Graveyard Shift Mafia - ROLL CREDITS

[The Critic]

It is currently a Day Shift.

~Jordan’
AGar
Bird and Beast
Brian Skies
ika
infinite jesters
MrZepher
Serene2
Svenskt Stal
Venmar
Zdenek

Episode 2, Shift A.7 (Day), VC 1

Dry-fit (2) - Bird and Beast, AGar
Bird and Beast (2) - Serene2, Venmar

Not Voting (16): ~Jordan', Brian Skies, ika, infinte jesters, MrZepher, Svenskt Stal, Zdenek, Aronis, BROseidon, Dry-fit, FourteenPointFive, hiplop, iamausername, PeregrineV, The Goat, xRECKONERx

With 20 alive, it is 11 to lynch.

The Shift will switch in (expired on 2014-04-17 23:00:00).
The Episode will end in (expired on 2014-05-01 23:00:00).

[MrZepher]

what's interesting is that BnB pushed hard for the agar lynch

and agar is completely uninterested in lynching BnB.

but they're both going for obviscum dry-fit.

[Brian Skies]

Thegoat continues to be town by giving Zoraster the chance to hammer himself and not realizing that could happen.

Maybe. Still irritating.

I'm paranoid as hell about Brian although probably shouldnt be.

This is AP right? Why is this a thing between us?

Ugh, mirror mirror on the wall. Who's the scummiest fuck of them all.

VOTE: Dry-fit.

What happened to the Agar read you and Mollie were so proud of Episode 1?

I mean, there's still at least one scum in our shift.

vote: birdandbeast

Still needs rope.

Find me some scum and I might consider helping you lynch BnB.

And no. I have no shame making deals with lynchers/usurpers.

I don't believe your "WHY U SO SAME SHIFT" crap when the rules plainly state that they stay the same for 8 shifts

I actually thought the shifts were going to change at the beginning of each episode. I'm apparently not reading the rules either.

:shrugs:

despite that reaction being that Im skeptical about everything you do (correctly) because you are known/claimed bullshitters.

Confirmed claimed bullshitters. We've already established this the previous episode.

Somehow serene is able to pressure BnB.

What pressure? All Serene has been doing is trying to find ways to lynch BnB.

Would be happier is Brian had mentioned Zoraster in 637.

VOTE: Logical Duality

Last post is scummy, plus anonymous heads.

Really? I'm not seeing it.

?

I mean, yeah sure. I didn't really comment much on the Titus/Zoraster interactions (I was never interested in the night shift to begin with). But I'm pretty sure I at least called Zoraster out on his vote.

Brian is town as fuck and never to be lynched

I don't know how I feel about being obvtowned by a claimed lyncher/usurper.

I could maybe try to point out things Brian said yesterday that made me uneasy

what's interesting is that BnB pushed hard for the agar lynch

and agar is completely uninterested in lynching BnB.

but they're both going for obviscum dry-fit.

You think dry-fit is obvscum but the sudden wagon (regardless of the alignments of the aforementioned players) doesn't excite you?

[Serene2]

Find me some scum and I might consider helping you lynch BnB.

And no. I have no shame making deals with lynchers/usurpers.

deal

[Svenskt Stål]

Brian,

What I meant was that BnB seemed overall defensive in the exchange, which I find strange considering how bad serene looks from day 1.

[Svenskt Stål]

Union log

Spoiler: Shift Data

Player	Day 1
~Jordan'	Day
AGar	Day
Bird and Beast	Day
Brian Skies	Day
ika	Day
infinte jesters	Day
MrZepher	Day
Serene2	Day
Svenskt Stal	Day
Venmar	Day
Zdenek	Day
Aronis	Night
BROseidon	Night
Bry-fit	Night
FourteenPointFive	Night
hiplop	Night
iamausername	Night
Logical Duality	Night
PeregrineV	Night
The Goat	Night
xRECKONERx	Night
zoraster	Night

Spoiler: Claims, Flips and Actions

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Player	Claim	Post	Flip	Claimed actions	Confirmed actions
~Jordan'
AGar
Bird and Beast
Brian Skies
ika	Vanilla Town	http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5794842
infinite jesters	Lover with Sven	http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5794872
MrZepher
Serene2
Svenskt Stal	Lover with infinite jesters	http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5794872
Venmar
Zdenek
Aronis
BROseidon	Innocent child		Innocent child
Bry-fit
FourteenPointFive
hiplop
iamausername
Logical Duality	1 shot Cop	http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5807968	1 shot Cop		Guilty on Zoraster A2
PeregrineV
The Goat
xRECKONERx
zoraster			Mafia goon

I still cant get the colors to work, I want to color code the flips and sort the errors in the first part, any help would be appriciated.

