With 11 Alive, 6 vote are required to lynch
Deadline: Sunday, June 8, 2014, at 10:30 PM EDT (UTC-4), which is in (expired on 2014-06-08 22:30:35)
In post 671, zMuffinMan wrote:i think PA is scum
possibly also seeempty. i am not sure if science has advanced to the point we have robots capable of playing mafia, but if we do, i could swear seempty is one of them
BE's replace out is def alignment neutral given this evidence. I definitely know the feeling of not having enough time for a game and everyone getting paranoid as fuck over it and given it happened to him before I think there's a greater chance it's what happened here (although that doesn't necessarily mean he's town).In post 650, talah wrote:Actually he does have at least one other completed game, as I played in it with him under an alt.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=36653
(actually not sure if we were in it at the same time but I read along after I died and have roughly the same read on him now as I did then. which is 'no fucking idea')
I'm with Justin here. Burning flips town, Crash can go down in flames.
@Mod: V/LA until end 8th June
I'll check back before deadline, though.
In post 653, Paschendale wrote:You were certainly doing it differently, attempting to discredit me as a player, rather than simply attacking a single theory. The difference is that you attempted to discount future theories that I had not yet made. It came across as very personal very quickly, which is why I naturally thought that your Saki was the real Saki, as we tend not to get along. Your attacks were not simply to better scumhunt, but to try to nullify my credibility. That is anti-town.
My time for mafia is limited. I have more productive things to do than continuously argue with you when it's a huge distraction from finding scum. This is even more so the case when we seem to disagree on every single thing, as I don't see how us working this out is beneficial at all to us finding scum, and it would take a shitton of effort to do so.Of course it's not impossible for us to work together. By doing so, you would have the opportunity to change my mind. But you squandered that opportunity. A defeatist attitude that you could never get me to trust you definitely seems like a scum thought to me. Scum tend to view people as allies and enemies, while town wants to enlist everyone they possibly can in pursuit of their target.
It's not supposed to be? I just said I don't think penguin is scum anymore.This is not very compelling. It's a pretty passionless argument.
He didn't replace out of every game--that's why it's not totally alignment neutral.In post 672, zMuffinMan wrote:maybe. though given his mass replacing out, i'd say it's fair obvious some outside circumstances of sorts were affecting his play
Def agree with this and it was part of why I thought she was scum - I'd like to hear your thoughts after you're caught upIn post 681, zMuffinMan wrote:short answer: i don't see town in her posts. her posts D1 had this sort of coasty-go-with-the-flow feel about them whereit didn't really feel like she was trying to find scum so much as just calling people scum and making the evidence fit the mold
long answer after i read D2 (prob won't be until around 6 hours from now). i might break down PA's ISO and explain it in depth, actually.
I'm pretty sure he was the main person who was pushing the angle we were being set up which was genuinely town motivated. Besides that, I still think his D1 play was town and I'm going with that.In post 686, Desperado wrote:@ Katen: thoughts on Finglove d2?
Pasch brought it up first and I've been pushing it just as hard/consistently if not moreso. I actually would say Finglove is buddying me over it. Why is him pushing that angle genuinely town motivated but I'm a scumread?In post 687, Katengecchi wrote:I'm pretty sure he was the main person who was pushing the angle we were being set up which was genuinely town motivated. Besides that, I still think his D1 play was town and I'm going with that.
In post 453, Finglove wrote:Is that a claim, or did I miss something?In post 451, Burning_Earth wrote:Also, sorry I didn't stop the NL
Can we stop and think about the night kill for a moment? It seems odd to me. Given there was a reasonable chance we'd lynch tn today, why leave the innocent child alive? It's possible the tracker would track scum, but would we have believed him?
In post 455, Paschendale wrote:That DOES seal it. Scum knows that. They killed TN and not me. To me, the plan looks really obvious. Night kill TN, get Katen quicklynched, and then night kill me. 4 dead townies and not a whole lot of discussion.
In post 458, Desperado wrote:I agree with this, I'm not interested in entertaining the WIFOM of katen-scum pulling this gambit off, and it means I need to do a hard reset that I do not have time for today or tomorrow.In post 455, Paschendale wrote:That DOES seal it. Scum knows that. They killed TN and not me. To me, the plan looks really obvious. Night kill TN, get Katen quicklynched, and then night kill me. 4 dead townies and not a whole lot of discussion.
In post 485, Finglove wrote:A goon cop can't detect a traitor, is that how they play? An innocent read is still pretty powerful then - there's a chance the traitor was recruited, and Bayes says an innocent read is much more likely to be town than traitor.In post 483, Burning_Earth wrote:@justin: Gooncops are so unreliable. Like guilties are cool but they aren't likely to happen and innocents don't mean anything.
In post 495, Finglove wrote:I've been thinking about this more. I don't think tracker is a powerful role in this game. There are three mafia, and up to three town prs other than yourself and the innocent child. So in the best case scenario, in which there are no other active ability town PRs, you have a 1/10 chance of tracking a mafia on a kill, and otherwise you get a near-null result. In the worst case scenario, there are three other good town prs moving around to confuse things, and a Mafia Rolecop who doesn't kill people. In short, were I mafia, I would not be scared of the tracker over a confirmed innocent child who can help direct town efforts during the day.In post 462, Burning_Earth wrote: Also, katenscum probs killed tn because HE WAS A POWERFUL PR
So why did scum choose a worse outcome? If Katen were scum, I don't see what they gain from killing tn: I think we were more likely to lynch tn today anyway, so they'd have until D3 before worrying. The mostly likely set up to me is that
1) Neither Katen nor tn were (are) scum
2) Scum were carefully split between the two wagons and couldn't jump at a late stage for fear of looking scummy
3) They want us to lynch Katen and will then kill the IC overnight.
...and therefore I'm not up for a Katen lynch today, unless someone can find some flaws in my logic. In the next 24 hours or so I'll do a full read of pa and burning, as they seem a bit keen for a Katen lynch.
Which wagon I'm on has absolutely nothing to do with my issue. What I said is exactly what I get from reading your post.In post 662, CrashTextDummie wrote:I would have made the same argument if you had expressed willingnes to lynch PA.
I don't see why that can't be the case.In post 672, zMuffinMan wrote:but *shrug* unless you're suggesting i'm scum with katengecchi, it's pretty obvious there's no scum motivation for him doing what he did
+as opposed to the entire theory of us being set up.In post 692, Katengecchi wrote:I'm pretty sure that was him agreeing with you over Burning_Earth.
What's your read on Empty?In post 693, penguin_alien wrote:At this point I'd vote Finglove if Muffin keeps being townish. Scum can get weird about their own NKs.
You're right, he'd be deliberately positioning himself against it (but only after the IC and another townie said it first).In post 692, Katengecchi wrote:I'm pretty sure that was him agreeing with you over Burning_Earth. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact scum Finglove aiming to capitalize on the tn kill wouldn't open like that.
Pretty sure you're wrong but this is just semantics.In post 694, Katengecchi wrote:+as opposed to the entire theory of us being set up.In post 692, Katengecchi wrote:I'm pretty sure that was him agreeing with you over Burning_Earth.
-Koromo
I had him as town. I think I liked his style.In post 695, Katengecchi wrote:What's your read on Empty?In post 693, penguin_alien wrote:At this point I'd vote Finglove if Muffin keeps being townish. Scum can get weird about their own NKs.
-Koromo