Mafia v. Wolves Redux: Finally Over!

[~N9V~]

Hmm content. I don't like this bery very slow wagon on you,which seems to have stopped. And i believe that OTU is scum. 'Nuf' said.

[XReyoX]

'Nuf' said.

No enough

[Phoebus]

Vote count:

8 OverTheUnder (Battle Mage, DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Mr Flay, PBuG, remussaidow, Scarecrow)

2 PBuG (Akbar, OverTheUnder)
2 remussaidow (Kison, theopor_COD)

9 not voting

11 to lynch

Deadline 1: Monday the 9th - 1700 GMT

[Mr. Flay]

Wait, Raffles, why the hell are you unvoting OTU???

Well that kind of depends on whether you agree with what I said or not. Do you really think he's commited enough crimes to be worthy of a lynch? And if so, why isn't he lynched until now?

And if not, what's the point in keeping a vote on him?

Yeh I'd like to hear from OTU. As Raffles say's he seems to have given up. His wagon seems to have diminished without him even posting, how odd.

Quoted for truth. Wagons that diminish without a defense are doing so due to external factors; in this case, I believe scum and/or scum buddies are hopping off the wagon. I want to test this hypothesis, given that it's D1 and we don't have anything better to go on yet. Maybe OTU is just inexperienced. I'm willing to bet a D1 lynch that it'll teach us several things about other players, even if we are wrong/being misled here.

So yes, I do think he's worth today's lynch. I don't see you proposing an alternative.

[Raffles]

That's all good and fair that

you

think he's worthy of lynch today Mr. Flay, along with 7 other people. But you didn't answer the second part of my question. Why isn't he lynched until now? He was tee-towing lynch for a very long time.

I did suggest an alternative, I said I would look into Kison-Pbug? combo (I think), but predictably I haven't started yet. Besides, I see what you are implying that even if I did investigate this alternative, I would have to be a Yuri to meet the deadline to convince everyone and to cause a lynch.

Your hypothesis is also interesting. This would mean suppose OTU did turn out to be a scum, I would become your prime suspect tommorrow, and I would have one hell of a time trying to talk myself out of an hypothesis that is untested. As much as I do find OTU scummier than some of the others, I'm almost hoping OTU doesn't turn out to be a scum for lunacy that I would have to endure on D2.

What sort of thing would we learn if OTU was a town?

[XReyoX]

@raffles: well, if you and OTU are scumbuddies, then you two have pretty bad co-ordination. You made the trap, he fall for it and you get revealed to be his scummate? Anyway, at that time, if I were a scum, hopping onto remu, PBuG or kison will be a much safer choice. So even if OTU is a scum, I wouldn't hold it against you, at least not more then people who have unvoted at around the same time. To be honest, if I turn out to be a scum, you would probably be suspected for the numerous posts that i've made that seems to be defending you.

@PbuG. Why are you hopping in and out and in OTU's wagon. Have you made up your mind yet?

I'm not very sure that OTU is a scum still. He hasn't made any post except that opportunistic vote which made me think he is scummy. At the moment, PBuG and remus look more scummy. (reasons stated before).

[TBuG]

I've always found OTU scummy, and I forgot why I switched to remus, so I switched back.

[XReyoX]

Btw, I would like to suggest people who have said that they're going to make some big posts do so before the deadline as well.

[al4xz]

I've been inactive for abit, I've been prodded. I'd like to see if OTU is scum or not; he's not defended himself, only shot back responses instead of defence. So, I'd like to see a hammer.

Vote: OverTheUnder

[Kison]

If

that is lynch minus one, OTU, you had better claim.

[remussaidow]

its not kison, its -2.

[Mastermind of Sin]

He should still claim. Lynch -2 isn't much in a game this size.

[Raffles]

well, if you and OTU are scumbuddies, then you two have pretty bad co-ordination. You made the trap, he fall for it and you get revealed to be his scummate? Anyway, at that time, if I were a scum, hopping onto remu, PBuG or kison will be a much safer choice. So even if OTU is a scum, I wouldn't hold it against you, at least not more then people who have unvoted at around the same time. To be honest, if I turn out to be a scum, you would probably be suspected for the numerous posts that i've made that seems to be defending you.

That would just be utterly retarded on my part, even I could see that in the situation, I should just ignore OTU.

[Mr. Flay]

This is the second time OTU is at lynch-2, I want a claim. No more stalling.

I didn't realize we were under a deadline. Raffles, I'm not trying to implicate you in any sort of Machiavellian plot, I just want people to ascribe to SOMETHING so that we have something to go on for D2.

[XReyoX]

Also, it would be difficult for the pro-town power-role players to decide what to do tonight if you people don't talk much. I don't want doc protections to be wasted on scums or cop investigations to be wasted on the town.

[Raffles]

It's interesting how most of non-OTU voters have all suddenly gone quiet. I'm not quite sure what this means, I'll think over it carefully.

[Kison]

Currently I am not voting OTU. I am, however, waiting for his claim.

[XReyoX]

This is really bad, I have a feeling that a large portion of the people in this game are scums. Maybe there are super power-role townies or maybe some of the scums are in both the mafia AND the wolves groups, therefore allowing more than 2 scum groups in the game.

I mean out of 21 people, not more than 5 people post each day at this time of the game. This could be indicating that the scums are staying quite along with other people, waiting for OTU to get lynch. It's only 2 days until the deadline, therefore the only candidate for the lynch would be OTU. Assuming this, even if he has scummates, they would not try to save him and would stay as quite as the others.

I guess OTU should claim now, if not, the scums might hop in tommorrow or just before the deadline saying we NEED a lynch. We will only learn little from the hammerer in that case.

[Kison]

Two days? I thought the deadline was on the 9th?

[theopor_COD]

ACK! I had my whole post written up and I closed the window on accident. I'll re-write it in a bit I've gotta go for now.

I'd guess this was a lie? Being as four days have passed since.

unvote, vote OTU

-1 time to claim.

[Raffles]

This is really bad, I have a feeling that a large portion of the people in this game are scums. Maybe there are super power-role townies or maybe some of the scums are in both the mafia AND the wolves groups, therefore allowing more than 2 scum groups in the game.

Do you remember that persian game on marathon day? It would suck if it were like that.

[XReyoX]

Do you remember that persian game on marathon day? It would suck if it were like that.

I'm hoping that this setup is not like the other one. It means that the scums are only going to NK townies instead of the other groups because of the big boss. I believe that the scums had more than 90% win rate in that setup.

Mod: Prod OTU

pls

[Battle Mage]

i stand by my vote. i dont think anything OTU says will change my mind.
BM

[Kison]

I am willing to wait a bit longer, but if he doesn't respond in a timely manner then I will place the hammer.

OTU : First and foremost, we need for you to claim. That should take you no more than two minutes.

[Mr. Flay]

Three of OTU's last four posts since 3/25 have been "oops, maybe later" stalling tactics. I'm pretty sure he's scum, but even if not, I want him to vote for someone in addition to the claim. I need information, damnit!

I do NOT want him replaced. We'll just have to restart this whole stupid discussion, because several players will give the replacement a pass on OTU's behavior. If we must deadline lynch an inactive to get information and move the game forward, so be it.