[Svenskt Stål]

BnB,

What is your case on dry-fit right now? Please summarize why I should vote for dry-fit.

Also, does one of you read him well?

[Svenskt Stål]

Pretty sure peregrinev is town. I base this mostly on his interactions with zoraster.

Oh shit.

Just did a Goat iso and I think there is no game content.

No, a little bit.

Random thoughts through the quick read through of the first six pages:

1) BirdAbdBeast is mildly psychotic. I like.

2) I would prefer to deal with the Pirate Mollie head of the Infinite Jesters hydra.

3) Agar appears to have done something that I felt pressured to do on occasion at MS. Basically, those rom other, more casual sites can wander in here and get chewed the hell up because they're used to fluff posting. So they start OVERanalyzing everything.

Unless, of course, he was FEIGNING the need to overanalyze. This requires further analysis.

Hmm. Or, maybe, it was genuine town concern, and he just freaked the hell out.

I will not be voting Agar.

vote: BirdAndBeast

we are lovers with sven

do you see him working with us?

serene was way too quick to give that town read IMO

serene is scum. so is sven.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh...

(Agar is, though.)

jesus christ look at who is trying to be protown

AGAR
SVEN
SERENE

So you out us as lovers ... and you want to lynch me, which would kill you. Good job. Or am I missing some logic here?

All, I would be down with a BandB lynch, I am leaning town

but I dont care, the spamming is just too much

. I knew mastin was a clown player without skill but I am suprised to AP sinking into mastins filth.

Still dont understand the Agar votes, it seems like on this site "if someone is being towny" he has to be "scum".

I also like mr Zphers start.

Please don't do this. If memory serves, voting someone for potential town behavior is contradictory to everything you stand for.

Good God. It is incredibly difficult to separate meta from play in this game. I still like my vote, but...Titus, a question:

You stated that you wanted to remain anonymous because you were concerned about an overabundance of scummy PMs giving people a biased read on you. Please pardon the paraphrasing, By PMs, do you mean that you're frequently roled as scum lately, and are concerned that people would think you more likely to be scum because of that?

Wow.

So...zoraster, you're suggesting that LD decided to out himself as a cop to run a gambit with you in the hopes of getting scum reads?

Also this post regarding The goat is pretty fucking good and something I completely agree with.

[Svenskt Stål]

I didn't read the most recent night shift. I will eventually. I saw Zor self-hammer.

Do scum lynchers exist? Like, can serene be scum but still be a lyncher to bb or would that not make sense?

A usurper/godfather would be similar mechanically but that would pretty much seal Serene's fate once BandB theoretically flipped GF.

omg fuck this shit

vote birdshit

This is a quick departure from, well, everything you've done this game.

Serene/BandB still doesn't exactly excite me.

VOTE: Dry-Fit

Still would love to see him dead. Have to read the most recent night shift but I'm feeling pretty safe assuming he did jack shit productively and basically just skirted the fact that he hadn't even mentioned Zoraster other than voting him. Y'know, scummy shit that scumbuddies who don't want associative tells to lead back to them would do.

You have a problem with BnB but you are willing to lynch the person he is tunneled in on?

[BirdAndBeast]

This is AP right? Why is this a thing between us?

Its mostly just a me thing. But your recent posts are making me feel warm and fuzzy inside again. DGB could tell you all about Statefarm Mafia

What happened to the Agar read you and Mollie were so proud of Episode 1?

Agar isn't really a townread. I just see shinier things like Venmar not looking town, Zdenek being questionable (and mastin actually agreeing with me there) and Serene.

