Mafia v. Wolves Redux: Finally Over!

[Battle Mage]

i agree that Raffles story concernijng yesterday doesnt exactly add up, but he seems like an easy lynch really. MoS does look a little panicky though, and the Xreyox vote isnt going anywhere.

Unvote, Vote: MoS

[Phoebus]

Vote count:

1 Battle Mage (theopor_COD)
1 DrippingGoofball (Akbar)
3 Mastermind of Sin (Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Raffles)

5 Raffles (Fuldu, Kison, Mastermind of Sin, Mr. Flay, spectrumvoid)

Not voting: 9

10 to lynch

[XReyoX]

i agree that Raffles story concernijng yesterday doesnt exactly add up, but he seems like an easy lynch really. MoS does look a little panicky though, and the Xreyox vote isnt going anywhere.

Unvote, Vote: MoS

Are you backing off because you couldn't answer my question?
>>"why do you think I know more than a pro-town player?" and " what kind of info you think I know which a pro-town player shouldn't?"

what do you mean by " xreyos vote isn't going anywhere"
if raffles story is concerning why don't you vote for him?
you think he is scum but he is an easy lynch so you dun want to vote him?
hidden message in your post: "my not a scum so I don't go for easy lynch"
is this what you what us to believe?

[XReyoX]

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[Battle Mage]

no-i didnt feel your question was of any importance. However, if you insist that i spend bandwidth answering it, here you go:

I think you know more than a protown player should, basically because of your responses to the flavour. You seem to have a pretty good idea of what it meant. for all i know you could be a protown power role, but scum seems more likely.
clearly my vote on you has gone ignored by the rest of the players. this doesnt exactly do you any favours as far as looking protown goes. Nonetheless, MoS DOES seem rather nervous at this stage. I am intrigued to see his reaction to another vote.
The reason i am not voting Raffles, is because i dont think scum-Raffles would have a wagon grwo so quickly on him. on the assumption that the wagon COULD be scum driven, i wont be joining it atm.
question for those who have played with Xreyox before:
Is he this aggressive as scum or town usually?
BM

i agree that Raffles story concernijng yesterday doesnt exactly add up, but he seems like an easy lynch really. MoS does look a little panicky though, and the Xreyox vote isnt going anywhere.

Unvote, Vote: MoS

Are you backing off because you couldn't answer my question?
>>"why do you think I know more than a pro-town player?" and " what kind of info you think I know which a pro-town player shouldn't?"

what do you mean by " xreyos vote isn't going anywhere"
if raffles story is concerning why don't you vote for him?
you think he is scum but he is an easy lynch so you dun want to vote him?
hidden message in your post: "my not a scum so I don't go for easy lynch"
is this what you what us to believe?

[XReyoX]

question for those who have played with Xreyox before:
Is he this aggressive as scum or town usually?

This is my first game. I've said it before. You can take a look at my other game but I'm not dead yet so I can't proove that I'm town with it. Its better to leave that game alone anyway.


I appologise if i appear too aggressive to you and is making this game unpleasent for you. I understand that being interrogated isn't a fun thing. However, I do not want vote/unvote go easy either. This would just benefit the scums and allow them to fester around. If you are town, no matter how hard I push, you won't have anything to panick about.

[Kison]

If he so wanted to hammer otu. One day before the deadline doesn't really make a different. Even if he claims, scum would just act as if they are not here and let the deadline come. otu will die anyway.

That's the thing. His unvoting could very well have been the result of knowing that his vote didn't matter at that point, despite his claim that he did not know of the minimum requirement to lynch.

On the subject of Mastermind of Sin. I agree his reaction to a single vote is pretty overly defensive, however, I fail to see where DrippingGoofball's theory that he is multitasking his votes is coming from, especially in XReyoX's case.

[Battle Mage]

well if this is your first game, and you are town, then you are doing very well. Your participation is good, your perceptiveness is top notch. Its probably part of the reason i find you so scummy-the fact that you seem too townie (cue someone bring up the wiki page) lol.

fyi, im not saying your aggressive nature is making the game unpleasant for me atm. Ive taken alot worse in these games
i had genuinely thought you could be scum. I am less inclined to believe this now, and am happy with my vote on MoS.

BM

question for those who have played with Xreyox before:
Is he this aggressive as scum or town usually?

This is my first game. I've said it before. You can take a look at my other game but I'm not dead yet so I can't proove that I'm town with it. Its better to leave that game alone anyway.


