Tales of You (Endgame)

[Titan]

*I mean she in all that post, sorry.

[Titan]

It wasn't whimsical because I wasn't being whimsical. I needed to believe they were town, and I needed to believe they were town early. I wasn't confronting them, I was practically begging them to town themselves for me, so I wouldn't have to worry.

[mastin2]

From someone who seems to be so interested in/obsessed with 'tone' (which by the way is a really mercurial idea at this point, what do you even mean by that mastin?), to boot. I'm not sure how anyone could read your vote there as serious, nevermind someone even peripherally aware of the way you play mafia.

Tone was the problem. The self-vote was fake. The following post from the different head far too confrontational. (And, yes. I can't think of a better term, because it really was a confrontation. A direct challenge to Nacho. If that's not confrontational, what do you

call

confrontational?)

I don't think I could tell the difference between what Mastin just did and what she might have done if she was told who to suspect by a random number generator.

Odd. Both heads of yours have played with me before and know me just as well.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I saw me first matey rhymed
So I decided to tried
Mastin's prob town
but their buddying me is sound
so scum they may be
We shall see

I don't know about Titan
I'm kinda frightened
That Athena is back
In which case give 'em the rack!

VOTE: Titan

[Titan]

And I don't believe for one second that she actually believes my first post was emotional blackmail. She's played in enough games with me, as town and as scum, to not even entertain that.

Except past games with you is specifically why that post pinged me. It didn't feel like Tammy-town. At all.

You're abilities to say what feels like Tammy!Town is hereby revoked. I couldn't be more town in this game, and you obviously don't know or are pretending to not know what that looks like.

[mastin2]

I needed to believe they were town, and I needed to believe they were town early. I wasn't confronting them, I was practically begging them to town themselves for me, so I wouldn't have to worry.

You're acting like these are different things.

Like I said. Different tone? Sure, not confrontational. But your tone? Was.

[Titan]

I had a damn reason to need for them to town early dammit.

[Mac]

MAC - He doesn't feel like he's actually trying to figure out the game though he feels like he's posturing the game. The reason why I said it's not omgus because in the last game, in which he was in!, the entire scum team came after me and when I identified their motivations as scum motivation they discredited me by saying that I was just omgusing.

Thanks for the explanation
I surely do agree
OMGUS is a way of discrediting
Arguments made legitamatelee

Having had a read back
I think I may be swayed (146)
mastin possibly trying to discredit
a nacho/tammy bond before it is made?

I was tempted to change my vote
But here I think it stays
I soon hope to engage mastin a bit more
But let's see how this plays

[Titan]

I saw me first matey rhymed
So I decided to tried
Mastin's prob town
but their buddying me is sound
so scum they may be
We shall see

I don't know about Titan
I'm kinda frightened
That Athena is back
In which case give 'em the rack!

VOTE: Titan

If this is Nati, do better.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

I've never known
mastin to talk about tone
shouldn't that hydra know
that is my show

[Titan]

I saw me first matey rhymed
So I decided to tried
Mastin's prob town
but their buddying me is sound
so scum they may be
We shall see

I don't know about Titan
I'm kinda frightened
That Athena is back
In which case give 'em the rack!

VOTE: Titan

Like this is fucking bullshit. There is no way no how you are comparing me to that game. I couldn't be more different.

[mastin2]

. I couldn't be more town in this game, and you obviously don't know or are pretending to not know what that looks like.

Except this? Is saying this.

Your game this game looks like it's meant to be an imitation of your towngame, rather than an actual towngame.

[Titan]

That vote better have come from muffin.

[Rancid Broderick Drake]

the lass's words are curious
I'm gonna consult rquieux
but our vote is like gold
in the hands of the bold

[MastinSSK]

I've never known
mastin to talk about tone
shouldn't that hydra know
that is my show

That's funny. That's nearly all of what I talk about.

btw Mastin will now actually be getting on this account.

PEDIT: RIGHT MASTIN? RIGHT?

[The Fox and the Hound]

From someone who seems to be so interested in/obsessed with 'tone' (which by the way is a really mercurial idea at this point, what do you even mean by that mastin?), to boot. I'm not sure how anyone could read your vote there as serious, nevermind someone even peripherally aware of the way you play mafia.

Tone was the problem. The self-vote was fake. The following post from the different head far too confrontational. (And, yes. I can't think of a better term, because it really was a confrontation. A direct challenge to Nacho. If that's not confrontational, what do you

call

confrontational?)

I didn't read it that way, more as a cry for help sort of thing. A reach out, if you will. I also feel like Tammy's POV on this can be trusted as there is not actually scum motivation to insist it wasn't confrontational, so I'm gonna go ahead and say my reading is correct.

