Mini 427 - Clue Mafia 2 - GAME OVER

[Battle Mage]

Accuse: Billy Twilight

[Battle Mage]

so we got 2 deaths now? Mr. Boddy AND Mr Body.

Accuse: Jack

in the ball room, with the rope. He killed Mr. Body.


How do I know this? Because Monkey Brains is

not

a delicacy in New York!

[Battle Mage]

then how do YOU know about it?

yup, this body hasn't been discovered yet, so it hasn't been reported yet.

[Battle Mage]

Unaccuse, Accuse: Alko

[Battle Mage]

would be infinitely preferable if these votes started to provoke any sort of discussion....

[Battle Mage]

i dont think inactivity is the problem. those who are present just need to think of something to talk about, otherwise this game wont get anywhere.
BM

would be infinitely preferable if these votes started to provoke any sort of discussion....

I was just asking myself the question as to the lack of success of these attempted prods. What do you think is the answer?

[Battle Mage]

OMGUS...

Unaccuse, Accuse: Ectomancer

unaccuse

Let's hear from Ectomancer! Name claiming this early is indeed baaaaaad...

suspect ectomancer

Who said I claimed?

unaccuse, accuse chaotic_diablo

for jumping on a joke. Mrs. White in the

panty

with a

polish sausage

. Hello?

[Battle Mage]

im here. i have no idea who we should lynch, but Ecto looks scummy last time i read.

[Battle Mage]

so im flavour of the month eh?
lol
sadly as no1 is bothering to come up with reasons for their votes, i cant defend myself

[Battle Mage]

Unaccuse, Accuse TCS

its the thought that counts, and i think that you are scum.

[Battle Mage]

a vote count would be nice.
TCS, trying to act lynch-happy in all your games is not going to make you appear less scummy. It just makes it more likely that you are scum in 1 or more...
BM

[Battle Mage]

i will take it seriously if you're intending to force a claim out of me this early on.

[Battle Mage]

you have forced such a move out of me, by putting me so close to lynch.
im the Cop. i dont want the same thing to happen to me, as happened to Jack in Clue Mafia 1.
I just hope to god we got a doc....
ill get my flavour if you feel it necessary.
BM

i will take it seriously if you're intending to force a claim out of me this early on.

I did not ask you to claim.

[Battle Mage]

stfu...
your ridiculous quick-lynch attitude left me little choice

[Battle Mage]

actually it appeared obvious to me that this would not be the case this time.
BM

unaccuse

BM, I don't think you needed to claim at that moment. You were only at L-2 and it's obvious that wagons form and disperse in these Clue games like cigarette smoke anyway.

Mod, can we get a vote count please?

[Battle Mage]

hardly! unless you call outting numerous power roles, a 'success'!

Jack extrapolates. I never claimed I was protown because the pressure vote worked. I claimed that the pressure vote works.

[Battle Mage]

i will continue to blame you, until you cease YOUR poor play. that is, unless you are scum, in which case your play is good.
can we see any of the 'Helpful TCS' in this game?

hardly! unless you call outting numerous power roles, a 'success'!

Jack extrapolates. I never claimed I was protown because the pressure vote worked. I claimed that the pressure vote works.

Once again, asking me to take responsibility for your continued bad play is in poor taste.

Please

refrain from doing so.

[Battle Mage]

rubbish! Your attempts to blame me, for your actions are very suspicious. The fact is, at the time, every actively posting player was voting for me, and i am absolutely certain that had i not claimed, i would have been lynched prematurely.
BM

To BM: Pressure wagons typically

are

helpful. That is, unless in response you claim cop Day 1 at Lynch -2 with no other players threatening to vote for you. The correct play would have been to wait it out. Claiming Cop Day 1 is pretty useless. Let's hope there's a Doc who believes you.

[Battle Mage]

i was going to unvote until i read this post. it seems evident that you arent going to bother claiming, so i see no reason why we shouldnt lynch you now.

@CES-thanks for the offer, but i think TCS is the play for today

No hammers before I can claim, and no claims unless there's a threat of hammer. That sums it up.

[Battle Mage]

can anyone verify whether this is viable or not-seeing as i havent seen the actual films, and thus have no idea whether this is potentially true?
also, is it possible that this game could contain a Mafia RB?

Singing telegram girl. Roleblocker.

[Battle Mage]

i doubt it. in fact, i dont think that scenario has ever occurred.

[Battle Mage]

lol nice.

[Battle Mage]

lol i had noticed your deliberate acting the same in all of them. however this post makes me think that you are scum in 1 other perhaps, otherwise you wouldnt be so defensive about it...

Bah, you guys are ridiculously lucky to wagon me in the one game I'm scum when I'm acting the same in all of them. Screw you all.

I thought it was a good claim. :\

Go scum!