I appologise if i appear too aggressive to you and is making this game unpleasent for you. I understand that being interrogated isn't a fun thing. However, I do not want vote/unvote go easy either. This would just benefit the scums and allow them to fester around. If you are town, no matter how hard I push, you won't have anything to panick about.

[Shanba]

Aright. My thoughts and stuff on various people/stuff that has caught my eye.

Reyo's town. I'm almost certain of that. Looks very town to me. The early day 1 wagon on him was tosh, but then it was mostly a random wagon. Still, Kison has picked up scummy points for his reaction to it.

Battle Mage feels off to me. Most games I've seen him in (as pro-town) he's got an idea in his head and run with it bullheaded through any walls like common sense or proof that he's wrong that might stand in his way. This game he's much more opportunistic and widening his horizons, which is something I want to watch.

DGB is scummy and needs to contribute.

MoS is not scummy, and DGB's case is rubbish, frankly. Raffles is scummy, but I have a horrible gut feeling he's town.

Scarecrow is so scummy it's not funny. Seriously, look at his posts in isolation, he's not just lurking but casually agreeing with people while trying to avoid garnering any sort of attention. I can't wait to grill his replacement (though Remus wasn't much better, to be honest XD)

Akbar is pretty scummy. Needs to be watched, as is flying under the radar somewhat.
I also don't get how after his long post the conclusion he came to was a DGB vote. He presented in my opinion interesting cases on a couple of the others yet failed to even FoS them for it and also when discussing Scarecrow he provides little analysis but calls him a serial Killer then fails to follow through with a vote or a FoS. Note also early fishing for Reyo's role.

Fuldu has struck me as fairly pro-town, yet there is a connection between him and Reyo which is slightly worrying. If I'm wrong about one of them and they are scum I want to take a good look at the other too.

We need cattle prods of various people, namely wizardcat and ~N9V~, just to pick a couple of severe offenders off the top of my head.

To summarise:

Vote: Scarecrow, Heavy FoS: Akbar, FoS: DGB, IGMEOY: BM

Phew. Also I would note that I don't believe any of this night scene speculation is particularly helpful, and in fact distracting to the oal at hand, namely lynching scum.

Anything else you think I should look at/give my thoughts about/address then let me know.

[Battle Mage]

a justified analysis of me i must say, however if you play with me more, you will know that my games tend to have a 50-50 split:
Those in which i think i know who is scum and attack them like a bull on speed.
And Those in which i have no real clue who is scum, or games that i find hard to get into. This falls into the latter category with both reasons. honestly, its no real tell into my affiliation, but it does give a good indication of how much i care about the game lol.
BM

Aright. My thoughts and stuff on various people/stuff that has caught my eye.

Reyo's town. I'm almost certain of that. Looks very town to me. The early day 1 wagon on him was tosh, but then it was mostly a random wagon. Still, Kison has picked up scummy points for his reaction to it.

Battle Mage feels off to me. Most games I've seen him in (as pro-town) he's got an idea in his head and run with it bullheaded through any walls like common sense or proof that he's wrong that might stand in his way. This game he's much more opportunistic and widening his horizons, which is something I want to watch.

DGB is scummy and needs to contribute.

MoS is not scummy, and DGB's case is rubbish, frankly. Raffles is scummy, but I have a horrible gut feeling he's town.

Scarecrow is so scummy it's not funny. Seriously, look at his posts in isolation, he's not just lurking but casually agreeing with people while trying to avoid garnering any sort of attention. I can't wait to grill his replacement (though Remus wasn't much better, to be honest XD)

Akbar is pretty scummy. Needs to be watched, as is flying under the radar somewhat.
I also don't get how after his long post the conclusion he came to was a DGB vote. He presented in my opinion interesting cases on a couple of the others yet failed to even FoS them for it and also when discussing Scarecrow he provides little analysis but calls him a serial Killer then fails to follow through with a vote or a FoS. Note also early fishing for Reyo's role.

Fuldu has struck me as fairly pro-town, yet there is a connection between him and Reyo which is slightly worrying. If I'm wrong about one of them and they are scum I want to take a good look at the other too.

We need cattle prods of various people, namely wizardcat and ~N9V~, just to pick a couple of severe offenders off the top of my head.

