature. In other games hes more of a town voice? I will meta him after I finish this post because t hat doesn't sit right with me. Especially with new people who have yet to draw scum?
Oh god a wagon on me right at the start? :o