I'll be revealed as The Cop. lol

[Battle Mage]

lol ive never seen such OMGUSSY play from a dead guy. its nice to know that me and Al are thinking on the same wavelength.
BM

Makes me feel like al and BM are scum in one of the others, that they'd attempt to extrapolate that from my post. I was merely QQing. This drops me back under .500 as scum.

[Battle Mage]

roleblocker?
have i missed something here?
Billy claimed Singing Telegram Girl, not an actual role.

that was an unnecessary claim by billy. If he was the roleblocker he could have hammered tcs and not claimed. I doubt him somewhat, he could be scum bussing his partner.

[Battle Mage]

BM is correct.

you dont admit that very often

[Battle Mage]

ooh a challenge. i dont think you should eat it. it could be poisoned.

[Battle Mage]

lol i support this decision.

[Battle Mage]

scratch that. didnt BillyT already claim something?

[Battle Mage]

scratch that. didnt BillyT already claim something?

I claimed a character name, not a role.

And I don't like soups.

FoS: Billy

not liking soups is a scumtell. the only way to redeem yourself now, is to confirm that you like all dishes containing egg.

btw-was it this game in which i have already claimed?
i think it is, so just to clarify, i didnt get a guilty result. Instead i have a confirmed innocent.
Should i reveal who it is, at risk of them becoming a mafia target?

[Battle Mage]

WAIT! Check the flavour fool!
If he says its Cream of Tomato, you are probably ok. Minestrone, and you'll probably be silenced for a while, but nothing fatal. Poison-Flavour, and there is a rather strong likelyhood that someone doesnt like you.

[Battle Mage]

hmm id say that the soup probably does one of 2 things. it is either poisoned, and kills you, or it is good, and protects you or something. id say the former is more likely.
as for whether it came from scum or not, i cannot say. Is there a cook in Clue films?
that would fit i guess.

[Battle Mage]

i disagree with CES's reasoning, but i also find MBL scummy.

MOS-MOD: could you please prod the people who havent yet posted today

[Battle Mage]

oh, forgot to

Vote: MBL

[Battle Mage]

its hard to explain. just a gut feeling atm.
I do have some questions which will help me decide fully though.

MBL- what are your views on Billy Twilight?
do you believe that he is TCS's scumbuddy, or genuine town?
who do you consider the play for today?

BM, why do you find MBL scummy?

[Battle Mage]

an MBL prod wouldnt go amiss either.

[Battle Mage]

wow thats a lot of speculation.

1. What makes you think the soup was poisoned? It could have given some sort of immunity. of course, your assumption that MBL is town is also a big leap imo.

2. Who says there wont be more soup? if it is a power-role of some kind, i expect it will be offered again tomorrow, although maybe to someone else.

BM

The 36 hours without posts vote count!

MrBuddyLee

- (Cogito Ergo Sum, Battle Mage)

Ectomancer, how can you be voting TCS? You all lynched him Day 1.

Please pick up the posting, this is ridiculous. If you are going to be away, please pm me to let me know. Otherwise, this lack of posting is unexcusable.

Can we not lynch the dead body again? At least drag it through the streets?

vote CES

What makes you believe the soup could have been useful? If MBL is town and drank poison soup, wouldnt that be a bad thing? And afterwards, it's not as if we will have another opportunity to eat the soup, or use it at all for that matter.

[Battle Mage]

exactly.

[Battle Mage]

MBL please respond to my questions in post 182.

as for the soup, im not sure what i would have done. i guess we'll see tomorrow if i am on the recieving end of a tasty luncheon

[Battle Mage]

err, i dont really get what you mean here. I have very good reason to vote for MBL. However, i wasnt intending to reveal it until AFTER he'd answered my questions. Note that he has refused to do this, at least twice!

still if it makes you feel better.

Accuse: MBL

So who would have eaten the soup and who would have pitched it, and why?

I wouldn't have eaten it, mostly because it is an unknown and who knows what that could mean with MoS modding this game. I figure that with the way these Clue games are set up, MoS has to be modding at least one of them with some crazy atypical roles/gameplay, etc. Throw that in with some random soup showing up would make me extremely nervous about chowing down, whither it was cold outside or not.

Don't like CES or BM voting for MBL. BTW, aren't we supposed to be using Accuse in these games instead of Vote? BM claimed cop day 1 but I'm beginning to not like that claim. His post #164 makes me wonder about his claim now, and the nonsensical attack on MBL for not participating in an unknown variable bothers me. Couple that with the fact that BM claimed so quickly on day 1 (at Lynch-1) makes me nervous about that claim.

[Battle Mage]

can MBL either be Prodded, or replaced. we need a response from him ASAP.

[Battle Mage]

hello? is nobody listening to me? am i invisible or something?

here's the facts. MBL has refused to answer questions posed to him. Until he does so, i reccommend nobody does anything. I want a response out of him, and by voting for CES, you are taking pressure off MBL so he can continue to lurk evasively.