To summarise:

Vote: Scarecrow, Heavy FoS: Akbar, FoS: DGB, IGMEOY: BM

Phew. Also I would note that I don't believe any of this night scene speculation is particularly helpful, and in fact distracting to the oal at hand, namely lynching scum.

Anything else you think I should look at/give my thoughts about/address then let me know.

[DrippingGoofball]

I found Shanba's post quite perplexing, in that it is laden with self-contradictions, unexplained accusations. So many "scummy" players, so few reasons.

Reyo's town. I'm almost certain of that. Looks very town to me.

Only scum is that certain someone is town.

Battle Mage feels off to me.

Is he, really?

DGB is scummy and needs to contribute.

I am contributing. Don't just say I am scummy. You have to give reasons. Otherwise, you look like a scumbag trying to spread suspicion around to confuse the town.

MoS is not scummy, and DGB's case is rubbish, frankly.

That's a pretty "definitive" statement, isn't it? It's getter curiouser and curiouser. MoS is not even a little bit scummy for his alarmed reaction to my "rubbish" case?

Raffles is scummy, but I have a horrible gut feeling he's town.

Again. You can't just declare someone is scummy, without spelling out the reason. How did you come to this conclusion? Where does the "gut feeling" come from? Why is that gut feeling "horrible?"

Scarecrow is so scummy it's not funny. Seriously, look at his posts in isolation, he's not just lurking but casually agreeing with people while trying to avoid garnering any sort of attention.

At least, you provide a reason. Five points for you.

Akbar is pretty scummy.

Sheesh, another scummy player? Though I agree with your reasoning on this one, your multiple-pronged attack on so many players still is quite strange.

Fuldu has struck me as fairly pro-town, yet there is a connection between him and Reyo which is slightly worrying.

More scum? Ugh? You're worried about an association that involves a player you believe is pro-town?

[XReyoX]

Shanba's accussation is weakly supported. most of them are" he looks scummy. Yes, he does look very scummy. full stop."

I'm not sure about the "reyo is town for certain" thing. If we are in a game with 1 scum group only, then this would be a point in favor that he is a scum. But in a game with at least 2 scum group.... I'm not sure. Cos I know that no one can be sure that others would be town/scum.

I don't see my connection with fuldu either. mind pointing out?

However I agree with shanba that DGB is not contributing much. Shanba has missed that people like wizardcat/n9v aren't also talking much. Surely if he is picking on lurky people, they would have fallen into this catergory as well.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Nope, but if you leave things to fester, even baseless arguments such as yours can become a bandwagon.

There was one post against you (mine) and one vote against you (mine). If my argument is baseless, what are the chances that it swells into a full-blown bandwagon? Pretty remote, don't you think? So I have to wonder about the over-reaction. You really took me aback. Like, whoa! Did I touch a raw nerve? A scummy raw nerve?

You haven't played with me much if you think I just ignore baseless arguments against me. Nice try, though.

[Mastermind of Sin]

@MoS. How does raffles being a scum makes DGB oneas well?

Because DGB is trying to stir up suspicion against the person that is most proactively attacking Raffles. If Raffles is scum, this makes DGB look pretty bad tomorrow.

[Mastermind of Sin]

MoS is not scummy, and DGB's case is rubbish, frankly.

That's a pretty "definitive" statement, isn't it? It's getter curiouser and curiouser. MoS is not even a little bit scummy for his alarmed reaction to my "rubbish" case?

I'm hardly alarmed. Taken aback is more like it. I'm completely taken aback that someone could possibly believe the arguments you posted against me, being that they are indeed rubbish. It seems to be a trend in all my games right now.

[XReyoX]

That's a pretty "definitive" statement, isn't it? It's getter curiouser and curiouser. MoS is not even a little bit scummy for his alarmed reaction to my "rubbish" case?

I dun see MoS is scummy for his reaction to your case atm. And stop making rubbish cases. It's very difficult to distinguish who are scums when everyone start throwing out rubbish accussation. When all the towns are making good cases but a scum chuck out some rubbish, trying to twist a situation, it is easy to spot the difference and the intention behind. When everyone is talking rubbish, it makes it very hard to analyse.

[Battle Mage]

OR, in light of this comment, it makes you look bad, for blatantly bussing your buddy.

@MoS. How does raffles being a scum makes DGB oneas well?

Because DGB is trying to stir up suspicion against the person that is most proactively attacking Raffles. If Raffles is scum, this makes DGB look pretty bad tomorrow.