What is your case on dry-fit right now? Please summarize why I should vote for dry-fit.

Its in my ISO, I know somebody went through and called my case shit/construed at one point. Im sure I have more up-to-date things to say now, but I realllllly need to do RL things today and not play this game ugh.

-IDK man he just feels self-aware in his posts. And I realize that is super vague.
-He thinks my reaction to Serene's claim was bad. Uh? Ya he needs to justify that.
-Didn't like a lot of the angles he went after (like his post on Hiplop A2).
-Actually now that I think about it, Zora flip may make him look less bad but I need to read back.
-Is Jordan still in this game or what?
-Ok Im not even talking about Dry-fit anymore.

[AGar]

what's interesting is that BnB pushed hard for the agar lynch

and agar is completely uninterested in lynching BnB.

I've been misread before. I don't bristle when town players misread me.

You also just pointed out that - unless you think Serene is fakeclaiming - there's minimal chance that BandB is scum.

So keep trying to paint that paranoia!

@Stal

In the hiplop, iaaun, Reck and Zor rows, you don't close the color tags and from 14.5 down you don't add the extra cell you have present in the top half of the table.

You have a problem with BnB but you are willing to lynch the person he is tunneled in on?

The only "problem" I've had with BnB since the start of the game is that they've been wrong in reading me and posting a fuckton more than necessary. I've never felt they were scum. And I've been honed in on Dry-Fit since, oh I don't know, the start of A.3? Are you even reading my posts or just cherry picking what you can?

[Zdenek]

Well thats not extremely unexpected in hindsight

Why?

Thegoat continues to be town by giving Zoraster the chance to hammer himself and not realizing that could happen.

This is really an unbelievable reason to town read someone.

Strongly reconsidering my stance on BirdAndBeast

YAY!

But do you really think that was a lyncher claim?
And if so, do you think there's a lyncher in the game with a scum target?

BB's basically confirmed town until we have reason to think otherwise.
Serene is an enigma to me.

Could you explain how these are related?

Do scum lynchers exist? Like, can serene be scum but still be a lyncher to bb or would that not make sense?

Multiple win-cons are very unlikely.

I mean, yeah sure. I didn't really comment much on the Titus/Zoraster interactions (I was never interested in the night shift to begin with). But I'm pretty sure I at least called Zoraster out on his vote.

Fine, something more interesting than that would have made me happier.

[MrZepher]

I don't know if I need to take Serene's claim(s) seriously enough to assume BnB is town.

The only way I can see Serene being scum (and trying so hard for BB) if there's a rolecop on the scumteam and they figure BnB is important enough to sacrifice Serene. I'm really not buying the lyncher claim.
In most cases I can think of BnB would have to be town, but Serene can be town or scum. Unless I'm blatantly missing something.

The only exception is if Serene's insane parity cop claim was actually true which could make BB scum.
but Serene's now claiming lyncher. Idk what to do about them.

what's interesting is that BnB pushed hard for the agar lynch

and agar is completely uninterested in lynching BnB.

but they're both going for obviscum dry-fit.

You think dry-fit is obvscum but the sudden wagon (regardless of the alignments of the aforementioned players) doesn't excite you?

existential crisis.

I'm waiting for mastin actually.

[Svenskt Stål]

This is AP right? Why is this a thing between us?

Its mostly just a me thing. But your recent posts are making me feel warm and fuzzy inside again. DGB could tell you all about Statefarm Mafia

What happened to the Agar read you and Mollie were so proud of Episode 1?

Agar isn't really a townread. I just see shinier things like Venmar not looking town, Zdenek being questionable (and mastin actually agreeing with me there) and Serene.

What is your case on dry-fit right now? Please summarize why I should vote for dry-fit.

Its in my ISO, I know somebody went through and called my case shit/construed at one point. Im sure I have more up-to-date things to say now, but I realllllly need to do RL things today and not play this game ugh.

-IDK man he just feels self-aware in his posts. And I realize that is super vague.
-He thinks my reaction to Serene's claim was bad. Uh? Ya he needs to justify that.
-Didn't like a lot of the angles he went after (like his post on Hiplop A2).
-Actually now that I think about it, Zora flip may make him look less bad but I need to read back.
-Is Jordan still in this game or what?
-Ok Im not even talking about Dry-fit anymore.

