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Post Post #1125 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 10:20 am

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Vote count:


1 ~N9V~ (theopor_COD)
2 Battle Mage (Akbar, IH)
3 Dripping Goofball (Battle Mage, mneme, Mastermind of Sin)

2 mneme (Raffles, Shanba)
3 Mr. Flay (Dripping Goofball, Kison, PBuG)
3 Raffles (Fuldu, Mr. Flay, spectrumvoid)


Not voting: 5


10 to lynch, 5 at deadline





Deadline 2: 1700 GMT, Friday the 25th
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Post Post #1126 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 10:55 am

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Hmmm... now that's interesting. There are four (the battle mage wagon consists of lurker votes left on him) competing wagons being pushed currently.
[Wild speculation]
I reckon two of the people being pushed for lynch currently are from two seperate scumgroups. I reckon that two of the new wagons therefore are supposed to be counterwagons and have lots of scum on them. If I had to guess which were the scum being wagoned and which were the ounterwagons currently... I'd guess that mneme and DGB were the scum and that Mr. Flay and DGB are the counterwagons. Yah.
[/Wild speculation]
but that's just a theory at this point. I'd love to see how true it is later though
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Post Post #1127 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 11:14 am

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Hi I'm back. Pheobus didn't find me a replacement so I'm going to continue with this game. However, I'm dissapointed by the content in the posts made while I was away.

First of all, Machine gun prodding required. Mod, pls. Bold players
Akbar -May 15
BM - May 19
Bird -Apr 23

DBG - May 19
Fuldu - May 10

IH - May 14 (requesting replacement)
Kison - May 19
MoS - May 18
mneme - May 16
Flay - May 03

PBuG - May 19
Raffles - May 17
Shanba - May 15
SV - May 18
theoporCOD - May 18
wizardcat - Mar 25 !!! 2 months!?

Zindy - Apr 25 !!!

N9V - May 18

@bird: if you don't want to be replaced, pls put some effort into the game

@DGB: Please provide evidence showing MoS was houding me and raffles. It is good to shake things up to increase the pace of the game, but votes and reasons without any support are not tolerated. If you are town, your attempts at catching scums are almost useless and are also creating opportunity for people to hop onto you.. I believe any scums with half their brain frozen would notice you are voting people around you without any good reasons. I do not appreciate the fact that you said you've forgotten your reasons for voting OTU yesterday. I'm concerned about your roleclaim as well. Please explain the reason for it. Up till now, you have voted Flay, kison, mneme, MoS and PbuG. Could you compare ALL of the candidates you've voted before and state the reason why flay is most likely scum to you.

@Kison: I don't think DGB was sidetracking a wagon. Raffles was the leading wagon, however, his alignment is still unknown. To accuse DBG of sidetracking, the first requirement is "raffles is scum". Concluding on something that is based on an unknown situation doesn't convince me much.

@Flay: Could you please explain your inactivity in this game but not in the other games.

@Mneme: Your first post looks scummy to me. I was expecting some reasons and an overview of other players from you for your first post, yet, you voted raffles without provided any reasons. Judging that raffles was the leading wagon at that time, it struck me as opportunistic. I disagree with you saying scarecrow wasn't scummy. C'mon, he didn't contribute much then hopped onto OTU's wagon without providing any reasons. Do you think that was a pro-town act? You've said that it is OBVIOUS that there are 3 scum groups in the game, yet you are not convinced that there is a cult? So what is the third scum group you are talking about? Another group with the NK ability?

@BM: If you do not approve of flay's wagon because he is not around to defend himself, then why were you on OTU's wagon when he was inactive? you said that at no point did you wanted a raffle lynch. So why did you vote for raffle following Flay's case against him. Could you please learn not to quote uneccessary junk as well. It's really annoying.

@Shanba

Shanba wrote:I'd guess that mneme and DGB were the scum and that Mr. Flay and DGB are the counterwagons.
?? DGB is scum or aounterwagon?
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Post Post #1128 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 11:15 am

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That's a nice theory Shanba but it's based on a number of assumptions, one of which I know to be wrong (my alignment) and the rest of which we can only guess at.