I don't think I could tell the difference between what Mastin just did and what she might have done if she was told who to suspect by a random number generator.

Odd. Both heads of yours have played with me before and know me just as well.[/quote][/quote]
That doesn't mean I understand you. I will say, I have caveats about your slot, which I will explain at a later date.

~Copper

[Lord Business]

I saw me first matey rhymed
So I decided to tried
Mastin's prob town
but their buddying me is sound
so scum they may be
We shall see

I don't know about Titan
I'm kinda frightened
That Athena is back
In which case give 'em the rack!

VOTE: Titan

Like this is fucking bullshit. There is no way no how you are comparing me to that game. I couldn't be more different.

Doesn't self awareness of this fact make the defence null?

[MastinSSK]

Spoiler: Now on the right account

Yo.

Mastin, here. I'm here to kill you all.

*Save you. SAVE you all.

...Crap.

(Out of hydra post for ego...and 'cause I lost the hydra password. I need to ping SSK for him to remind me.)

Anywaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay...

-I'm still waiting for SSK to re-send me our password. (The problem is that he sent it to me over site chat originally, and that site chat log has been lost, meaning I no longer have it.)
-Until then, I'm hoping that the mods are okay with me posting out of hydra; I'll quote them all once I can. (Well, SSK probably will beat me to it.)
-But I did get our role PM, so I'm not playing blindly. With that in mind...

Yaaar, we be a hated miller age cop gladiator!

I dare ye treeweasels to counterclaim!

VOTE: Rancid Broderick Drake

The sad thing is that I can equally see this being a scum joke, a town joke, a scum serious fakeclaim, or a town serious roleclaim.

Let's say town for the heck of it*.

Wait a minute. Wasn't mastin in that game >.>

As scum, yes. Cruised to an easy win.

I've also obvtown'd like 5 times before post 30, you're all welcome. Reach outs may commence at your earliest convenience.

We're town, you're town, let's lynch some scum.

I don't think there is anything you can possibly do to convince me that you're SSK.

Not even this?

In case anyone was wondering, RG are townish for posts 16 and 24. And because I modded FE Awakening and am pretty sure this is notscience.

This might actually be scum, though.

Holy bleep, they actually ARE scum.

Hello everyone. I am You.

VOTE: Clyton

Could be town, could be scum, lean towards scum.

What from post 20 made you think MastinSSK is town? I personally don't see it.
-FT

Bluntly, if you can't see it, then you're probably scum. Like, I didn't even have our role PM and I could tell SSK was town. (Granted, I needed to be absolutely sure, butyeah.)

Those are some complicated sample PMs.

This IS scum, though.

*Actually a little bit more than for the heck of it. I have a very, very good reason to believe the claim. I'll talk to SSK about how we'll handle that.
/is most certainly not a VT this game, and not ashamed to admit it.
(Through three.)

Derp. Through two, not three.

I don't know why we're starting other wagons when we can find Tammy's alignment by bringing them to L-3 before Page 5.

VOTE: Titan

good point

tammy needs to town it up quickly

vote titan

vote titan

Hi!

VOTE: kagura

Okay here's what I need from you guys. Nacho, if you're town I need to feel it. Alternatively, Bork you can obvtown up your slot ASAP please. I will stay with you, but if you value my sanity at all (and if you're town you should!), you will please just do this for me.

I briefly skimmed the first couple pages, notscience here's an awesome town tell for me. I literally just woke up, and the first thing I did was log in to this game. Though I'd love to stay and goof off I've got to go to work.

This actually feels like a scum entrance into the game. Like...I guess it's the tone? The last post isn't the type of friendly banter from town trying to scumhunt a player they know and respect; it feels like scum forcing their way into getting towncred by being confrontational and trying to make it look like town. The earlier posts also feel fake, and honestly, really not liking those self-votes.

If this is for real, this might affect us.

I'm quite certain it'd affect us.

As I said, bouncing how to handle things exactly off of SSK. Butyeah.

If Nacho says Tammy's town, I won't trust him thanks to this.

Is it normal for Titan to manipulate things with emotional blackmail?

I'm not seeing a town attitude towards demanding people prove they are town for the benefit of their mental state. Seems both forced and trying to stay in the upper hand.

What is this, an AP alt? (Stop stealing my thoughts before I think them!)

I do vaguely agree with Mac being townish, though not overwhelmingly so. (Yet.)

/4. Gotta go, briefly, so be back in a moment.

I actually think you're town.

Well, duh. That's 'cause you're scum and they're not on your team!

(Non-arrogant answer: They've already made themselves obvtown.)

I don't really get his entrance about RVS voting when at the time we were out of RVS.

