Never left his wagon.In post 6424, Sakura Hana wrote:Ok, so can we get back to lynching SSK?
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ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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People who are probably town:
Me
SH
F16
Geists
Mara?
GM?
IONO:
Pieguy
Generic (Haven't really looked at; slightly sketched out but can he fake his mad?)
SAD (don't remember)
Muffin
BBQ (just did round 1; inconclusive)
Probably a decent number of scum here:
Casso
Prophylaxis
Titus
COWBELL
SSK
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In post 6373, zMuffinMan wrote:
regardless ofpieguy wrote:what do you think of the associatives between SAD and zmuffin?SAD'smuffin's alignment, i'm town here. so get over your boner for me, i don't swing that way, tiavezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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Yes.In post 6367, Generic wrote:The desire to push through the day
And yes.In post 6367, Generic wrote:the soft defence of Titus with a qualifier that he was townreading ceph...
I don't see how either of the former two statements lead to this conclusion but ummm... rock on?In post 6367, Generic wrote:Not a fan of that post at all.vezokpiraka: If you are playing on EUNE we can duo.
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Why are you only probably town?
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This is actually not the worst case ever.In post 6409, Titus wrote:Yeah, come on. Look at it from an outsider's perspective...
Suspect claims scum drove up wagon... suspect clears all but the tail end as scum and the weakest player is scum. Suspect claims facts inconsistent with their own theory. The suspect's wagon was skipped by the suspect's own scumread in favor of another townread. It doesn't pass the smell test. Scum didn't drive up your wagon. Town did.
Ofc, Casso is Scum, but other than that, not horrible.
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I'm actually town so yeah, it takes me awhile to get moving but once I get moving I sound a lot smarter. Let's talk and hash some things out.In post 6431, goodmorning wrote:
This is actually not the worst case ever.In post 6409, Titus wrote:Yeah, come on. Look at it from an outsider's perspective...
Suspect claims scum drove up wagon... suspect clears all but the tail end as scum and the weakest player is scum. Suspect claims facts inconsistent with their own theory. The suspect's wagon was skipped by the suspect's own scumread in favor of another townread. It doesn't pass the smell test. Scum didn't drive up your wagon. Town did.
Ofc, Casso is Scum, but other than that, not horrible.
I approve of Norl's most recent readslist.
First, your post implies that there's a problem with thinking Casso is scum and that you think I like Casso as town. This is partially accurate, as I like his playing but not his votes on day 1. Care to elaborate to help me figure out which is more likely Casso?
Second, if you think Casso being is scum as horrible, why would you approve of Norl's readlist? ~confused~ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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It looks like our reads are converging.In post 6427, Norlkaz wrote:People who are probably town:
Me
SH
F16
Geists
Mara?
GM?
IONO:
Pieguy
Generic (Haven't really looked at; slightly sketched out but can he fake his mad?)
SAD (don't remember)
Muffin
BBQ (just did round 1; inconclusive)
Probably a decent number of scum here:
Casso
Prophylaxis
Titus
COWBELL
SSK
But yeah, let's just do SSK. It will probably be easier for me to read for real when an actual choice is being made.
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why so defensive? I don't even have you on the table today. like at all. I'm waiting for SAD to flip before going after you bc if he somehow flips town that screws up the whole SAD-zmuffin theory (and a lot of my case on you is based on associatives to him). are you in shock that I'm not actually townreading youIn post 6373, zMuffinMan wrote:regardless of SAD's alignment, i'm town here. so get over your boner for me, i don't swing that way, tia
in the meantime, can you explain why I moved up a tier in your townlist?
walk me through this. first off, do you think his erratic voting is necessarily bc he's scum? if he gets lost in large games then I'd think this could be attributed to that insteadIn post 6393, Sakura Hana wrote:P.Ed: My take on that is buddying, and speaking of Bert, perhaps you should check what happened during the last few pages of Day 2 with regards to voting, or ISO me and look for my case on Bert and his awful response to it.
