NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Norlkaz]

*titus would flip scum

[pieguyn]

pdodge

[Empire]

Day 7, Votecount 3

Norlkaz (1)

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Prophylaxis

Sakura Hana (1)

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KoreanBBQ

Not Voting (7)

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Casso the King of Seals, Ms Marangal, pieguyn, Norlkaz, goodmorning, Sakura Hana, Ser Arthur Dayne

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch! Deadline is on March 7th at 3:25 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-03-07 16:22:01).

Mod Notes

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N/A

[Norlkaz]

It occurs to me that sh self :hammered: as scum.
Once you claim it you can basically do whatever and its not a violation of the "scum dont go to the depths" supertell.
So yeah I will write her off and if she has transcended that tell then kudos.

[Empire]

Prodding Ms Marangal.

[Sakura Hana]

Norl: So i'm going to abuse your townread on me and tell you to tell me who should I vote and why, and also why shouldn't I vote you instead.

[Ms Marangal]

uhh, prod recieved?

[Casso the King of Seals]

Actually

Vote: Casso

I genuinely don't think nacho is bad enough to enter the game with a vote on me. He's doing that thing that scum do where they try to act confident in their reads.

Why is a vote on you bad?

Take a brief moment to indulge in an individual mental exercise where you try to read the game and THEN attempt to analyze it.

I would like a non-bullshit answer to this one.

[Casso the King of Seals]

It occurs to me that sh self :hammered: as scum.
Once you claim it you can basically do whatever and its not a violation of the "scum dont go to the depths" supertell.
So yeah I will write her off and if she has transcended that tell then kudos.

What does this mean, again?

[pieguyn]

@Casso:

what's your current read on Sakura?

also walk me through your Sakura read throughout the game. why were you initially scumreading her and what were your thoughts at the time where you backed off?

[Prophylaxis]

Prod dodge, post was deleted.

@Norlkaz:

Is there any real reason why you posted three times, in response to my single vote?

[Norlkaz]

Is there any real reason why you posted three times, in response to my single vote?

What is this nonsense question. OBVIOUSLY I had several different thoughts.
The posts aren't even on a consistent topic and have timegaps between them.

What does this mean, again?

'You caught me :selfhammer: screw you guys I'm quitting' doesn't violate "scum don't debase themselves personally to stave off lynch" because it was a hammer and consequently couldn't stave off the lynch.

[Prophylaxis]

It felt like an overreaction to me.

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Ugh, this is going nowhere. It feels like we're all having 10 different little mini-conversations in the thread, and we're gaining no real momentum.

Norl, can you link me to your most recently completed town and scum game? A little meta might help.

How does everyone else feel about the Norlkaz slot? Did F-16 explain his townread on him?

I want to see if Llamarble is the guy who you can clear based on not bussing his buddy to the ground, as scum.

[Ms Marangal]

So I lost a post to rollbacks, though I didn't say much, just that I think Prophy is prob town, and Norl interactions doesn't seem like ones that would come from a scum-buddy to a scum-buddy.

I'm seriously loosing my grip on the town-reads I had on Sakura and Nacho though the Sakura one is worse off. I also don't see the consistent scum hunting coming from pi that Prophy see's so...

SAD reads likely scum as well so, in short

Mara/GM

Nero/GIF
Norl
Proph

Sakura
Casso

SAD

Pie

[goodmorning]

So are we at probably 6-2? Like I said to Mara earlier, I don't do many Larges.

[Norlkaz]

Pie gets to win if he's scum, unless something significant changes.
As in I find him certifiably town. I haven't re-ISOed the scums recently but yeah.
Not:
Masons
Me
Pie
Sakura

Remaining:
SAD
Casso
BBQ
Proph

That's sufficient to win the game, but let's make sure by winning with the next 2 lynches etc.
I can probably get through one of the remainings a day, maybe more, then have a day for final lynch verification.

Also "I hope I didn't get this wrong" regarding SSK isn't some kind of back door out of defending him.
If anything it's the opposite; my statement established that post as the point at which my read on him gets evaluated.

[Prophylaxis]

So I lost a post to rollbacks, though I didn't say much, just that I think Prophy is prob town, and Norl interactions doesn't seem like ones that would come from a scum-buddy to a scum-buddy.