Eh, it looks vaguely townish.

And no I'm not omgusing before anyone accuses me of that BS. But I do not believe for one second Town!Mastin makes those posts. I just don't.

Uh-huh. Sure you aren't. Sure you believe it.

My meds apparently aren't quite as effective as they're supposed to be, because bluntly, there's an extreme feeling that doesn't even feel like arrogance that both SSK and I, separately, are obvtown in our own ways. And that it seriously can't be more obvious.

(Admittedly, my posting has a flaw:
Slightly too many scumspects. Gimme a sec to sort 'em.)

1 Kagura (borkjerfkin + nachomamma8)
^Already obvtown.

2 The Fox and the Hound (cephrir and DV)
^Thinking scum. (Not absolutely sure.)

3 Yukari Yakumo
^I'm just gonna say POE town 'cause screw it, too many scumspects.

4 orcinus_theoriginal
^Let's just call him town for the heck of it.

5 Titan (Tammy + Sir Arthur Dane)
^Not feeling the townness.

6 Rancid Broderick Drake (zmuffinman and natirasha)
^Certainly feeling the townness.

8 Breakfast With Stalin (Hydra of ffery and beli)
^Also feeling townness. Strength yet to be determined.

9 ElementalHawk (Prohawk+3dicerolling)
^Heck if I know, but let's just assume town for the time being.

10 Carbon Fiber (FourTrouble and F16)
^Could be scum, quite easily.

11 Lord Business
^AP Alt. (But town.)

12 Just Sheep Us (Broseidon and Desperado)
^Eh, need more for surez, but an apt title; they're probably town so I'll probably be sheeping them.

13 Red Gyarados (Brian Skies and notscience)
^Probably my strongest townread.

14 Cupcake Panda
^Scumread, strength to be determined.

15 PeregrineV
^Vaguely townish.

16 Clyton
^Vaguely scummish.

17 Mac
^Decently town, but not strongly so.

I'll see about making a list later. (Am multitasking quite severely.)

Yep, five scumreads. Four

might

be possible (especially given a stronger town, which I can already tell we have), but five? Heck no; I need one or two less.

Fox/Titan/Carbon are stronger reads than Cupcake/Clyton.

(And, yes. Fully aware of the arrogance. I don't know why. That's the thing my current medication is specifically meant to counter. But it's there all the same. That feeling that, yes. I'm on the right track. In spite of the fact that all logic says "stop being so arrogant", there's that

feeling

that I'm actually not wrong on these. Of course I'm not flipping the switch, though.)

Then she lets us know she did, in fact, get her role pm.

I asked for it specifically.

Her response to CarbonFiber that if he didn't see SSK was town then he's scum because she knew SSK was town before she got her role pm.

Yep! I could tell our slot was town before I got the PM. Asking for the PM was basically just a formality,

just

in case we were actually scum. (Playing blind as scum is extremely frowned upon. So

just

in case I was wrong, I needed it.)

Then he called my post confrontational with Nacho and Bork.

Because it was confrontational. You were confronting him. That's what the word means. It was the very LACK of friendly banter that set off the alarm bell. Like...I know you play with Nacho a lot. But your response? Wasn't the type of...whimsy?...I'd expect from town-not-knowing-alignment; it seems like scum-wanting-to-make-good-impression. Specifically BECAUSE Nacho'd expect it. Like...that same post made with a different tone/approach/angle would be town, but the way you did it felt...

off

.

I don't think for one second that she disrespects Nacho's ability in mafia so much that she thinks that Nacho would be swayed by me saying he'll see I'm town from my first post and call me town if he didn't feel it.

Not exactly sure I understand, but basically...yes? I respect Nacho's abilities. I don't think him townreading you would be the correct read, in spite of his otherwise-accuracy in reading players.

And I don't believe for one second that she actually believes my first post was emotional blackmail. She's played in enough games with me, as town and as scum, to not even entertain that.

Except past games with you is specifically why that post pinged me. It didn't feel like Tammy-town. At all.

From someone who seems to be so interested in/obsessed with 'tone' (which by the way is a really mercurial idea at this point, what do you even mean by that mastin?), to boot. I'm not sure how anyone could read your vote there as serious, nevermind someone even peripherally aware of the way you play mafia.

Tone was the problem. The self-vote was fake. The following post from the different head far too confrontational. (And, yes. I can't think of a better term, because it really was a confrontation. A direct challenge to Nacho. If that's not confrontational, what do you

call

confrontational?)

I don't think I could tell the difference between what Mastin just did and what she might have done if she was told who to suspect by a random number generator.

Odd. Both heads of yours have played with me before and know me just as well.