second, which posts exactly looked fake? I'm inclined to agree his interaction with you was kind of fake and/or forced, but I suck at figuring out if posts are fake or not. and if the best way to judge Bert is based off sincerity, then that should be p telling. does town Bert usually respond differently to cases on him?-
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do you think he'd be able to fake the way he was acting when he replaced in?In post 6371, geists wrote:I have a relatively small sample of scum-Bert games, between what I've played and what I've read. None of his scum games have been exactly like the others, but the sincerity and transparency seem hard for him to fake.
Something else that has characterized his recent scum games (the ones I was in) is that I die on night 1 (or maybe my first night in the game). Now that I've said that out loud I wouldn't assume that surviving a night or two in future games indicates he's town.
I'm basically in the same position as you. I had a town-as-fuck read on him when he came in and then it's gotten weaker and weaker bc he's not doing anything. but I still wanna call him town bc his replace in seemed town as fuck. but on the other hand what Generic said about Proph is making me hesitate a whole fking lot 0.0
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To be fair to Hana, these are the day 1 major wagons in FEA. (sans the wagon on scum)In post 6409, Titus wrote:Yeah, come on. Look at it from an outsider's perspective...
Suspect claims scum drove up wagon... suspect clears all but the tail end as scum and the weakest player is scum. Suspect claims facts inconsistent with their own theory. The suspect's wagon was skipped by the suspect's own scumread in favor of another townread. It doesn't pass the smell test. Scum didn't drive up your wagon. Town did.
PeregrineV 7 (chesskid3, Thirdkoopa, talah, ActionDan, Saki, Ellibereth, notscience)
only one team scum on this wagon
Makiavel 6 (Nero Cain, chesskid3, Ellibereth, GoodCop_BadCop, Rift Adrift, notscience)
one scum
Sakura Hana 7 (chesskid3, Ellibereth, T S O, GoodCop_BadCop, ActionDan, Nero Cain, Nat
no scum
talah 6 (BulbaFenix, Maestro, Nero Cain, Natirasha, Makiavel-slot, Sakura Hana)
one scum
This limited data suggests (and I personally have the same theory) that town are more responsible for running up a wagon than scum. I think its a totes natural town reaction to think a wagon is scum lead.
Hana is prob town unless you think she's faking the whole "I quit mafia!"/edit signature thing. I think someone called that the blacklist tell.
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Why are you asking this? I'll have to iso to find it and get back to you.In post 6433, geists wrote: @KBBQ do you guys have thoughts about the reads list I posted yesterday?
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Bert and I both replaced into this newbie game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5320762In post 6436, pieguyn wrote:
do you think he'd be able to fake the way he was acting when he replaced in?In post 6371, geists wrote:I have a relatively small sample of scum-Bert games, between what I've played and what I've read. None of his scum games have been exactly like the others, but the sincerity and transparency seem hard for him to fake.
Something else that has characterized his recent scum games (the ones I was in) is that I die on night 1 (or maybe my first night in the game). Now that I've said that out loud I wouldn't assume that surviving a night or two in future games indicates he's town.
I'm basically in the same position as you. I had a town-as-fuck read on him when he came in and then it's gotten weaker and weaker bc he's not doing anything. but I still wanna call him town bc his replace in seemed town as fuck. but on the other hand what Generic said about Proph is making me hesitate a whole fking lot 0.0
and what are your thoughts on his interactions with Sakura and ATE? does he usually act like that as town?
He was scum.
My impression is that he can't fake the sincerity as scum, but he can throw enough chaos into his gameplay that you don't notice it's missing unless you're looking for it. That seemed to be true of Mala's Castle mini, which I meta'd. I described his play in that game as a burlesque of his town game.-
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Because if we disagree I want to learn why and see if I think I'm wrong or I think you're wrong.In post 6438, KoreanBBQ wrote:
Why are you asking this? I'll have to iso to find it and get back to you.In post 6433, geists wrote: @KBBQ do you guys have thoughts about the reads list I posted yesterday?
