NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[KoreanBBQ]

They proved that they have a daychat even with scum encryptor dead.

[pieguyn]

Spoiler: VCA ROUND 2

KoreanBBQ (7) - Brian Skies,

Tammy

,

MafiaSSK

, Casso the King of Seals,

pieguyn

,

Generic

, roflcopter

MafiaSSK

(3) - KoreanBBQ, Sakura Hana, Cephrir

talah

(1) -

MC Maraca

MC Maraca

(1) - pitoli
Casso the King of Seals (1) -

BROseidon

goodmorning

(1) -

talah

BROseidon

(1) -

Stuffed Crust

Tammy

(1) - F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Generic

(1) -

goodmorning

Not Voting (3) -

Desperado

,

geists

,

DOMO

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MafiaSSK

(5) - KoreanBBQ, Sakura Hana, Cephrir,

DOMO

,

pieguyn

KoreanBBQ (4) -

MafiaSSK

, Casso the King of Seals,

Generic

, roflcopter

MC Maraca

(1) - pitoli
Casso the King of Seals (1) -

BROseidon

Tammy

(1) - F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Generic

(1) -

goodmorning

Not Voting (7) -

Desperado

,

geists

,

zMuffinMan

,

MC Maraca

, Brian Skies,

Stuffed Crust

,

Tammy

first off, the SSK wagon was counter to the BBQ wagon with 2 scum on the BBQ wagon, so this makes me even more sure about BBQ town

Stuffed Crust

(4) - Sakura Hana,

DOMO

,

Desperado

, Cephrir

zMuffinMan

(4) - Casso the King of Seals, Ser Arthur Dayne, KoreanBBQ,

MC Maraca

Casso the King of Seals (3) -

zMuffinMan

,

goodmorning

,

pieguyn

MC Maraca

(2) -

Tammy

, F-16_Fighting_Falcon

DOMO

(1) -

BROseidon

KoreanBBQ (1) - roflcopter

Desperado

(1) -

Stuffed Crust

Not Voting (4) - Brian Skies,

MafiaSSK

,

Generic

,

geists

this one is really interesting. there was a zmuffin wagon that popped up on D1. of all the votes here, the one that's most interesting in Cephrir's vote on the counterwagon, which incidentally was the post where he disappeared:

Alright, so I've decided to completely go AWOL from here until my finals are over (aka the 22nd). This is too much of a distraction; my apologies.

If I post here again, consider it a scumclaim and kindly lynch the shit out of me for my own sake.

This means I will not be here if I am run up. After some deliberation I have decided not to claim now. Do with that as you will. I am not currently physically capable of caring. I would leave you my reads but I think they are probably pretty worthless and I think you're better off not rolling with them if I die anyhow.

VOTE: SC for being a smarmy scumbutt. I can hear them cackling with glee that I'm a viable wagon from here.

Good luck today, bye.

on top of that, looking through ceph's ISO there was literally no mention of zmuffin at all up to this point. and eventually he had a townread on him with a sketchy reason:

Muffin: I really liked a few pages ago when he threw away a chance to scumread me (a very easy mislynch) for no good reason and without trying to take credit for having a sick read or anything.

so this makes me think cephrir is scum with zmuffin


F-16_Fighting_Falcon (6) -

BROseidon

, Ser Arthur Dayne,

DOMO

,

MC Maraca

, Casso the King of Seals, Bert

Stuffed Crust

(4) - Cephrir,

Desperado

, Sakura Hana, KoreanBBQ
Casso the King of Seals (3) -

zMuffinMan

,

goodmorning

,

pieguyn

Sakura Hana (1) -

geists

MC Maraca

(1) -

Tammy

goodmorning

(1) - Norlkaz

MafiaSSK

(1) -

Generic

Not Voting (3) -

MafiaSSK

, F-16_Fighting_Falcon,

Stuffed Crust

liking SAD for scum on the F-16 wagon. it's possible the wagon was entirely town driven, but oh well


Sakura Hana (10) -

Tammy

, Casso the King of Seals,

DOMO

, Ser Arthur Dayne, Sakura Hana,

geists

,

Desperado

, KoreanBBQ,

MC Maraca

, Bert
Casso the King of Seals (3) -

zMuffinMan

,

goodmorning

,

Generic

Stuffed Crust

(2) - Cephrir,

pieguyn

F-16_Fighting_Falcon (1) -

BROseidon

goodmorning

(1) - Norlkaz

Not Voting (3) -

MafiaSSK

, F-16_Fighting_Falcon,

Stuffed Crust

BBQ is town and Bert is town. also Sakura-town implies Casso town bc I don't think Nacho-scum would deliberately piss Sakura off to further his own agenda. it's too terrible and I wanna have faith Nacho wouldn't do that. so if Sakura is town and there's scum on here it's SAD. otherwise, Norl is probably scum bc there's no one else left barring Sakura/Casso team