I needed to believe they were town, and I needed to believe they were town early. I wasn't confronting them, I was practically begging them to town themselves for me, so I wouldn't have to worry.

You're acting like these are different things.

Like I said. Different tone? Sure, not confrontational. But your tone? Was.

. I couldn't be more town in this game, and you obviously don't know or are pretending to not know what that looks like.

Except this? Is saying this.

Your game this game looks like it's meant to be an imitation of your towngame, rather than an actual towngame.

[The Fox and the Hound]

From someone who seems to be so interested in/obsessed with 'tone' (which by the way is a really mercurial idea at this point, what do you even mean by that mastin?), to boot. I'm not sure how anyone could read your vote there as serious, nevermind someone even peripherally aware of the way you play mafia.

Tone was the problem. The self-vote was fake. The following post from the different head far too confrontational. (And, yes. I can't think of a better term, because it really was a confrontation. A direct challenge to Nacho. If that's not confrontational, what do you

call

confrontational?)

I didn't read it that way, more as a cry for help sort of thing. A reach out, if you will. I also feel like Tammy's POV on this can be trusted as there is not actually scum motivation to insist it wasn't confrontational, so I'm gonna go ahead and say my reading is correct.

I don't think I could tell the difference between what Mastin just did and what she might have done if she was told who to suspect by a random number generator.

Odd. Both heads of yours have played with me before and know me just as well.

That doesn't mean I understand you. I will say, I have caveats about your slot, which I will explain at a later date.

~Copper

Fixed tags.

[Titan]

. I couldn't be more town in this game, and you obviously don't know or are pretending to not know what that looks like.

Except this? Is saying this.

Your game this game looks like it's meant to be an imitation of your towngame, rather than an actual towngame.

Hey! Get a better line. Scum!Prohawk already used that against me last game. Try a new scum case on me.

I'm like fucking bleeding town here; there is no way you and nati don't see that.

[The Fox and the Hound]

I saw me first matey rhymed
So I decided to tried
Mastin's prob town
but their buddying me is sound
so scum they may be
We shall see

I don't know about Titan
I'm kinda frightened
That Athena is back
In which case give 'em the rack!

VOTE: Titan

Like this is fucking bullshit. There is no way no how you are comparing me to that game. I couldn't be more different.

Doesn't self awareness of this fact make the defence null?

Yes and no. Tammy is special.

[MastinSSK]

mastin possibly trying to discredit
a nacho/tammy bond before it is made?

Nah. As scum, I sheep them both and keep on their good sides.

I've never known
mastin to talk about tone

Odd, considering it's been one of my signature methods since 2010.

[Mac]

A player focusing entirely on the game setup and theme stands out as trying not to interact with the players.

A question I must pose
I've wondered all my days
But can you point to some posts
You feel support this little phrase?

Do you have a post restriction?

Oh yes I surely do
For to post like this all game
I'd have to be mad!
And mad is not my aim.

OBLIGATORY NO FLAVOR KNOWLEDGE
THIS GAME SEEMS FLAVOR INTENSIVE THOUGH GG NO RE

ALSO WTF ISNT COPPER A STEALTH HYDRA AS IS??!?!

TOO MANY HYDRAS THIS GAME

THOUGH D1 IS EASY

VOTE: JUS

LYNCH THIS SLOT D1
PROBABLY SCUM
AT WORST WE GET RID OF AN ANTITOWN SLOT

SHEEP GIVEN IF READS ARE SOCIO-ACCURATE.

Those are some complicated sample PMs.

Bold the setup and theme talk.
Two posts in the entire game and almost all the text is on it. One caps locked vote and the reason tacked to that is vague and seems designed to be easily written off as ridiculous during RVS.

Or was this not what you were asking?

This was exactly what I wanted
Thanks for making it clear
But personally I don't see it
As focusing on setup spec here

I know the first post is jokey
But I get the same feel from post two
Because it's referencing the OP "mod" role PMs
How does it differ to you?

I guess we won't really know
Until Cupcake steps up to the plate
And answers what we question
If he's not too late.



@ Titan. It was apparent the response from you to me came from different people, but you haven't actually addressed why one of you chose to panic post and declare a need to lynch me and then one of you came in with what appeared to be a an attempt to respond to my issues, albeit in a belittling fashion.[/quote]

[MastinSSK]

And, seriously. The Titan-Fox tagteam is just about as blatant as can be.

(Okay, that means I'm wrong on one. But still.)
VOTE: Fox and the Hound.
Actually stronger than Titan, in spite of my words.

[Lord Business]

What is the game where a hydra with tammy in it was mafia?

Because there seems to be a trend here of letting a lot of stuff slide because 'that's tammy'. I want to see if this was a mistake made In That game or if people saw different things.