Mafia v. Wolves Redux: Finally Over!

[DrippingGoofball]

A deadline lynch featuring a single contender means we'll almost certainly be unable to derive any conclusions from today, if Raffles turns up town.

Why would you say it that way? Why no mention of conclusions we may gather if Raffles is scum? Do you know Raffles is town? Also, why wouldn't we be able to draw any conclusions if he's town? Are we going to ignore the fact that 4 out of the 6 people voting Raffles were on OTU's wagon as well? Of course you could just ignore these questions like the way you ignored xReyox asking you why you voted OTU.

IF THERE IS ONLY ONE CONTENDER. If there are more contenders, as did happen after I wrote the above, we can gather conclusions whether Raffles turns up scum or town. I did not eleborate on which conclusions we can draw from today, because there are too many variables, and we'll only really know after the reveal, and the nightkill. I don't know Raffles alignment. I did not realize that 4/6 people on Raffles' wagon were on the OTU wagon. Statistically, OTU was lynched on Day 1, that means a lot of voters, especially active players, will be on both. I don't recall offhand why I voted OTU, but I wasn't paying that much attention to this game until today, and to be perfectly honest I think I largely wanted the game to move along.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd like to hear more from Flay, who did start the Raffles wagon. His input would be much appreciated. It feels as if he pushed Raffles into a pool of hot lava, then stood back.

[Raffles]

....aaaand Phoebus comes in at the nick of time.

lol Raffles, are you seriously suggesting that because some people didnt ask for a deadline retraction, they are scum. LMAO.
Thats some serious BM Logic u got there...

Well if you are a scum, you'd prefer me to shut the hell up and get lynched already. I'm not saying that's a 100% proof, just something that smells strong.

[Phoebus]

Vote count:

1 bird1111 (theopor_COD)
2 Battle Mage (Akbar, IH)
1 Dripping Goofball (mneme)
3 mneme (Dripping Goofball, Raffles, Shanba)
1 PBuG (Battle Mage)

6 Raffles (Fuldu, Kison, Mastermind of Sin, Mr. Flay, PBuG, spectrumvoid)

Not voting: 5

10 to lynch

[Battle Mage]

true, but at this point, there would be no reason for ANY player-town or scum, to not want a deadline, considering that there is only 1 real contender for lynch atm. Of course, IF you were scum, those asking for a retraction are likely your scumbuddies.
BM

....aaaand Phoebus comes in at the nick of time.

lol Raffles, are you seriously suggesting that because some people didnt ask for a deadline retraction, they are scum. LMAO.
Thats some serious BM Logic u got there...

Well if you are a scum, you'd prefer me to shut the hell up and get lynched already. I'm not saying that's a 100% proof, just something that smells strong.

[Raffles]

Why would people want a deadline, if there is only one contender for a lynch?

If that person is actually lynch worthy, then he would accumulate his votes without the help of deadline. Improper lynch is never interest of a town, is it? Or is it in your interest to have a deadline lynch somehow?

[mneme]

A deadline forces the time of the game, making people play, well, faster. Since this game can sometime logjam, I like deadlines on a personal and metagame level.

I don't, personally, think deadline retractions are a good idea -- as they amount to a mod interfering in a game. That said, I was fine with the deadline staying or going, which was why I didn't bother commenting on it -- I'm happy to play to a deadline if we can come to consensus.

FWIW, I don't believe that DGB isn't sure of Raffles alignment. She's defended Raffles and vice versa, in a fashion I cannot but distrust. GB, do you have an alternative explaination for this linkage?

[Raffles]

For not wanting to tell the scum how to play, I won't go into reasons why the deadline is so favourable to the scum, especially in this game.

[Raffles]

But what I will say is not wanting a deadline means a lot in this game more than the others.

[TBuG]

I thought we needed a deadline, personally.

[Raffles]

Scums have an pretty much assured win with deadline.

[Shanba]

Scums have an pretty much assured win with deadline.

Explain this.

[DrippingGoofball]

Scums have an pretty much assured win with deadline.

Explain this.

C'mon Shanba. Deadlines means fewer people on the wagon. Deadlines mean that the scum don't have to push, as long as a few townies do their work, a lynch will occur. If every lynch was deadlined, we wouldn't learn much.

Your attempt to put more un-necessary pressure on Raffles is noted.

[Shanba]

It's hardly a guaranteed scum win if there's one deadline.

[Shanba]

Perhaps I ought to be a bit more clear: I still think Raffles is likely town, but that comment struck me the wrong way and I would like a clarification.

[Raffles]

Explaining that comment means teaching scums how to play, and this method in my mind is a very unsporting to the game and should not be employed (although I fear it has been employed to some extent). I will explain at the end game.

[TBuG]

In other words, Raffles needs to decide what that method is.

[Akbar]

true, but at this point, there would be no reason for ANY player-town or scum, to not want a deadline, considering that there is only 1 real contender for lynch atm. Of course, IF you were scum, those asking for a retraction are likely your scumbuddies.

Why are you trying to convince people Raffles is the only contender but voting PBuG instead? Are you worried your hands will get dirty?

[Mastermind of Sin]

lol Raffles, are you seriously suggesting that because some people didnt ask for a deadline retraction, they are scum. LMAO.
Thats some serious BM Logic u got there...

There's no good reason to not want a deadline retraction when the game is moving along with such heated discussion. We're gaining a lot of information right now, even though a lot of people need to be prodded, probably. Those of us that are here are being active and we're getting somewhere. I feel that I'm learning a lot about people's possible alignments the longer this day goes on.

[IH]

Mod, may I request replacement, because I am being a detriment to this game

[Battle Mage]

im not trying to convince anyone of anything.
I dont really think Raffles is scum, and as such, i can see that scum could well be pushing his wagon. to this end, there is little reason why scum would decline a deadline retraction, when they know a Raffles lynch is likely anyway.
my vote is on PBug because i think he could be scum. genius eh?

true, but at this point, there would be no reason for ANY player-town or scum, to not want a deadline, considering that there is only 1 real contender for lynch atm. Of course, IF you were scum, those asking for a retraction are likely your scumbuddies.

Why are you trying to convince people Raffles is the only contender but voting PBuG instead? Are you worried your hands will get dirty?

[DrippingGoofball]

I dont really think Raffles is scum, and as such, i can see that scum could well be pushing his wagon.

Which begs the question, where has Flay conveniently disappeared?

[spectrumvoid]

Back. I've been an absolute ass this game, but RL was really killing me for a while.

I'll (finally) do a read.

[DrippingGoofball]

SV, after you read, please share your impressions of Flay with the rest of us.

[Raffles]

In other words, Raffles needs to decide what that method is.

That's uncalled for. Go eat shit. No, really.


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