Newbie 342: CHAOS in Peaceville - Game Over - who won?

[DeathSauce]

My opinion is clear. I wasn't even satisfied with Norinel's answer that satisfied you a page or two back.

Drunky's position is clear, he is convinced that Zep is scum and his vote won't change. That makes me think he is town, because if he was scum I believe he would have hammered Norinel.

So we're pretty much waiting on you. If you vote Zep, Norinel will hammer. If you vote Norinel, he dies.

So let's pick one

[zePPeLiN]

@Norinel> Please state who you think is town or scum and why.
The rest of us have allready stated our opinions.

[Peter Venkman]

Do you 100% think XXX is scum? If not, do you feel you have enough information to pick the scum correctly day three?

This question applies to me also. I don't share your confidence, and am not anywhere

near

certain of

anyone's

role. The arguments against Zep and Norinel are

weak at best

. Even if one of them is scum, we have a 50% chance of getting it right. If we pick wrong, we hardly have 6 pages to work with on day three.

In summary, I don't feel the town has the advantage right now. I was hoping to get something a little more from Norinel, but it appears he has clammed up. I am

not

satisfied with his answers to my question in Post 109.

I've said it before, but I don't play this game to rely on pure luck.

If pressed by the deadline, I will hammer Norinel, only because he is the highest on my suspicious list.

I am also a little weirded out over Drunky's nitpick. I (snarkily, and teasingly) asked him to post his questions (that he claimed he had) but instead he replied with a weird "My vote is on Zep and I ain't budgin'" I don't mean to cast suspicion on him, I'm just a little annoyed, and want to hear more.

-Peter

[DeathSauce]

I am also a little weirded out over Drunky's nitpick. I (snarkily, and teasingly) asked him to post his questions (that he claimed he had) but instead he replied with a weird "My vote is on Zep and I ain't budgin'" I don't mean to cast suspicion on him, I'm just a little annoyed, and want to hear more.

I think it was pretty obvious that you were teasingly asking that question, so it doesn't surprise me that he didn't address it. I think it's another point in his favor that he was trying to force the discussion forward.

I've said it before, but I don't play this game to rely on pure luck.

If pressed by the deadline, I will hammer Norinel, only because he is the highest on my suspicious list.

And you also said at the beginning of this Day, that you vote the top of your suspicion list.

I am not pretending that I am certain about anyone. I have to say I'm not really impressed with Zep's reaction (none) to my saying he is number 2 on my suspicion list, and that doesn't help his case.

[Peter Venkman]

That is true. Usually I just plop a vote on my most suspicious. I voted earlier on Norinel like that.

However, I am not completely certain he is scum. Because I have doubts, I'm looking at what Day 3 might look like, and I can't find any reason to believe it will be a logical choice. Rather, I think if Norinel or Zep is lynched, the Scum player certainly will leave the other alive, leaving the remaining players an obvious target. Therefor I will not hammer this soon.

We havn't put pressure on everyone in this game. We have a

pathetic

six pages to work from. You yourself have said you aren't certain Norinel is scum.

I

just want some more posts

. Me being patient has

absolutely no negative effect on the town

, why are you pressuring me like this?

IGMEOY DeathSauce.

-Peter

[DeathSauce]

I am not trying to pressure you, I am merely pointing out the realities of this game.

1) Drunky seems convinced Zep is scum and has said he will not be swayed
2) Norinel is reluctant to vote for anyone
3) Zep has not changed position and says "has already stated (his) opinions"
4) I am convinced that you and Drunky are town and that Norinel or Zeppelin must be the final scum.

So, your hope of more informative posts seems like an empty one. I also am looking at what Day Three might look like, but I hope we don't have to worry about it as we'll lynch the remaining scum today. Game over, we win.

I am still trying to go over the implications of this quote:

I think if Norinel or Zep is lynched, the Scum player certainly will leave the other alive, leaving the remaining players an obvious target.

I will go over the combinations of how it could play out if I am wrong, to make sure I'm not missing something, and get back to the thread.

[Peter Venkman]

Yeah, my phrasing there is a little awkward. It is supposing

you

are scum: It would be a smart move for scum to have two suspicious players (Norinel and Zep), lynch one, than Day Three say "oops, it must be the one that is still alive!"

Please, understand that my questioning here is more of a safe-guard. In the event that we do mis-lynch, I want the town to have more information to work with.

-Peter

[Peter Venkman]

...and Norinel hasn't posted for five days. I think you might be right Death, my little "lets get some more posts" rally is going to be a miserable failure.

I would like to at least hear from Drunky again before ending Day 2.

-Peter

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

It's time for the fifth vote count of the day!

2 - Norinel (DeathSauce, zePPeLiN)
1 - zePPeLiN (Drunky McDrinksalot)

Not Voting: Norinel, Peter Venkman

Remember with 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch

[DeathSauce]

Yeah, my phrasing there is a little awkward. It is supposing

you

are scum

Okay, that makes sense. You are right, that would be a very clever strategy. All I can tell you is that it isn't the case in this game. I've laid out why I think you and Drunky are pro-town and that's why I think the reamining scum must be Norinel or Zeppelin, that is the extent of my strategizing.

[Peter Venkman]

Death, I sincerely appreciate the fact that you have been checking this thread regularly.

I don't think the other three are even playing this game anymore. Given the complete lack of activity, I'm forced to vote with my gut.

If no one has posted by 11pm central time I will be hammering Norinel. I'm tired of refreshing this game and finding no new posts.