I am curious to find out why you still think meneme is scummy. Shanba, please elaborate on the reasons why you chose to maintain your vote on mememe. Please repeat why it's there in the first place. And please explain why you find mememe more voteworthy than any other current contender. Why?
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Post Post #1129 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 11:24 am

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XReyoX wrote:@DGB: Please provide evidence showing MoS was houding me and raffles. It is good to shake things up to increase the pace of the game, but votes and reasons without any support are not tolerated. If you are town, your attempts at catching scums are almost useless and are also creating opportunity for people to hop onto you.. I believe any scums with half their brain frozen would notice you are voting people around you without any good reasons. I do not appreciate the fact that you said you've forgotten your reasons for voting OTU yesterday. I'm concerned about your roleclaim as well. Please explain the reason for it. Up till now, you have voted Flay, kison, mneme, MoS and PbuG. Could you compare ALL of the candidates you've voted before and state the reason why flay is most likely scum to you.
I don't care about MoS hounding you and Raffles anymore, that's so yesterday. I have observed other behaviors that were more clearly scummy, such as the Flay "drop the bomb and run" and MoS's defense of Flay. If I create opportunities for people to jump onto me, so be it; most people by now are aware this is my playstyle, and besides, I never make it far into any game. If I manage to avoid being lynched, you can be sure the scum won't tolerate me for one more day. As for OTU, who cares, it was a Day 1 wagon, the day needed moving on, and I was too busy with other RL matters to really get involved with the game. You're concerned with my roleclaim? Urgh? Where did I roleclaim? I don't remember roleclaiming. If you want to know why I voted all these people, read the game. Mostly for smallish scumtells. I do remember this made MoS really really nervous; and he's defended Flay. As to why I think Flay is the most scummy, I've already answered that.
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Post Post #1130 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 11:27 am

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XReyoX wrote:@BM: If you do not approve of flay's wagon because he is not around to defend himself, then why were you on OTU's wagon when he was inactive?
Flay is around. He has been prodded, and has picked up his prod. He os around to defend himself.
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Post Post #1131 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 11:28 am

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Both Reyo: DGB is scum from one group and the other group is using her as a counterwagon

DGB: There's a reason I put wild speculation tags around that little theory ;). I believe I have been fairly explicit in why I believe mneme is scum. For more info see my posts 2, 10, 13, 14 and 15.
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Post Post #1132 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 11:44 am

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XReyoX wrote:To accuse DBG of sidetracking, the first requirement is "raffles is scum".
Any player of any alignment could attempt to sidetrack a wagon on any player of any alignment. A scum is not required to have a wagon sidetracked. All that is required is that a wagon exists and someone is trying to break it, and that is what DGB appeared to be aiming for earlier.
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Post Post #1133 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 11:47 am

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Thanks Shanba, I see that you are including the contributions from mememe's previous incarnations, namely, Scarecrow and Albert B. Rampage, in your suspicions.

This is what you said about Scarecrow: " Seriously, look at his posts in isolation, he's not just lurking but casually agreeing with people while trying to avoid garnering any sort of attention."

On Albert Rampage, you wrote: "Something's just clicked: Albert B. Rampage is scarecrow. Suddenly his question as to why I suspect him makes sense"

About mememem: "mneme's entrance obviously didn't have a lot of impact on me. "

Then you summarized here: "http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 183#594183"

I noted in your summary that you wrote: "He has voted Raffles because Flay said so" - is he following the lead of his scumbuddy? Flay again.

It seems that the bulk of your case lies on mememe & Co.'s lack of independent thought. You might be on to something, but I personally think that Flay's setting up the lynch early and the day and vanishing from the game, but not the site, is a greater scumtell.
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Post Post #1134 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 12:06 pm

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To be honest, I could go either way on Flay being scum. I hadn't really read his posts particularly well, and looking back he never really makes a case against Raffles, simply posts an analysis of yesterdays lynch, pulls the three votes he thinks are scummiest then eventually votes Raffles because "he doth protest too much". His lurking now despite activity elsewhere is scummy.

Regardless, though, he isn't my top pick for today.
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Post Post #1135 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 10:34 pm

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DrippingGoofball wrote:I don't care about MoS hounding you and Raffles anymore, that's so yesterday.
Maybe I was yesterday, but I can't see how you came to thinking that MoS was hounding me. Mind quoting his posts which show that?
DrippingGoofball wrote:most people by now are aware this is my playstyle, and besides, I never make it far into any game.
Clearly not helping are you? Killing yourself even if you are a town in any games.
DrippingGoofball wrote:As for OTU, who cares, it was a Day 1 wagon, the day needed moving on, and I was too busy with other RL matters to really get involved with the game.
Poor attitude towards the game? You were busy yet you wanted the day to move on? Surely you should have hoped that the day would slow day so you could catch up. So, is your vote on flay another "who cares, i want the day to move on"again?
DrippingGoofball wrote: I don't remember roleclaiming.
Here :arrow:
DrippingGoofball wrote: No, I don't have a power role. I have a role, but it's really minor, and it's highly unlikely to make a difference in the game. It's a passive, rather than active, ability.
What good does it do to the town by announcing you have a passive skill?
DrippingGoofball wrote:If you want to know why I voted all these people, read the game. Mostly for smallish scumtells. I do remember this made MoS really really nervous; and he's defended Flay. As to why I think Flay is the most scummy, I've already answered that.
You might have given reasons, but you weren't comparing between your new target with the other ones you were voting. You didn't give reasons for your unvotes.
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Post Post #1136 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 11:09 pm