[Raffles]

5votes... interesting.

@Flay and Reyo - the confusion with voting system was with Mr. Flay's deadline system. I didn't know that was unique to just him.

DGB: If I die today, and contray to whatever MoS say - regardless of whether I show up as a scum or not, you'd be in a very bad position tommorrow. If I'm a scum, MoS will hound your ass. If I'm a townie, I'm sure MoS will find a way to go after you for crap reason non-the-less. I don't think it's a scummy play what you did, a scum would quite happily join my wagon saying "oh I 100% agree with MoS". MoS hounding Reyo I believe is rather misplaced. But I don't think it's scummy.

@Reyo: I have discussed this thing with Mr. Flay on D1. Even if I do research anyone else on D1, I would have to come up with a blindingly obvious case to lynch someone on D1 before the deadline. So me being lazy, I didn't really bother. I went through this thing about no lynch or possibly-townie-lynch too.

[Raffles]

@Shanba - I'm dissapointed that you've missed out some of the most active players in the game.

[Kison]

If I'm a scum, MoS will hound your ass. If I'm a townie, I'm sure MoS will find a way to go after you for crap reason non-the-less. I don't think it's a scummy play what you did, a scum would quite happily join my wagon saying "oh I 100% agree with MoS". MoS hounding Reyo I believe is rather misplaced. But I don't think it's scummy.

Not scummy? Well, look at it through our eyes. You pick up a bunch of votes rather quickly, and DGB tries to make a case against MoS with faulty information. My initial reaction was that he was trying to sidetrack a wagon on you, though I personally believe that he did a very bad job at it. His argument has thus far been unconvincing, and continued aggression towards MoS with lack of support only reinforcing to that sentiment.

[Raffles]

Why would a scum feel the need to sidetrack a wagon? You know, as much as I

do

look scummy, I'm not proven so just yet, so you can't go about saying she is my scumbuddy.

[Kison]

Why would a scum feel the need to sidetrack a wagon? You know, as much as I

do

look scummy, I'm not proven so just yet, so you can't go about saying she is my scumbuddy.

Why would they feel need to sidetrack it? Possibly to save you? Because if, let's say, you are ESE, having you die today would be a second member lost. If you do indeed come up scum, DGB's actions would

look

like he was trying to move votes over to MoS in attempt to save you.

[DrippingGoofball]

[DGB's] argument has thus far been unconvincing, and continued aggression towards MoS with lack of support only reinforcing to that sentiment.

Continued aggression? Haha. Read again. It's not aggression, you will see clearly, but an expression of surprise at MoS's over-reaction. I am merely wondering why he gets his knickers in a twist for so very little pressure. Hardly what I'd call "building a case." One person, one vote. I merely felt that his actions were opportunistic, and worth a little poke. I didn't expect MoS to get all defensive.

He may or may not be scum, but he's on my watch list, for sure.

[DrippingGoofball]

Why would they feel need to sidetrack it? Possibly to save you?

I chose not to vote for Raffles, who had not that many votes, but to cast a vote on MoS, who had no votes, based on my observations of opportunism. I expected my action to be ignored, and I think, under most circumstances, it would have been. So there was no intention of "sidetracking" - especially since Raffles' behavior warrants being wagoned to the point that the scum (or at least one scum group) is getting a free ride, so to speak.

MoS's odd over-reaction, however, created an illusion that I am a stubborn pitbull building a case against him, when nothing could be further from the truth. I have made my observation about him, cast my vote, and in later posts, expressed surprise at MoS's reaction. That's all there is to it.

[Kison]

[DGB's] argument has thus far been unconvincing, and continued aggression towards MoS with lack of support only reinforcing to that sentiment.

Continued aggression? Haha. Read again. It's not aggression, you will see clearly, but an expression of surprise at MoS's over-reaction. I am merely wondering why he gets his knickers in a twist for so very little pressure. Hardly what I'd call "building a case." One person, one vote. I merely felt that his actions were opportunistic, and worth a little poke. I didn't expect MoS to get all defensive.

He may or may not be scum, but he's on my watch list, for sure.

And I also noticed the over-reaction, but MoS is almost always irritable from my experience with him. However, what was with the idea that he is going after Raffles & XReyoX simultaneously when he seems to be focusing only on Raffles while working

with

XReyoX? Maybe it's not a case -yet- but it looks like the beginning stages of one, and with what seems to me to be an untrue statement.