The Reckoning III (Math is Hard) Holy crap, perfect town win

[Gammagooey]

would bet small amounts of money on Arrogance being one of the last two scum after how fucked pie got during it
beer pong would make the most sense as the last imo

and the 5 mislynches only ever goes down if a vig hits correctly- around 4-6 mislynches for scum to win and 4 correct lynches+*dealing with a survivor* for town to win seems pretty fine, especially given that town are basically down two more votes than normal the entire game because of the survivor+iec (unless he's scum in which case 5 is fine too i guess)

[xRECKONERx]

Four scum means:

D1: 4:15
D2: 4:13
D3: 4:11
D4: 4:9
D5: 4:7
D6: 4:6 aka MYLO

That's if we mislynch every day AND scum kills successfully every night. That's stupid.

[Gammagooey]

you're completely ignoring the survivor and the autohammerer that makes lylo not actually lylo and that vig shots are not likely to hit scum at all

but actually this is dumb because who cares unless you think iec or someone else is scum/not scum because of it

reck explain your read on axxle for me

[Your New Gay Overlords]

Still don't like the Nuwenwagon, even if it is an Antihero wagon now.

However, I've been pretty wrong this whole game so let's assume I'm wrong now, too.

VOTE: Antihero

my knuckles hurt very bad and switching accounts is hard, so this is happening for a bit

magua please no stop it's not me oh what is wrong with you

dear reck

6 scum and a survivor in a 19 player setup is

real

dumb

like possibly nearly controlling the lynch on day 2 dumb

4 makes the most sense, 5 i think would only be possible if iec was scum and waffles and ythan are both town to have vig shots and a basically non-voting scum balance it out and even then still doesn't seem likely to me, just possible.

6 scum would be 6:13 which is actually bad, yeah. I forgot there was a survivor. 5:13 seems fine though... basic balance says 1:3 ratio, so the issue is that 4:14:1 is really town sided. Scum would need FIVE mislynches at minimum without losing any of their own. I guess things like a BP and auto hammer and Miller could balance it out but...it still seems like a stretch. 5:13:1 actually works if there is a weak scum team.



Actually, has anyone else noticed the mafia are all drinking games so far? Circle of Death and Roxanne are flipped...what else could we possibly have? Fuck the Dealer, Bus Driver, Beer Pong? Did we play any other games? Using the Roxanne game as flavor seems like stretching it since we only played it once, which suggests a larger mafia team

Four scum means:

D1: 4:15
D2: 4:13
D3: 4:11
D4: 4:9
D5: 4:7
D6: 4:6 aka MYLO

That's if we mislynch every day AND scum kills successfully every night. That's stupid.

[Your New Gay Overlords]

you're completely ignoring the survivor and the autohammerer that makes lylo not actually lylo and that vig shots are not likely to hit scum at all

but actually this is dumb because who cares unless you think iec or someone else is scum/not scum because of it

reck explain your read on axxle for me

I thought Axxle was lurky and his content was gross D1. But then he was like the ONLY person who actually gave me reasons as to why he was coming after me or thought I was scum, and everyone else just thumbed their nose at it, so I figured he could be town for now.

That's pretty much it.

[Your New Gay Overlords]

also I now remembered via ISO that Nuwen actually white knighted the fuuuuck out of mollie and called Faraday out for being generally AFK while the mollie lynch was happening and that seemed like a town thing to do so yeah.

[Your New Gay Overlords]

okay well here's my thing:

if we have utility lynches to burn they need to be on Iec (he CANNOT be alive late game and he's been really derpy) and/or maybe mollie because it seems like she has a genetic inability to read this game

can we just compromise on the gays and be done with it?

I'm still waiting on you to actually give a reason for wanting us dead this late in the game.

[InflatablePie]

Something I noticed... Dan's self-vote was very weird and forced and Gamma piled on quickly afterwards.

Are you seriously playing

directly into

EagleKit's

ActionDan's hand

?

They were

He was going down, of COURSE

they'd claim a guilty

he'd self-hammer for ultimate WIFOMs and hope it did enough to make us paranoid after

they were

he was gone.

to be fair.

---

someone said something about a 'jeep tell' and I don't remember what that is.