Mod: please prod MBL

[Battle Mage]

im here, waiting for MBL to post. until that, we could keep pressurising him with votes.

[Battle Mage]

thanks MoS.

[Battle Mage]

thats odd. especially because you suggested at the start of the day, that you wanted him dead.
which is it?
oh and your failure to come up with even the faintest excuse for your lurking, is poor.

Oh, BM wants you all to stop playing until these questions are answered:

MBL- what are your views on Billy Twilight?
do you believe that he is TCS's scumbuddy, or genuine town?
who do you consider the play for today?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Twilight seems fine. I don't know who today's play is. We've only just begun and you've told everyone not to say anything because you're retarded.

Any more questions before we resume?

[Battle Mage]

ffs Billy. Use a bit of sense, and you'd know exactly what im getting at.

thats odd. especially because you suggested at the start of the day, that you wanted him dead.
which is it?
oh and your failure to come up with even the faintest excuse for your lurking, is poor.

Oh, BM wants you all to stop playing until these questions are answered:

MBL- what are your views on Billy Twilight?
do you believe that he is TCS's scumbuddy, or genuine town?
who do you consider the play for today?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Twilight seems fine. I don't know who today's play is. We've only just begun and you've told everyone not to say anything because you're retarded.

Any more questions before we resume?

Vote: BM

. Don't like his claim anymore, didn't like the timing of it, don't like the way he's handled it (ie post #164). I don't like how he is pushing this soup thing either. The first part of the above quote might be a mental slip, accusing MBL of "wanting me dead" at the start of the day. The only thing that MBL did was post a joke post ("passes the soup to Billy") which probably had more to do with the argument we were having in Clue 1 than in this game, yet BM took that as "wanting BT dead". This is stated in such a way that makes me thing BM knows exactly what the soup does - a Freudian slip, perhaps.

[Battle Mage]

rofl. this is the worst play ever. its pretty fucking obvious what i mean.
I targetted BillyT last night. He is town. Day begins, and i see MBL pushing him hard. Does that not strike me as suspicious?
then he fails to explain his suspicions.
I think he could well be scum, but having said that I really don't see why Jack-town would BW on logic that doesn't exist.

Can somebody who is paying attention PLEASE sort this game out!?!?

[Battle Mage]

rofl. why would i have a vendetta against you?
i've barely ever spoke to you. The only game i can recall, you acted indifferently towards me. Thats enough to make me consider you as good as a friend.
And yes i have considered the unlikelyness of you being scum in all 3 games. However, atm you are the best play in the 2 in which you are not already confirmed scum. However, i'm not beyond persuasion in this game, so go ahead and plead the case for who you think is scum.
BM

[Battle Mage]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, MBL is not suspicious for passing off the soup.


Therefor, I don't think he's at all the right play for today.

i dont think that was ever in question. its just that his comments, combined with his lurkiness, and a general vibe im getting from him, make me think he is a good place to start today.
So Al_Ko, who do you consider to be the right play for today?

[Battle Mage]

ok, thats a nice analysis, but i am curious as to why applying pressure to Billy is going to help us any more than applying pressure to others, when he is almost certainly town.

[Battle Mage]

Well, for one, I don't think he's almost certainly town. Hence the pressure, he might crack and give away scumtells. Or he might prove himself townie.

Vote: Billy

I still need to read closely on those other players, but I'm not sure I'll get a chance to before Thespival starts.

HELLO?
I got a town investigation on him...

[Battle Mage]

i had to claim it otherwise my confirmed innocent was going to orchestrate my own lynch :p

[Battle Mage]

Wow, this game is getting nowhere. Not unvoting BM atm. It's easy enough with a fake cop claim to claim an investigation on the person bringing an attack on you to get them to back off. Mostly I just haven't reread to get my bearing straight in this game. I'll try to do that this evening.

that makes little sense. You have been acting quite scummy today. what would i gain by claiming an innocent investigation on you?
your attitude confuses me.
BM

[Battle Mage]

why would i claim an investigation on you atall?
you've seriously lost the plot dude. I'll give you a day to think about what you are saying.

[Battle Mage]

OMFG. i'm seriously considering quitting this game. The few people who are bothering to post, are either deliberately playing ignorant, or just need to open their eyes when reading. Of course Billy is frigging town, i got a innocent investigation on him!!!!!
However, for some mad reason, he is insinuating that i faked an investigation on him with some kind of hidden agenda. I'm simply trying to explain in layman's terms that it is completely illogical, in addition to being totally untrue.

[Battle Mage]

Are you going crazy? Why would you say this then if you

did

investigate and get an innocent. This made it sound like you are saying you didnt.

why would i claim an investigation on you atall?
you've seriously lost the plot dude. I'll give you a day to think about what you are saying.