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Mara/GM, Casso, KKB, Gen, Hana, pie, f-16, Proph, Muffin, SAD, Norl, RC, Titus, SSK<-that would be your list laid out.In post 6327, geists wrote:Town
MC Maraca/Ms Marangal
Good Morning
Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665)
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) (stronger ffery read, lean town for Nati)
Lean Town
Generic
Sakura Hana
pieguyn
Limbo
F-16_Fighting_Falcon (ffery is lean-town, Nati is null)
Bert/Proph - More content from Proph will change this
zMuffinMan (Nati is lean-town, ffery is null)
Ser Arthur Dayne
Norkalz (Nati really doesn't like this version of llamarble. ffery is null and kinda likes that post that just popped up in p-edit)
Scum
BROseidon/Radiant Cowbells (close to null but his below-the-radar play on day 2 scares both of us. ffery is thinking really hard about xenoblade about now.
Ceph/Titus (fell from null-town in part due to argument with generic and in part due to titus entrance and subsequent horrible pushes.)
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Our lists seem pretty similar.In post 6308, KoreanBBQ wrote:Town<<<kbbq, Gen,f-16, geists, Mara/GM, Casso, Pie, muffin, Bro, proph, SAD, Norl, Titus, SSK>>>scum
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If someone is aware of a tell, you have to be considering the possibility of a fake.In post 6437, KoreanBBQ wrote:
To be fair to Hana, these are the day 1 major wagons in FEA. (sans the wagon on scum)In post 6409, Titus wrote:Yeah, come on. Look at it from an outsider's perspective...
Suspect claims scum drove up wagon... suspect clears all but the tail end as scum and the weakest player is scum. Suspect claims facts inconsistent with their own theory. The suspect's wagon was skipped by the suspect's own scumread in favor of another townread. It doesn't pass the smell test. Scum didn't drive up your wagon. Town did.
PeregrineV 7 (chesskid3, Thirdkoopa, talah, ActionDan, Saki, Ellibereth, notscience)
only one team scum on this wagon
Makiavel 6 (Nero Cain, chesskid3, Ellibereth, GoodCop_BadCop, Rift Adrift, notscience)
one scum
Sakura Hana 7 (chesskid3, Ellibereth, T S O, GoodCop_BadCop, ActionDan, Nero Cain, Nat
no scum
talah 6 (BulbaFenix, Maestro, Nero Cain, Natirasha, Makiavel-slot, Sakura Hana)
one scum
This limited data suggests (and I personally have the same theory) that town are more responsible for running up a wagon than scum. I think its a totes natural town reaction to think a wagon is scum lead.
Hana is prob town unless you think she's faking the whole "I quit mafia!"/edit signature thing. I think someone called that the blacklist tell.
Do you think she is faking?
I LOVE fucking with tells as scum. It was my main drive in Fire and Ice.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
You're letting Titus win the game by herself.Good luck now I guess.You have no chance to win.~Tywin
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My list isn't seriatim so the layout differences are kinda meh.In post 6441, KoreanBBQ wrote:
Mara/GM, Casso, KKB, Gen, Hana, pie, f-16, Proph, Muffin, SAD, Norl, RC, Titus, SSK<-that would be your list laid out.In post 6327, geists wrote:Town
MC Maraca/Ms Marangal
Good Morning
Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665)
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) (stronger ffery read, lean town for Nati)
Lean Town
Generic
Sakura Hana
pieguyn
Limbo
F-16_Fighting_Falcon (ffery is lean-town, Nati is null)
Bert/Proph - More content from Proph will change this
zMuffinMan (Nati is lean-town, ffery is null)
Ser Arthur Dayne
Norkalz (Nati really doesn't like this version of llamarble. ffery is null and kinda likes that post that just popped up in p-edit)
Scum
BROseidon/Radiant Cowbells (close to null but his below-the-radar play on day 2 scares both of us. ffery is thinking really hard about xenoblade about now.