MafiaSSK

(7) - Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana, KoreanBBQ, Bert,

MC Maraca

, Ser Arthur Dayne,

pieguyn

Sakura Hana (3) -

Tammy

,

DOMO

,

Desperado

Casso the King of Seals (3) -

zMuffinMan

,

goodmorning

,

Generic

Stuffed Crust

(1) - Cephrir
F-16_Fighting_Falcon (1) -

BROseidon

goodmorning

(1) - Norlkaz

Not Voting (4) -

MafiaSSK

, F-16_Fighting_Falcon,

Stuffed Crust

,

geists

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Stuffed Crust

(11) (LYNCH) - Cephrir,

geists

,

Tammy

,

Desperado

, Bert, Sakura Hana,

MafiaSSK

, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Norlkaz,

pieguyn

, KoreanBBQ
Casso the King of Seals (3) -

zMuffinMan

,

goodmorning

,

Generic

MafiaSSK

(2) - Casso the King of Seals, Ser Arthur Dayne

BROseidon

(1) -

MC Maraca

Sakura Hana (1) -

DOMO

F-16_Fighting_Falcon (1) -

BROseidon

Not Voting (1) -

Stuffed Crust

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MafiaSSK

(8) -

zMuffinMan

,

geists

,

Desperado

, Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana, Bert,

Generic

, Cephrir
Casso the King of Seals (3) -

goodmorning

,

DOMO

, Norlkaz
Bert (2) - KoreanBBQ, Ser Arthur Dayne

Desperado

(1) -

MC Maraca

Ser Arthur Dayne (1) -

pieguyn

Cephrir (1) - F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Not Voting (2) -

MafiaSSK

,

BROseidon

the fact that both zmuffin and Generic were on SSK indicates that scum planned to bus SSK after he claimed doctor. so there was prob another scum on the SSK wagon and of all the other people on the wagon I'm liking Ceph for 3rd scum on the wagon. interestingly Ceph was voting SSK for a good portion of the game


Casso the King of Seals (7) -

goodmorning

,

DOMO

, Norlkaz,

BROseidon

,

Generic

,

zMuffinMan

,

geists

MafiaSSK

(2) -

Desperado

, Sakura Hana
Ser Arthur Dayne (2) -

pieguyn

, Cephrir

Desperado

(2) -

MC Maraca

, Casso the King of Seals
Bert (2) - KoreanBBQ, Ser Arthur Dayne
Cephrir (1) - F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Not Voting (2) -

MafiaSSK

, Bert

here both zmuffin and Generic were on Casso. this was an L-3 wagon. this indicates that their votes on Casso were indeed towards getting him lynched

now the question is, is Casso a mislynch or were they bussing? if it weren't for the fact zmuffin and Generic are both good scumplayers there's no way in hell this would be a bus. not to mention idk if zmuffin would bus Nacho for practically no reason. on one hand, Nacho is a good scumplayer and they've won together multiple times before as scum (even if I should have won one of those games :>). on the other hand, zmuffin started attacking him right when he replaced in which iirc matches what he did in death's diner (someone correct me if I'm wrong plz) and, given zmuffin tends to do really unexpected things as scum to get people to townread him, bussing Nacho seems like the kind of thing he'd do to fit this mentality although it works with Nacho town too. and if cephrir is indeed scum they already have a shitton of good scum players without Nacho

looking at the other VCs, both zmuffin and Generic were sitting on Nacho for a while earlier. leaving your vote on a scumbuddy you plan to bus while a town wagon goes through is a p common scum tactic. but this is almost too blatant to be that considering they were both doing it. this is also what I'm talking about re: Cephrir redirecting suspicion

if Nacho is scum then there is a shitton of bussing going on among the scum team (everyone on SSK, Casso on zmuffin, zmuffin and Generic on Casso). I'm really not sure it makes sense they'd pull shit like that considering with that much skill on the scumteam they could probably attempt to work together instead (e.g. marktetplace).

also, zmuffin was JOAT so I don't think it makes sense for Casso to bus him here. he was on that zmuffin wagon that popped up earlier and so it seemed like he legitimately wanted him lynched

looking at Generic's vote:

And we have a concensus, beautiful.