FFS. Basically BT is saying that i am fake claiming an innocent investigation on him, as he is the person most attacking me. However, not only was he not the person attacking me most, he has refused to note the lack of logic which sums up as: "why would i fake-claim an investigation on HIM atall?

What i'm trying to say is that his logic is total BS. Of course, i suck at explaining things nearly as much as you guys suck at understanding things. :p

[Battle Mage]

Alko is being far too logical and reasonable here.

IGMEOY

with reference to BT's question about my play as Cop, i generally end up claiming early. when i am town, i often get forced to claim early, because people assume me acting differently means that i am scum.

[Battle Mage]

Alko is being far too logical and reasonable here.

IGMEOY

Ok, I have to ask, cause I can't tell. Is this part serious?

Partially. of course, it falls neatly into 'Too Townie' Fallacy, so i'm not putting too much emphasis on it, but i am a little bit wary when, whilst townie BillyT is acting irrationally, and paranoid, you are acting in stark contrast. Luckily i'm so grateful for the injection of logical reasoning into the game, i'm not especially worried atm. However my gut instinct tells me that you are too cool about this.

[Battle Mage]

i'm ok with an MBL hammer. BT is likely to be his buddy.

[Battle Mage]

i'm ok with an MBL hammer. BT is likely to be his buddy.

Well, so much for your investigation on me being innocent, huh?

ah crap lol. getting confused between this and Clue Mafia 1.

[Battle Mage]

ok sure. I don't know who here actually knows anything about these films, but my role name is:

The Chief/Evangelist

.
If i get clearance from the Mod that i can paraphrase the flavour of my role pm, i will do so.

BM

I'm getting caught up, so hold on.

After a quick skim, I really don't like BM, because in his last post he stated that BillyTwilight could be the partner to MBL, despite supposedly having an earlier innocent investigation. I don't want to rehash the soup thing because it's silly to take an unknown variable THAT seriously, but I'm assuming that The Cook is responsible for the soup. Since BM gave the impression of knowing more than he was letting on about the soup, it is possible that he is the cook. However, he claimed to be the cop.

Now, when I first read the claim, I thought at first that BM was saying that he was The Cop, not a cop. The way I see it, if somebody counterclaimed, then he could then claim to be the character The Cop. Of course, TCS was The Cop, which I grant could still make BM the cop.

I need a reread.

In the meantime, BM said he would provide flavor if we wished it. I would wish it, but I'm not going to demand it from him without the rest of you agreeing.

[Battle Mage]

HC-thats Jacks normal play. its basically a null tell lol.

[Battle Mage]

i'm getting uneasy about this lol.

[Battle Mage]

MBL, who is scum in your opinion?

[Battle Mage]

just hammer plz.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote: MBL

Let's revive the game.

you didnt take alot of persuading. lol

[Battle Mage]

why the FoS Skruffy?

[Battle Mage]

ZInd, when I did vote counts, he told me to count votes and accusations as hte same thing.

Unaccuse

Accuse: MBL

There, that cinches it.
So why did we lynch him?

[Battle Mage]

bah, that sucks.
Although, at least we learnt one thing. The food is almost certainly good, and DoS should eat it for potential hidden powers!

[Battle Mage]

thats not very bright DoS. if you think something is going to harm you (and thus the town) it isnt a great plan to use it.

[Battle Mage]

i dont like the fact that a really scummy guy failed to be lynched, but i have an even greater dislike for the fact that somebody who appears 'unlynchable', failed to get NKed by the scum.

FoS: MBL

[Battle Mage]

BattleMage, do you have an investigation for us?

yes i do, but unfortunately it is of very little use.
Last night i targetted Skruffs. I did get a 'town' result, so i'm now certain that i am sane. Sadly this info isnt greatly useful today...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Hi, thanks for trying to kill me, scumbags, sorry it didn't take. If you check my wagon you may find a few people who attacked disproportionately, and they are ze killers.

In other words, I YAMMMMMMM AN INNOCEENT MAAAAAAAA-AAAANNNNN

I'm still more than a little confused as to why you didnt claim being unlynchable. Had you done so, we might have been able to lynch successfully yesterday.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i dont know how you came to that conclusion, but assuming it is true, there is probably a damn good reason why someone saved MBL. Thus we may need to rethink our stance towards him...
BM

[Battle Mage]

I've been prodded. I will not forget about this game, but neither will I focus on it when we have an end-game situation in Clue 3 and a dead-line in Clue 1.

wtf?
endgame situation in Clue 3? You've GOT to be kidding me.

Unvote, Vote: Dahen

[Battle Mage]

I've been prodded. I will not forget about this game, but neither will I focus on it when we have an end-game situation in Clue 3 and a dead-line in Clue 1.

wtf?
endgame situation in Clue 3? You've GOT to be kidding me.

Unvote, Vote: Dahen

A vote for his appraisal of the situation in another game? You've GOT to be kidding me

vote BM

Ectomancer-is there one game which we share in which you aren't voting for me?