@gamma: I'm confused by parts of 2504 so I'll let the coffee sink in and see if it makes more sense later. to answer why I think it can come from scum: basically I think it's kind of a fake reaction. it came off as a forced 'playing dumb' reaction which is a good move for scum to do under pressure (the alternative being to panic, obvs bad).

[Your New Gay Overlords]

Man, I swear to god UT is a traitor or something. Good god. I keep forgetting he's actually got an innocent claimed on him -- that's how scummy he is.

In any case, I feel as though Cheery Dog is actually the correct lynch today?

VOTE: Cheery Dog

Reasons:
#1) He fits in the category of people who never voted for scum.
#2) Gamma got a message trying to tie Cheery Dog's alignment to Waffles. This is likely FROM SCUM trying to nail a townie to the floor with a buddy lynch.
#3) Look at his face.

[Your New Gay Overlords]

Something I noticed... Dan's self-vote was very weird and forced and Gamma piled on quickly afterwards.

Are you seriously playing

directly into

EagleKit's

ActionDan's hand

?

They were

He was going down, of COURSE

they'd claim a guilty

he'd self-hammer for ultimate WIFOMs and hope it did enough to make us paranoid after

they were

he was gone.

to be fair.

...no.

One is a specifically strategic call to

play against your win condition

and there's got to be a reason for that.

The other is something dying scum left behind

for the sole purpose of WIFOM

and we already know the reason for that.

Regardless, neither path seems to be a fruitful one to venture down.

[A Simple Math Problem]

Vote Count 3.06

Your New Gay Overlords

(0)

Iecerint

(0)

Cheery Dog

(2) pirate mollie, Your New Gay Overlords

Untrod Tripod

(0)

Gammagooey

(0)

InflatablePie

(0)

Antihero

(3)

Untrod Tripod, Ythan, InflatablePie

Ythan

(0)

Axxle

(1) Gammagooey

Sir Waffles Wafflington

(0)

pirate mollie

(1) Cheery Dog

Magua

(0)

~Jordan

(2) Magua, Axxle

Not Voting

(4) Iecerint, Antihero, Sir Waffles Wafflington, ~Jordan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: April 24th @ 1PM Commune Time

V/LA:

mollie on weekends

[Your New Gay Overlords]

So yeah. Voting Cheery Dog. Other people I'd vote today include: Axxle, Jordan, possibly Magua as an outlier, possibly Pie as an outlier

[Untrod Tripod]

man reck

your attempts at discrediting me are kind of pathetic. eat a dick.

all of the posting you've done today smacks of IIoA, and your frequent "show me the case" calls are not great either. you're TOWNTELLING axxle because he said you're scum? a ton of your given reads are "yeah this but I dunno maybe not lol"

this is horseshit. we need to lynch the gays. and I want the hammer.

[Untrod Tripod]

last time I checked it's pretty scummy to try to discredit the reads of THE CONFIRMED TOWN PLAYERS but maybe I'm old fashioned that way :3

[Gammagooey]

Reasons:
#1) He fits in the category of people who never voted for scum.
#2) Gamma got a message trying to tie Cheery Dog's alignment to Waffles. This is likely FROM SCUM trying to nail a townie to the floor with a buddy lynch.
#3) Look at his face.

#2 probably makes very slightly more sense to you than it does to me since you think there's 3 scum left instead of 2 but are you aware that you pushing a lynch based on him being in a specific category of people and role speculation seems pretty bad?

[Gammagooey]

and yeah you can call it not role speculation since we know something exists but whether it's town or scum is role speculation so deal with it

[Untrod Tripod]

gamma he's scum

we need to lynch it

[Gammagooey]

i guess fine

Vote: The Gays (YNGO)

[pirate mollie]

gamma what do you make of mollie's play today?

mollie's a smart player, I really don't understand this unless it's intentional

I was drunk!

and obviously stuffing my face with paranoia flakes

yeah the message isn't mod-confirmed

i'm gonna sort of steal magua's thing for my reads

the two people who i think make the most sense as scum are axxle and pie mostly just based on having varying degrees of town reads on everyone else, The Gays are a bit behind those two, mollie I have a slight town read on but am really afraid of what the lack of comprehension from her means and also of her being one of the last 3-4 people in the game

so
Axxle+Pie-->The Gays--->kind of mollie--------->everyone else

you know what is funny gamma is that your poe list looks like mine that I came up with ages ago!

anyways I am not voting gaiboiz until after this weekend I don't want reck making me stand out in a tornado again

[Your New Gay Overlords]

man reck

your attempts at discrediting me are kind of pathetic. eat a dick.

all of the posting you've done today smacks of IIoA, and your frequent "show me the case" calls are not great either. you're TOWNTELLING axxle because he said you're scum? a ton of your given reads are "yeah this but I dunno maybe not lol"

this is horseshit. we need to lynch the gays. and I want the hammer.