VOTE: Casso

this came at the end of his huge conversation with DOMO about Nacho and feels like scum joining a mislynch. zmuffin's vote works regardless of Casso's alignment

so yeah I'm feeling relatively comfortable with Casso town. if he's somehow scum here this would be outright next level play considering SSK, zmuffin, and Generic and I would just crawl into a hole and die > <//

Desperado

(10)(LYNCH) -

MC Maraca

, Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana,

Generic

, Cephrir, Ser Arthur Dayne,

geists

, KoreanBBQ,

pieguyn

, Bert
Casso the King of Seals (4) -

goodmorning

,

BROseidon

,

zMuffinMan

,

Desperado

Cephrir (3) - F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Norlkaz,

DOMO

Bert (1) -

MafiaSSK

Not Voting (0) - N/A

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Ser Arthur Dayne (5) -

pieguyn

, Prophylaxis, KoreanBBQ, Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana
Titus (2) - Norlkaz,

Ms Marangal

Prophylaxis (2) -

zMuffinMan

, Titus

pieguyn

(1) - Ser Arthur Dayne

Not Voting (3) -

geists

, F-16_Fighting_Falcon,

goodmorning

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Titus (6) - Norlkaz,

Ms Marangal

, Sakura Hana, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Prophylaxis, KoreanBBQ
Ser Arthur Dayne (2) -

pieguyn

, Casso the King of Seals
Prophylaxis (2) -

zMuffinMan

, Titus

pieguyn

(1) - Ser Arthur Dayne

Not Voting (2) -

geists

,

goodmorning

both the Titus and SAD wagons look p town driven. the Proph wagon is entirely scum driven if Titus is scum, which fits with scum needing a counterwagon to Titus and possibly SAD

also, a Titus scumflip would probably clear Proph considering that would make 3 scum who pushed for Proph's lynch, and I don't see scum bussing Proph here for no reason as opposed to continuing normally


Ser Arthur Dayne (3) - Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana,

Ms Marangal

Titus (3) - F-16_Fighting_Falcon, KoreanBBQ,

pieguyn

Prophylaxis (3) -

zMuffinMan

, Titus, Ser Arthur Dayne

zMuffinMan

(1) - Prophylaxis

Not Voting (3) -

geists

, Norlkaz,

goodmorning

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zMuffinMan

(7)(LYNCH) - Prophylaxis, Ser Arthur Dayne,

geists

,

Ms Marangal

, Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana, F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Ser Arthur Dayne (2) -

zMuffinMan

, Norlkaz
Titus (2) - KoreanBBQ,

pieguyn

Prophylaxis (1) - Titus

pieguyn

(1) -

goodmorning

Not Voting (0) - N/A

nothing much we can tell from this one. again liking SAD for scum on here. if it's not SAD it's probably Norl off the wagon or maybe Sakura

tl;dr: Ceph/Titus is scum and a Titus scumflip would give us a shitton of information. Casso is probably town. there's a bunch of wagons where it looks like the only possibility for scum on said wagon is SAD and that makes me lean towards SAD scum. I need to go back and look at all the SAD-zmuffin interactions again bc Titus/SAD makes the most sense but at the same time idk if SAD makes sense from an interaction standpoint. if it's not SAD then I'm waffling on Norl with an outside chance of Sakura or Proph. and if it's not any of them idk who it could be really =.=

the other thing to note is that any scumflip should clear Casso considering Casso scum -> Sakura scum

[pieguyn]

There was a lot of interactions in the beginning of the game, and a lot of interaction before Muffin's lynch, but absolutely nothing in between. I thought SAD didn't think that he'd really have any sway during the last few days and was going for some last minute distancing.

Why did you decide to vote Titus?

I'm looking outside SAD for now. Titus is my top scumspect outside SAD

plus I'm starting to waffle myself to shit over SAD anyway. I'm conflicted bc based on interactions he seems town (and I lost my very first game on this site bc I epically failed at figuring out certain interactions couldn't possibly be scum x scum and I don't wanna fk the same thing up again) and his reactions seemed town at some points but everything else makes me lean scum on him

[KoreanBBQ]

So we're looking at 5 scums total, right? (2 left if that's the case)

If that's the case, we have 5 lynches to lynch a scum.
tbh, I think we can just lynch one or two "universal scumreads" at this point.