[Battle Mage]

i dont really see an Ecto-vote here from what i recall of the game.

[Battle Mage]

is Skruffs in this game? or whoever it was who knows these films inside out?
these games are linked pretty closely to the films, so it would be helpful to know what could be out there in this game.

BM

[Battle Mage]

is Skruffs in this game? or whoever it was who knows these films inside out?
these games are linked pretty closely to the films, so it would be helpful to know what could be out there in this game.

BM

Hello?!

[Battle Mage]

If it's correct that BT went after BM before BM claimed that BT was his target, then that would speak against Ecto's theory. However, it's not impossible for a GF to act scummy on purpose to get an investigation and be cleared until town realizes that there is a GF, which could well be when it's too late for town.

There are several points in BT's post that I don't agree with. I'll state them in my next post.

pushing the GF argument on a confirmed innocent is in my experience, highly scummy. Vote stands.

[Battle Mage]

bad idea.

[Battle Mage]

Holy fuck, I forgot about this game. I'm going out of town until Sunday night, but I promise that I'll post something good on Sunday or Monday.

You can use LAL on me if I don't.

lol are you copying and pasting this into every one of your games?

[Battle Mage]

Ok, trash me for blatant game setup speculation here, but in trying to go back and refresh and look again at things, I noticed a few things. I watched the movie again about a month ago, and I noticed 2 things about this game and the other 2 as well.

MOS chose different dialogue to use at the beginning of each game. At first I thought it was random flavor, but I begin to wonder now. I re-read our intro scene tonight and it was the initial "killing" of Mr. Boddy. One significant version of that scene has Prof. Plum lie to everyone, telling them that Mr. Boddy was dead, when he really wasn't.
I tried to go back and see if anyone had claimed Prof Plum this game or not, but I dont have the time to continue tonight. I also believe I may have found a clue to verify 1, if not 2, name claims. FYI, this refers to in game clues, not trying to imply I have recieved any from the mod.

still waiting on this.

[Battle Mage]

Ok, trash me for blatant game setup speculation here, but in trying to go back and refresh and look again at things, I noticed a few things. I watched the movie again about a month ago, and I noticed 2 things about this game and the other 2 as well.

MOS chose different dialogue to use at the beginning of each game. At first I thought it was random flavor, but I begin to wonder now. I re-read our intro scene tonight and it was the initial "killing" of Mr. Boddy. One significant version of that scene has Prof. Plum lie to everyone, telling them that Mr. Boddy was dead, when he really wasn't.
I tried to go back and see if anyone had claimed Prof Plum this game or not, but I dont have the time to continue tonight. I also believe I may have found a clue to verify 1, if not 2, name claims. FYI, this refers to in game clues, not trying to imply I have recieved any from the mod.

still waiting on this.

I'll try to take a look at it tonight. I'm a born procratinator and nothing inspires it like a re-read...

1 week later, still no reply.
also, i believe the term is 'procrastinator'.

[Battle Mage]

ok, in the meantime,

Unvote, Vote: Ecto

maybe this will help remind you of your priorities.

[Battle Mage]

Ecto, you have 24 hours to post what you promised, or this goes back on.

Unvote

[Battle Mage]

ok

Unvote, Vote: Erg0

[Battle Mage]

meh

Unvote, Vote: CD

Im not feeling anything here atm. Just need to get this game moving.

BM

[Battle Mage]

sorry to disappoint guys but i investigated Erg0 for obvious reasons. Innocent, so i guess im sane.
Billy T is definitely town. I have a gut feeling MBL is scum. i wouldnt be surprised to see scum have 1 shot unlynchability, especially in a game with few scum as we seem to have. Ecto seems to be protesting a little too much.

That is all for now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

yep,

FoS: MBL

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage, what are those obvious reasons?

DoS, any resolution on the soup thing?

I had been told we had setup validation indicating that he was scum. Guess i was misinformed.

BT voters are lame. DoS followed way too easily into Ecto's trap.

Unvote, Vote: DoS

[Battle Mage]

killing BT makes very little sense. In fact, no sense whatsoever.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I was intrigued to see your comments about me. Just a few points of essential clarification.

Second, BM:
This is one of those cases where something is missing, and I can't figure out what. Look at his original claim in post #88. He claims "the Cop". I have never seen anyone claim cop this way in a closed setup, capitalized and preceded by the definitive article "the". I don't know why I didn't catch this before, but if you read it in the context of the game, it feels like he is name and role claiming as The Cop. HC pointed this out sometime later, which I missed until my reread, whereupon BM claimed IN BOLD

The Chief/Evangelist

. As far as I remember, he is the only person to have name-claimed in bold. I think it is very possible that BM originally intended to claim The Cop, but everyone took it as a typical cop claim. When TCS was revealed, BM had to about face and back away from the claim.