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How reliable is it to conclude someone is scum when he is inactive in one game but not in the others. Both zindy, Fuldu and Bird (as well as Flay) have been very active across the board.
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If I were to accuse someone of tactical lurking, bird would be my first choice.
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Post Post #1137 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2007 11:16 pm

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Kison wrote:All that is required is that a wagon exists and someone is trying to break it, and that is what DGB appeared to be aiming for earlier.
Why is DGB trying to break a wagon appear scummy?
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Post Post #1138 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 3:02 am

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XReyoX wrote:
Kison wrote:All that is required is that a wagon exists and someone is trying to break it, and that is what DGB appeared to be aiming for earlier.
Why is DGB trying to break a wagon appear scummy?
Well, because we are deadlined while, more importantly, instead of trying to look into other possibilities first and then do something about it, she was trying to break the wagon on the player who most people figured was most likely to be scum this time around without any other alternative offered.

I'm happy with my Flay vote for now, though. He is indeed actively lurking. The only thing I am wondering at this point is whether or not he has some kind of posting limit.
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Post Post #1139 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 3:15 am

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@xreyox-i dont recall the occassion you are talking about, but i assume my vote change would have been based on a strong case against him. i didnt vote for OTU yesterday because he was inactive-i strongly felt him to be scum. i didnt feel quite as strongly about Flay.
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Post Post #1140 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 3:20 am

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first off, please read my comments before you try to reply to them. :wink:
i am curious as to why you are so sure that PBuG isnt scum. besides, ive already stated that i find you scummier than either him or Flay, hence my vote is on you.
comprende? :roll:

DrippingGoofball wrote:Wait a minute, you little fiend.

First off, your vote isn't on PBuG, it's on me. Link for the skeptics

"The case on PBug/Flay scumbuddies is strong" - you wrote. I beg to differ. PBuG may be scum, but he's not scum with Flay, c'mon. You go figure it out. I am too exasperated with you to explain it again.

You don't even know who you're voting for. You don't know whether you're afoot on on horseback.

You accuse PBuG and Flay of being scumbuddies, yet you vote for a third party, then you insist you are voting for PBUG???
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Post Post #1141 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 3:39 am

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@Kison. I don't think that Flay's inactivity is due to a post limit, otherwise his post would be larger. I do not like how the flay wagon is building up atm, it is all based on his inactivity. Scum can say whatever they want and cast suspicions to players who are not around to defend themselves, like the OTU wagon towards the end of day1. What is the difference between flay and the other active lurkers?

@BM. Which part do you not recall. "you said that at no point did you wanted a raffle lynch. So why did you vote for raffle following Flay's case against him?"?
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Post Post #1142 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 3:58 am

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i believe i have already answered that scernario.
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Post Post #1143 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 4:03 am

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Battle Mage wrote:i didnt vote for OTU yesterday because he was inactive-i strongly felt him to be scum. i didnt feel quite as strongly about Flay.
Hang on.. you
DID
vote for OTU yesterday. you were on his lynching wagon.
Battle Mage wrote:OTU seems very scummy at the moment-perhaps even more so than Kison. Of the two bandwagons, i think i know where im at. :)
Unvote, Vote: Overtheunder
Battle Mage wrote:i believe i have already answered that scernario.
I might have missed your answer. Could you please quote it for me please. Thx
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Post Post #1144 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 4:05 am

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yes i know i did. in fact, i told you that here:
"i didnt vote for OTU yesterday
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he was inactive-i strongly felt him to be scum."
thats not saying that i didnt vote for him, its saying that i didnt vote for him for the reasons you suggested.
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Post Post #1145 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 4:18 am

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OK. But where is the answer for this?
XReyoX wrote:you said that at no point did you wanted a raffle lynch. So why did you vote for raffle following Flay's case against him.
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Post Post #1146 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 4:48 am

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Battle Mage wrote:@xreyox-i dont recall the occassion you are talking about, but i assume my vote change would have been based on a strong case against him.
^This about sums it up. if you want me to reread the specific instance, so i have a better answer, please direct me to it, and i will do so.

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Post Post #1147 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 4:58 am

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#26 Battle Mage wrote:thats a strong case from Flay.
Vote: Raffles


also note that im a bit wary of xreyox. he seems a little TOO protown for my liking. seems a bit false...
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Post Post #1148 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 7:06 am

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I'm curious as to those who picked up the prod but still not responding.
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Post Post #1149 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2007 9:00 am

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Yea. Which people picked up their prods, and which haven't had replacements found yet?
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