-Peter

[Drunky McDrinksalot]

Pete, I do share your frustration, I really do, as that is what has driven me to not bother coming here the past day and a half or so. I'm glad to see that activity did indeed pick up, but not from the people that I actually wanted to see posting. I really don't think Nor is scum, but I refuse to stand up for someone that won't even bother showing up to the game for 5 days when he has the most pressure on him. If he is your choice for today, then by all means hammer. If your gut is right, then cool, good game, if not, then I'll (hopefully) see you guys tomorrow.

[DeathSauce]

I've gone over the thread a few more times and I really wish we had some more input from Norinel. It might make things easier today.

Regarding Zeppelin, I've been re-reading this post and I don't like it much.

Basically he says that he and Norinel have the most suspicion aimed at them and accuses Norinel of trying to shift the majority of the suspicion onto him, but then at the end of his post puts Norinel at L-1. Seems like the pot calling the kettle black.

Maybe Drunky is on to something and we should consider lynching Zep first. Even though I think it's one or the other, I'd rather get it right on the first try.

[Peter Venkman]

I've been re-reading Zep's posts, here are some quotes:

I really hope you are scum, becuase if you are a townie and fake claiming cop you just screwd us.

At the time, I read this as Zep being uncertain Alas was scum, and was giving himself wiggle room in case it turned out Alas was town. Oh but wait:

I dont understand why you have to ask why not to hammer some one who is blatently scum.

So... Zep is attacking someone for not insta-hammering, even though he expressed "reservations" about voting on Alas himself.
---
Here's another fun one:

You can't just ignore a previous players actions when his replacement comes.

Ive been reading what DeathSauce has been saying and hes very pro town with his posts. I shouldn't have judged him off DLFM's play.

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To me, these seem like some pretty heavy contradictions. Zep appears to be trying to throw suspicion about, but it bites him in the ass every time.

Vote Zep

I'm more comfortable with a vote on Zep, as I think there is more posting evidence against him. Plus, if Norinel stops by

just

to hammer, it will make the possible Day Three vote pretty obvious...

-Peter

[DeathSauce]

Plus, if Norinel stops by just to hammer, it will make the possible Day Three vote pretty obvious...

Well I think you might have hurt our chances of that happening, but I have to say I'm not sure it was likely to begin with.

I'll hold off until the afternoon and see if any of the rest of the gang stops by with anything to say.

[DeathSauce]

This is extremely dissatisfying. We still have time before the deadline.

MOD: Please prod Zeppelin and Norinel.

@Peter and Drunky: If they do not respond would you like to see them replaced or should we just lynch them for not participating?

[Drunky McDrinksalot]

I am not against them getting replaced, but I have some reservations that I don't really want to share, as I would rather not have whoever replaces them see them before posting...

[Peter Venkman]

I think Zep still could become active. Norinel clearly isn't here and hasn't been for a while.

I think a lynch for "not participating" is a poor choice at this crucial point in the game. However, I put my vote on Zep because I feel he has done some scummy things. If you don't feel he is scummy and want to wait, than by all means wait.

-Peter

[zePPeLiN]

Im still here, I actually check like 5-6 times a day to see the progress. I just cant really think of anything to say. Every time i try to say something, i incriminate myself even more, witch is bad for the town. But not posting is incriminating towards me also.. so im kind of at a lose-lose situation. I been reading the evidence against me, and though it is pretty weak, i can see how you might come to that conclusion. I guess im just a bad townie or a sloppy scum. im trying not to turn this into a WIFOM post. Im just afraid that if you do lynch me tonight, then you will draw a straight conclusion towards Norinel the next day, or the other way around.

[DeathSauce]

Man, just when I thought it couldn't get worse. This game sucks, to be honest. What the hell kind of player says something like "I guess im just a bad townie or a sloppy scum. "

You are not leaving me much choice here!

I have had it.

Vote: zePPeLiN

I hope to Christ you are the final scum and we can end this travesty.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

It's time for the final vote count of the day:

3 - zePPeLiN (Drunky McDrinksalot, Peter Venkman, DeathSauce)

1 - Norinel (zePPeLiN)

Not Voting: Norinel


After the second of deliberation, the town has made their decision that zePPeLiN should be lynched. After everyone seeing zePPeLiN's death, sadness arises from the identification of zePPeLiN as an innocent townie...

zePPeLiN, townie, lynched Day 2

It is now Night 2. Send in night choices by 9 PM EST on Monday, May 21st, 2007, which is about 72 hours from now.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

After another night, everyone gathers in the morning to see if anyone has disappeared. A head count shows that now only 3 of you are alive, and after identifying who are still alive, you all conclude that Drunky McDrinksalot is dead...

Drunky McDrinksalot, Cop, killed Night 2

It is now Day 3. With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch!

[DeathSauce]

Drunky was the Cop?

I re-read his posts to see if he left any kind of breadcrumb for us, and I don't see that he cleared anyone, or suspected anyone other than Zep. So that is fairly unhelpful.

Anyway, I am still suspicious of Norinel, but will withhold a vote until discussion picks up.

[Peter Venkman]

I hate to Meta-Game here...

But if you click Norinel's profile and "list all posts by player" you will notice he has been pretty active in other games.

This leads me to believe he is actively choosing to lurk.

Vote Norinel

...or you have played a really great scum game Death. If so, my hat is off to you. I'll check back to this thread in about two hours.

-Peter

[DeathSauce]

Nope, I'm not scum. If you are, I will be astounded and impressed as well.

vote: Norinel