I read your iso regarding dry-fit, i just wanted the boiled down version. I also reread dry-fits iso. I also skimmed a few games of him, one in which mastin read him wrong and got him misslynched.

You say "super vague" about your feel, yet yesterday you used said "He is just scum" or something like that, seeming very sure of your read.

Considering that you actually dont have much of case, and that mastin has read him wrong in the past, dont you two think you should stop trying to get dry-fit lynched?

[Zdenek]

The only way I can see Serene being scum (and trying so hard for BB) if there's a rolecop on the scumteam and they figure BnB is important enough to sacrifice Serene. I'm really not buying the lyncher claim.
In most cases I can think of BnB would have to be town, but Serene can be town or scum. Unless I'm blatantly missing something.

Serene being town, but full of shit?
That would have no bearing on BnB's alignment.

[MrZepher]

I don't know if I need to take Serene's claim(s) seriously enough to assume BnB is town.

[Svenskt Stål]

what's interesting is that BnB pushed hard for the agar lynch

and agar is completely uninterested in lynching BnB.

I've been misread before.

I don't bristle when town players misread me.

You also just pointed out that - unless you think Serene is fakeclaiming - there's minimal chance that BandB is scum.

So keep trying to paint that paranoia!

@Stal

In the hiplop, iaaun, Reck and Zor rows, you don't close the color tags and from 14.5 down you don't add the extra cell you have present in the top half of the table.

You have a problem with BnB but you are willing to lynch the person he is tunneled in on?

The only "problem" I've had with BnB since the start of the game is that they've been wrong in reading me

and posting a fuckton more than necessary. I've never felt they were scum. And I've been honed in on Dry-Fit since, oh I don't know, the start of A.3? Are you even reading my posts or just cherry picking what you can?

God man. Couldnt you have fixed it lol. But thanks anyway.


Regarding the bolded parts, I dont get how they add up. First you say that town can missread you and its no biggie, later you say that your problem with him is that he missread you?

[Zdenek]

I don't know if I need to take Serene's claim(s) seriously enough to assume BnB is town.

I can't tell what that sentence means.

[MrZepher]

Serene could be full of shit but I don't know that.

i said it that, but took the long way around.

[Zdenek]

Okay, but then what does that have to do with BnB's alignment?

[BirdAndBeast]

Why?

IDK, keeping Serene on the same shift as me/jordan makes a ton of sense. Not moving people around sort of limits information that can be gathered from moving people. It could also limit PRs who have to act on the same shift.

This is really an unbelievable reason to town read someone.

Meh. Goat is town for many reasons.

You say "super vague" about your feel, yet yesterday you used said "He is just scum" or something like that, seeming very sure of your read.

Yes, I mean that the CASE I just wrote for you was "super vague". I still think hes scum, I just havent really gotten to explaining why recently.

Regarding the bolded parts, I dont get how they add up. First you say that town can missread you and its no biggie, later you say that your problem with him is that he missread you?

Except he put "problem" in quotes, so I dont see how this is inconsistent? He clearly said that he DOESNt have any issues with us outside of that and clearly said that is a minor issue at most.

If I pretend to be mastin, will Agar fall for it and spill what hes waiting on mastin for?

[Svenskt Stål]

In Anything goes, modded by our mod, this was a role


MollaDoni [Spring Awakening], Scum Traitor Usurper, Lynched D2

I think his wincondition was to lynch a specific scum player.

[Svenskt Stål]

BnB,

Regarding Agar, I agree that it can be a minor thing, I also think my understanding of "briskle" is subpar.

[Svenskt Stål]

SOrry for spamming the thread.

BnB,

Can we also try to iron out The goat this shift? If you and I sort dry-fit and The goat I will be a happy camper.

[Zdenek]

In Anything goes, modded by our mod, this was a role


MollaDoni [Spring Awakening], Scum Traitor Usurper, Lynched D2

I think his wincondition was to lynch a specific scum player.

Anything goes was a bastard game, so I'm not sure how relevant this is.
Correct me if I'm wrong.