The major flaw with this logic is that:
1. I havent watched any 'Clue' Films, and hence havent the slightest idea who might be involved.
2. There is no reason why i would assume that 'The Chief/Evangelist' was not in the game already, hence its pretty unlikely that i'd voluntarily make a fakeclaim at that time, and of that nature.
3. Rolename is apparently only a loose indication of whether someone is town or scum. Why would i lie about something as scum which wouldnt give me away by telling the truth?

Now, that by itself is a pretty weak case, but we have to think about all of the coincidences involved with BM. He claimed cop on Day 1. He has managed to survive 3 nights. One of those night he had an investigated innocent that he didn't give up till I pushed him, and he then claimed I was his innocent in order to keep me from pushing for his lynch.

Hardly. Get a clue (haha i made a punny) dude. Why would someone having an innocent on you make you suspect them less? Equally, if i was scum, why would i push the view that someone pushing my lynch hard was confirmed innocent?
Please try and stick to the facts at least in your analysis of the players.

Since then he has managed to investigate 2 players who were killed on the nights of his investigations. Compare

AVIP #1

and

AVIP #2

. They read WAY too close to the same. They read like scum who was trying to not have to clear another town player in the game.

Thats more than a little weak. As scum, at LyLo with none of my buddies killed, why would i care about another confirmed innocent. I could always NK them the following night. Or claim an innocent on my buddy. Please try and look objectively, because you are stretching to a ridiculous extent here in order to try make something look scummier than it actually is.

I simply think he forgot what his excuse for not having an investigation on day 3 was, and fell back on what his intuition told him to do on day 4. Unfortunately for him, it looks like his intuition on day 4 was the same as on day 3, and he crafted (probably accidentally) almost the exact same kind of post for both days.

As Cop, you investigate someone you think is scummy. Its what ive done every night, and its hardly my fault that those players keep being killed.

There were zero deaths on N1, and 2 deaths apiece on N2 and N3. Two of those deaths were by stabbing, Skruffs and Erg0. The others were by deaths that were more in keeping with the movies (death by meatlocker, death by hanging). I think we can assume that Skruff's and Erg0's deaths were by the same party, probably a SK (death by knife is more in keeping with an SK, in my opinion), and the other 2 deaths were probably the work of teamscum. Not only did BM have investigations of 2 people who turned up dead, he had investigations of 2 people who were killed by the same party. I submit that it is possible that BM opened the thread at day break and saw there were 2 deaths. One by his group (if he is teamscum) and one by another. He instinctively wanted to distance himself from the kill that teamscum made, and saw a ready made opportunity to avoid having to give an innocent investigation to the town, and took it. Day 3 lasts forever, day 4 finally starts, and BM has to make the same decision again... but by this point he has forgotten that he already used this excuse at the beginning of day 3.

ROFL.
Remind me to bring this post up again after the game. When you are sober, it may well bring you to tears.

It makes sense

No it doesnt. lawl.

Will respond to the rest later, i really have to go out now.

BM

[Battle Mage]

As far as i can see, BillyT is bringing up a whole lot of 'maybe's', with no evidence to prove them, and people are lapping them up because they are either scum with victory in sight, or simply too lazy to make a case, and would clearly rather mindlessly BandWagon.
I could well already be dead, but theres no harm in responding to any outstanding points now, ftr.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I was intrigued to see your comments about me. Just a few points of essential clarification.

Second, BM:
This is one of those cases where something is missing, and I can't figure out what. Look at his original claim in post #88. He claims "the Cop". I have never seen anyone claim cop this way in a closed setup, capitalized and preceded by the definitive article "the". I don't know why I didn't catch this before, but if you read it in the context of the game, it feels like he is name and role claiming as The Cop. HC pointed this out sometime later, which I missed until my reread, whereupon BM claimed IN BOLD

The Chief/Evangelist

. As far as I remember, he is the only person to have name-claimed in bold. I think it is very possible that BM originally intended to claim The Cop, but everyone took it as a typical cop claim. When TCS was revealed, BM had to about face and back away from the claim.

The major flaw with this logic is that:
1. I havent watched any 'Clue' Films, and hence havent the slightest idea who might be involved.
2. There is no reason why i would assume that 'The Chief/Evangelist' was not in the game already, hence its pretty unlikely that i'd voluntarily make a fakeclaim at that time, and of that nature.
3. Rolename is apparently only a loose indication of whether someone is town or scum. Why would i lie about something as scum which wouldnt give me away by telling the truth?

1.) It takes about 2 seconds to Google the available roles in the Clue movies. Regardless of wither or not you have seen the movies, you can easily find out the names of the characters and pick one that you don't find likely to be in the game. Furthermore, The Chief/Evangelist might be your real rolename; it has already been shown that rolename/alliance connections cannot be made in these Clue games. However, at the time of your claim, which was very early in the game (back in May), it wasn't as clear yet if roles would have anything to do with names, and you could have been claiming The Cop assuming that everyone would take that as a town claim.