Ceph/Titus (fell from null-town in part due to argument with generic and in part due to titus entrance and subsequent horrible pushes.)
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Our lists seem pretty similar.In post 6308, KoreanBBQ wrote:Town<<<kbbq, Gen,f-16, geists, Mara/GM, Casso, Pie, muffin, Bro, proph, SAD, Norl, Titus, SSK>>>scum
Do you think that you and Norl's reads converging makes him town?
The one that jumps out to me is that you have RC/Bro more in the null range and I have them in my scumpile. Radiant Cowbells could change that, but not by disappearing.
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goodmorning AnySurvivorAny
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I'm saying you eliminated Casso for case purposes as Sakura townreads them, and that they're obviously Scum but that doesn't change the fact that's not a horrible case to make.In post 6432, Titus wrote:
I'm actually town so yeah, it takes me awhile to get moving but once I get moving I sound a lot smarter. Let's talk and hash some things out.In post 6431, goodmorning wrote:
This is actually not the worst case ever.In post 6409, Titus wrote:Yeah, come on. Look at it from an outsider's perspective...
Suspect claims scum drove up wagon... suspect clears all but the tail end as scum and the weakest player is scum. Suspect claims facts inconsistent with their own theory. The suspect's wagon was skipped by the suspect's own scumread in favor of another townread. It doesn't pass the smell test. Scum didn't drive up your wagon. Town did.
Ofc, Casso is Scum, but other than that, not horrible.
First, your post implies that there's a problem with thinking Casso is scum and that you think I like Casso as town. This is partially accurate, as I like his playing but not his votes on day 1. Care to elaborate to help me figure out which is more likely Casso?
Second, if you think Casso being is scum as horrible, why would you approve of Norl's readlist? ~confused~
Mara and to some extent ffery disagree with me, so I'm going back over them tonight and will post what I come up with in QT just in case I die.
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In post 6439, geists wrote:Bert and I both replaced into this newbie game: viewtopic.php?p=5320762#p5320762
He was scum.
My impression is that he can't fake the sincerity as scum, but he can throw enough chaos into his gameplay that you don't notice it's missing unless you're looking for it. That seemed to be true of Mala's Castle mini, which I meta'd. I described his play in that game as a burlesque of his town game.
talk to me about this chaos. his opening seemed really chaotic and p much no one had any idea what the hell he was doing, so do you think that's what's he was doing here?
I'm really undecided bc I think his town game is chaotic too and there were some parts that looked really sincere like 2368 and 2402. what do you think?
actually looking through Bert's ISO I'm relatively certain he's town. if he's scum I'll feel outright trolled-
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Yes, he's chaotic as town, too. I didn't mean to imply chaotic means scummy.In post 6448, pieguyn wrote:In post 6439, geists wrote:Bert and I both replaced into this newbie game: viewtopic.php?p=5320762#p5320762
He was scum.
My impression is that he can't fake the sincerity as scum, but he can throw enough chaos into his gameplay that you don't notice it's missing unless you're looking for it. That seemed to be true of Mala's Castle mini, which I meta'd. I described his play in that game as a burlesque of his town game.
talk to me about this chaos. his opening seemed really chaotic and p much no one had any idea what the hell he was doing, so do you think that's what's he was doing here?
I'm really undecided bc I think his town game is chaotic too and there were some parts that looked really sincere like 2368 and 2402. what do you think?
actually looking through Bert's ISO I'm relatively certain he's town. if he's scum I'll feel outright trolled
I'll look at his ISO again, but after the Red Wine game I'm not likely to give a replacement a free town card on the basis of their predecessor. The replacement will have to town it up also.
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