Can you elaborate on the Norl interactions?

I'm seriously loosing my grip on the town-reads I had on Sakura and Nacho though the Sakura one is worse off. I also don't see the consistent scum hunting coming from pi that Prophy see's so...

Ugh, every time I see something like this I get more and more paranoid about pieguyn, but then I actually look at the evidence and think that he's town.

I saw him ask pretty genuine questions when I was actually reading the thread (when he replaced in he was drilling Sakura and I liked that) and the zMuffin interactions /felt/ townie in regards to him. I'm just not sure why everyone is scumreading him.

SAD reads likely scum as well

Again, why? He was the first one to mention that zMuffin had no interactions in regards to Generic, and I liked some of his recent posts.

Other than the above I agree with mostly all of this.

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Why am I on such a different wavelength than llamarble, in terms of PoEing the game down?

I swear I have to reread his posts twice to comprehend his posts on the best of days. :/

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why am I on such a different wavelength than llamarble, in terms of PoEing the game down?

I swear I have to reread his posts twice to comprehend his posts on the best of days. :/

That's because he feels forced.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually

Vote: Casso

I genuinely don't think nacho is bad enough to enter the game with a vote on me. He's doing that thing that scum do where they try to act confident in their reads.

Why is a vote on you bad?

Take a brief moment to indulge in an individual mental exercise where you try to read the game and THEN attempt to analyze it.

I would like a non-bullshit answer to this one.

Again, read the game.

If you really think my push on muffin was a bus then I really can't help you.

[Norlkaz]

Why am I on such a different wavelength than llamarble, in terms of PoEing the game down?

Neither of us particularly want to lynch Pie, ourselves (individually, not both), or the masons.
Other than that we differ on Sakura.
I don't see what's interesting about us not having the same opinions.

Why am I on such a different wavelength than llamarble, in terms of PoEing the game down?

I swear I have to reread his posts twice to comprehend his posts on the best of days. :/

That's because he feels forced.

What a scumpost >_>
Also derp. "Careening" is a better adjective for my recent posting (and a better explanation of difficulty in understanding) than "forced."
The phase of my towngame where I figure things out has certainly spun some heads before.
Shadoweh asking me if I am on drugs in Yoloville comes to mind.

[goodmorning]

dammit prophy why do you do this shit

[Norlkaz]

I forgot to mention that there was plenty of information to read Pieguy as town when I initially called him scum, so assuming he is in fact town, my bad on that earlier.

Also, halfway through SAD's ISO and I feel much less bad about getting inspired & swapping to him from Muffin.
"I wasn't in favor of our scumteam killing Tammy"
Other stuff I don't remember but was most assuredly highly incriminating and I'll find it if I go back through because I decide to force lynch through.
Anyway, I think I'm gonna want this lynch. Still need to find the partner and make sure the others aren't somehow scummier, but vote-time has been reached.
VOTE: SAD

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also I quite enjoy playing with Tammy so even had I been scum I wouldn't have supported a kill on her this early, but etc.

"I wasn't in favor of our scumteam killing Tammy"

Dat misrep doe.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yeah

Vote: Norlkaz

His super-try-mode also seems to indicate he's the last scum, so *shrug*

[Norlkaz]

SAD ISO & meta check complete. Will proceed with others before lynching but very likely he's today's scum.

For it to be a misrep I'd have had to say something that wasn't the same as what you said.
Much of the time "I wouldn't have killed X" translates to "my team decided to kill X even though it wasn't my top choice." It's a scumtell, though not one of the awesome super high percentage ones.

My "super try" mode as you've described it is a sure sign I'm town. My insufferable repetition of how town I am is actually 100% truth tell level town indicative.
As scum I survive a while and win a decent portion of the time because people don't want to lynch me, because I can give reads with reasons and play to some towntells people use, and because nobody can win logic duels with me.
As town I generally get what I want due to loudness strength of arguments reputation understanding of how to persuade and the extreme degree to which I am capable of making it obvious I'm town. How motivated I am varies widely; I had the good fortune of playing a lot of my games last year in motivated-mode and got nommed for something exciting!
I'm in motivated mode now.
So what I'm trying to say is Prepare Thine Anus.