2.) I think it would have been a fairly safe assumption on your part that The Chief was not in these games. It's a very bit role in the movie (all the other roles revealed so far have been a good bit more crucial to the overall plot of the film than The Chief was) and no one in the other games had even hinted at The Chief being a "normal" role for these games, like say Professor Plum or The Cop.

3.) See the point I made in post #1. I wouldn't be surprised if you ARE The Chief, but at this point I'd be pretty surprised if you are a town-aligned cop. Again, it's not the claim of The Chief that bothers me, it's the original claim as "the Cop" that does. No one else has claimed a game mechanic before claiming a role name. It's very unusual. Everyone else has exclusively claimed something like "Mr. Green, tracker" or the like. My point is that I think you might have gotten careless early in the game; the fact that you claimed so early is evidence for this in the first place. Unsure of how name claims and role claims might have been viewed so early in the game could have led to this sort of nonchalant, very vague claim that you made early in the game. If your claim had come in day 3, when we had all figured out how these games work then it would be much more solid, IMO. The fact that it occurred at such an early stage in the game makes it much more likely that you might have claimed something different than your actual role.

Fair do's. Im not the Cop, but my flavour was correct. I am The Chief/Evangelist, Doctor. The original reason for lying was probably a mistake, as i was pretty scatty at the start of these games, and my rolename in another one was The Cop if i recall. Anyway, it worked out pretty well, as the scum chose not to risk wasting a kill on me, in case, i was protected. But as it looks like im dead anyway, i may aswell reveal all, even if it spoils the surprise at the end. :p
Then you cant blame me for not being honest at the end of the game. -.-

Now, that by itself is a pretty weak case, but we have to think about all of the coincidences involved with BM. He claimed cop on Day 1. He has managed to survive 3 nights. One of those night he had an investigated innocent that he didn't give up till I pushed him, and he then claimed I was his innocent in order to keep me from pushing for his lynch.

Hardly. Get a clue (haha i made a punny) dude. Why would someone having an innocent on you make you suspect them less? Equally, if i was scum, why would i push the view that someone pushing my lynch hard was confirmed innocent?
Please try and stick to the facts at least in your analysis of the players.

I'm saddened by your stubbornness on this point. I'd be much less worried about your alliance if you would admit to validity of my attack and then rebut it with facts from the game. If you are scum fake claiming cop, and you had furthermore claimed an innocent investigation, but not told who that person was, then it is possible that you would try to slow the attack of another player against you by trying to "gain their trust" and saying that your innocent investigation was of them. It's a genuine tactic, and not necessarily a bad one. It makes it much less likely that the person attacking you is going to keep coming after you if you've basically given them a ticket as "cleared" townie. I'm sure that this has happened before, probably multiple times, in the history of mafiascum. Just trying to laugh it off doesn't invalidate the point against you.

My reputation with power roles isnt awesome. See Mafia 61. I survived to endgame as a claimed Doc as a trap, because my protections were so poorly placed. Plus scum tend to fear wasting NK's because of Doc protection etc.
In case you didnt realise, i do genuinely have information strongly suggesting that you arent scum, being as i protected you on the first night, where we had fewer NK's (if any). It seemed pretty likely that you were targetted. Oh and btw, from a logical perspective, claiming an innocent on someone does not make them trust you more, unless they are a total newb, or anti-town themselves. Dont take this personally, but i still find your attack hilarious, because you are a fairly experienced player, and i cant believe you are coming out with this nonsense.

Since then he has managed to investigate 2 players who were killed on the nights of his investigations. Compare

AVIP #1

and

AVIP #2

. They read WAY too close to the same. They read like scum who was trying to not have to clear another town player in the game.

Thats more than a little weak. As scum, at LyLo with none of my buddies killed, why would i care about another confirmed innocent. I could always NK them the following night. Or claim an innocent on my buddy. Please try and look objectively, because you are stretching to a ridiculous extent here in order to try make something look scummier than it actually is.

The more people you confirm as innocent the harder it is to get a mislynch. You can't really lie in this case. First of all, we can't assume that we are in LyLO (though I think we are). We furthermore can't assume that you HAVE a partner left, although if you are teamscum I'd personally think it likely that you have a living partner. Furthermore, we can't assume that you aren't a SK. If you claim a guilty on someone and they get lynched and turn up town you will be lynched or night killed the next night. If you claim an innocent on your partner and he is night killed (assuming there are two anti-town killing roles in this game, which I find likely at this point) by another party wanting to keep the confirmed players at a minimum in the game, then you are lynched the next day. It's much safer to claim you investigation was on one of the players who died in the night. Everyone can typically buy that... once. It's happened to you twice.

IM A FECKING DOC! I didnt want to claim innocents on people who i didnt have innocents on, because that would be misleading.