/lazy

[Empire]

Day 6, Votecount 3

Titus (1)

-

pieguyn

Casso the King of Seals (1)

-

Ser Arthur Dayne

Ser Arthur Dayne (1)

-

Casso the King of Seals

Norlkaz (1)

-

Prophylaxis

Not Voting (7)

-

Ms Marangal, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Norlkaz, KoreanBBQ, goodmorning, Sakura Hana, Titus

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch! Deadline is on February 27th at 11:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2014-02-28 00:28:28).

Mod Notes

-

Sakura Hana is V/LA until Tuesday. goodmorning is V/LA until Tuesday. Ms Marangal is V/LA until Monday.

[goodmorning]

How did geists clear you and why does that mean I am accusing you of cheating?

I'm sorry, I didn't realise you weren't

reading the game

.

[KoreanBBQ]

How did geists clear you and why does that mean I am accusing you of cheating?

I'm sorry, I didn't realise you weren't

reading the game

.

That's what I said since like.... day 3?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@All, be very careful of the masons here. The logical kill is one of them, yet geists dies? This is positioning.

No it's actually not. Killing one of the masons CONFIRMS the other 100%. They rather keep them to fuel paranoia and b/c geists was just as town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually

Vote: Casso

I genuinely don't think nacho is bad enough to enter the game with a vote on me. He's doing that thing that scum do where they try to act confident in their reads.

Why is a vote on you bad?

Take a brief moment to indulge in an individual mental exercise where you try to read the game and THEN attempt to analyze it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Or of course, otoh, you're scum and just attempting to bs your way through the rest of the game.

[KoreanBBQ]

If Casso is scum, that means that (1) he bussed the encryptor d1 by attempting to deadline lynch him and (2) he bussed the JoaT, which doesn't make much sense.

[KoreanBBQ]

So yeah, he's pretty much confirmed town.

[KoreanBBQ]

So after taking out conftowns/very strong town, we have:

F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Prophylaxis
Norlkaz
Ser Arthur Dayne
Titus

And we have 5 lynches left so do the math and... voila!

[KoreanBBQ]

VOTE: Titus
Let's flashlynch this today guys

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

If Casso is scum, that means that (1) he bussed the encryptor d1 by attempting to deadline lynch him and (2) he bussed the JoaT, which doesn't make much sense.

(2) felt more like distancing than a bus so I am not sure.

[KoreanBBQ]

F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Prophylaxis
Norlkaz
Ser Arthur Dayne
Titus

These all should claim right now so by the chance we have a confirmable town role here, we can take him out of the list.

P-Edit: distancing, bus, blah blah. (1) still stands though.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

So after taking out conftowns/very strong town, we have:

F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Prophylaxis
Norlkaz
Ser Arthur Dayne
Titus

And we have 5 lynches left so do the math and... voila!

I don't agree with your list. I think Norl, Proph, and I are a heck of a lot more town than Casso. Me-Generic interactions make me fairly obvtown as well.

[KoreanBBQ]

Oh oh oh also
If ppl are paranoid about Casso, we can include him on that list too, since I'm p sure at least one of those 5 will flip scum and we gain yet another lynch.

P-Edit: Then it's even better, right?

[KoreanBBQ]

If everyone agrees with the townread on F-16, Pro, Norl (tbh I wasn't keeping track of the reads)

SAD
Titus
Casso

[pieguyn]

no we only have 3 mislynches left. it's currently 2-9 and after 3 mislynches it'll be 2-3. there's not enough room to throw Casso in there

Norl

talk to me about this

[KoreanBBQ]

So can we spend the next three days flashlynching Titus -> SAD -> Casso for the win?

P-Edit: Oh. I thought we had 13 ppl left in here.

[pieguyn]

also I'm comfortable with F-16 town except I'm getting townvibes from all my scumreads and I'm starting to fear this may be a case of one-of-my-townreads-is-wrong and I'm scared it might be F-16 but the last thing I need is to get all paranoid for no reason

[KoreanBBQ]

Then 4 lynches to lynch at least one scum.

SAD
Titus
Casso

^
Base lynchpool so far

[KoreanBBQ]

Also I think we should massclaim at this point but that's just me.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

It'll probably end up being Casso + Titus.
Proph, Pieguy, F16 all tried pretty hard if scum.
GM Mara me are town
SH did stuff
SAD & BBQ have decent "Eh" dosage levels

His reads resonate at some level. They are bold, and out of the blue, but make me think that it could be possible.