All the posting I've done is IIoA? Really? I mean, I did ~color in the names~ on the lynch wagons in one post but the rest of it has been analysis of the wagon. Like, do you even know what that acronym means, or are you just as fucking retarded as you seem?

Asking for a case isn't scummy when someone has been

calling for your lynch for three days without a single solid reason given

.

And no... wow FUCK YOU you fucking piece of shit, you're FUCKING BLATANTLY MISREPPING ME at this point. I didn't fucking say "AXXLE IS TOWN BC HE SAID I AM SCUM". I said "I gave Axxle a pass despite his shitty D1 play because he was the ONLY person attacking me who actually engaged me and gave me reasons which seemed town". We had an entire fucking discussion about this, and I called it positive reinforcement, Ythan called it negative reinforcement. Are you fucking serious?

last time I checked it's pretty scummy to try to discredit the reads of THE CONFIRMED TOWN PLAYERS but maybe I'm old fashioned that way :3

Where did I try to discredit your reads? I said you were scummy as fuck,

and you are

. Jesus Christ, your play today has been "waah let's lynch the gays with no reason whatsoever" and "hey guys wut do u think ab this scum WIFOM!??!".

last time I checked it's pretty scummy to try and make the CONFIRMED SCUM'S WIFOM a big talking point and SCREAM FOR THE LYNCH OF A TOWNIE all day with no reasons but maybe I'm old fashioned that way :3

[Your New Gay Overlords]

Reasons:
#1) He fits in the category of people who never voted for scum.
#2) Gamma got a message trying to tie Cheery Dog's alignment to Waffles. This is likely FROM SCUM trying to nail a townie to the floor with a buddy lynch.
#3) Look at his face.

#2 probably makes very slightly more sense to you than it does to me since you think there's 3 scum left instead of 2 but are you aware that you pushing a lynch based on him being in a specific category of people and role speculation seems pretty bad?

and yeah you can call it not role speculation since we know something exists but whether it's town or scum is role speculation so deal with it

Here are the "facts":

- You claim someone sent you a message.
- This message proclaims a person's alignment is the same as someone else's alignment.
- Either town or mafia sent this message.

If town sent the message, then it would be INCREDIBLY ANTI TOWN PLAY to claim said alignment-related bullshit as

fact

unless you were confident about it. Ergo, we should lynch accordingly.

If scum sent the message, then it would ONLY HELP SECURE A MISLYNCH in the event that their buddy is lynched. Ergo, we should consider which of them is the buddy.

[Your New Gay Overlords]

Actually, why is it bad to vote him for being a specific category of people? You just throw that out there like it's this assumed negative thing. He never voted for scum.

FUCKING UT WAS PUSHING TO HUNT PEOPLE OFF-WAGON UNDER THE SAME PREMISE

so why is it okay when others do it but it's a sudden negative thing when I do it?

[Your New Gay Overlords]

Like holy fuck. Gamma has to put on a big ol' retard hat to eat this shit up and not be hypocritical about it.

And UT is just crying to cry but he actually doesn't have a reason. I didn't "discredit" him or make an attempt at doing so, I explained that I found him scummy. No matter how many times you repeat the word 'discredit' it doesn't make it true.

[Gammagooey]

man i feel like i should care more about this thing since someone bothered sending it to me but i really don't

also you missed my point, them words are nice and all but i care about a thousand times more about your read on cheery for only the actual things he's done in the game than lolmessages. if it was part of a case that included something else on things he's actually done it'd be fine but you didn't so it's not.

[Gammagooey]

here let me explain like this

these are role related things that i care about

confirmed town
confirmed town barring very small % circumstances (godfathers, etc.)
confirmed scum
confirmed scum barring very small % circumstances (tracker guilties or something i guess)

these are role related things that i don't care about

everything else
still everything else
yeah everything else can get fucked