I simply think he forgot what his excuse for not having an investigation on day 3 was, and fell back on what his intuition told him to do on day 4. Unfortunately for him, it looks like his intuition on day 4 was the same as on day 3, and he crafted (probably accidentally) almost the exact same kind of post for both days.

As Cop, you investigate someone you think is scummy. Its what ive done every night, and its hardly my fault that those players keep being killed.

There were zero deaths on N1, and 2 deaths apiece on N2 and N3. Two of those deaths were by stabbing, Skruffs and Erg0. The others were by deaths that were more in keeping with the movies (death by meatlocker, death by hanging). I think we can assume that Skruff's and Erg0's deaths were by the same party, probably a SK (death by knife is more in keeping with an SK, in my opinion), and the other 2 deaths were probably the work of teamscum. Not only did BM have investigations of 2 people who turned up dead, he had investigations of 2 people who were killed by the same party. I submit that it is possible that BM opened the thread at day break and saw there were 2 deaths. One by his group (if he is teamscum) and one by another. He instinctively wanted to distance himself from the kill that teamscum made, and saw a ready made opportunity to avoid having to give an innocent investigation to the town, and took it. Day 3 lasts forever, day 4 finally starts, and BM has to make the same decision again... but by this point he has forgotten that he already used this excuse at the beginning of day 3.

ROFL.
Remind me to bring this post up again after the game. When you are sober, it may well bring you to tears.

Laughing it off won't make it go away BM. You in a bad spot here. I'd feel much better about you if you admitted that things surrounding your play have been strange, and attempted to defend yourself, as opposed to just laughing it up.

I dont see how any of this constitutes a case...

It makes sense

No it doesnt. lawl.

Will respond to the rest later, i really have to go out now.

BM

Here is the summary of the strangeness around your play. Please actually address each one seriously:

1.) You claimed early. Page 4, at L-2, when there was no need to do so. This is more a trademark of panicking scum than panicking town.[/quote]

Doctor.

2.) Your the only person to have claimed a role without giving the rolename and at least a little flavor immediately, at least that I recall in all three Clue games (I was out pretty early in Clue 3 and didn't keep up with it really well, so this might not be true there).

I dont actually remember, but perhaps i misclaimed.

3.) You relied on town on day 2 with regards to what to do with your investigation. This is atypical in my experience of cop play from anyone other than newbies in newbie games. Usually the cop has already decided what to do with their information, and doesn't rely on the town to tell him what to do. Furthermore, you have insinuated several times that I am scum, whereupon you have reversed course when called on it, and said you were "confused" about which game we were in.

Ive done this in another game aswell. You act scummy, you attract suspicion. Besides, you were never TOTALLY confirmed town. Just highly likely.

4.) When you divulged your investigation, it came when you were under duress. And the person that you claim to have investigated just happened to be the person who was leading a charge to attempt to lynch you.

that'd be YOU right? omgus lawl. Ive already explained this several times.

5.) Your day 3 and day 4 investigations were both of players who died by knifing on the same night, giving no useful information to town. Furthermore, you posted almost the exact same thing about both of them, which goes to show your state of mind when making those posts. In my opinion, a real cop is less likely to fall into the repetition of the two posts that I have noted above. Someone playing cop usually puts some effort into deciding who they are going to investigate, and if on consecutive nights that player's investigatees turn up dead, I think there second time posting would have at least referenced the fact that two subsequent investigation netted no results for town and probably stated something about how incredulous they were at the fact that on consecutive nights the people they investigated had died.

Even if i was a Cop, this is VERY VERY weak. Could you possibly stretch anymore?

Your claim has been on wobbly legs all game, BM, and it's just getting worse. Laughing at people who point this out only makes it worse for you. Please refrain.

I think thats everything clarified. Now, who wants to lynch Ectomancer?
or as i call him, OBVSCUMANCER!

[Battle Mage]

Duh! Claiming Doc is perhaps the stupidest play ever. Clearly Claiming Cop achieved something-it prevented a mislynch, and apparently stopped me being NKed early on.
Anyway, i was town. Dumbest Lynch Ever.

BM

[Battle Mage]

You are claiming investigations as the Doctor and have the gall to ask who wants to lynch me?

I never claimed any results that i wasnt sure of. -.-

[Battle Mage]

BattleMage definitely screwed us in the end there.

you are shitting me!?
I was the Doc, forced to claim Day 1, and managed to survive 3 nights. Admittedly the BillyT thing was a fuck up, but even so, i turned an SK protown, and as we couldnt hit a single scumbag, i dont think me claiming an innocent on Billy made any sort of difference. -.-

And in fairness, i was right that by protecting BillyT, i stopped an NK. Just happens it was the SK kill. I cant quite believe we had such a large scumgroup at the end.

Well played guys, but i cant deny im kinda gutted.


BM