NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Casso the King of Seals]

fwiw if Casso is town then SAD is scum

also, if Tammy is good at reading casso that might explain the tammy kill 0.0

tammy is good at reading 75% of this playerlist.

we all benefitted from her death.

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Vote: Desp

that better be the sound of sakuratown reads shattering all over the game that i'm hearing

Why?

[Desperado]

because it was really shitty?

[Casso the King of Seals]

It's the same reason DOMO got paranoid of you. Sakura already stated that she thought you and SSK were scum, so the switch can't be that surprising.

[Bert]

Do you see parallels between his hydra play in Faraday's uPick and this game as a solo? If so, how

[Casso the King of Seals]

I thought that BBQ's self-vote in the heat of the deadline pressure was a pretty solid town move, even if you discount his play before that point.

Do you disagree?

[Bert]

Yes, I do. I feel like it's a fake towntell, and how it was a pretty solid town move is beyond me when there were no votes on his wagon. If not a fake towntell, at least non-alignment indicative.

[Empire]

Day 2, Votecount 31

Casso the King of Seals (7)

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goodmorning, Norlkaz, BROseidon, Generic, zMuffinMan, geists, Desperado

Desperado (3)

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MC Maraca, Casso the King of Seals, Sakura Hana

Ser Arthur Dayne (3)

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pieguyn, Cephrir, Bert

Bert (2)

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KoreanBBQ, Ser Arthur Dayne

Cephrir (1)

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F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Not Voting (2)

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MafiaSSK, DOMO

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch! Deadline is on January 11th at 10:10 AM EST (expired on 2014-01-11 11:10:12)

Mod Notes

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fferyllt head of geists is V/LA until the 8th. GuyInFreezer head of KoreanBBQ is V/LA until Friday.

[Desperado]

It's the same reason DOMO got paranoid of you. Sakura already stated that she thought you and SSK were scum, so the switch can't be that surprising.

at least domo attempted to suggest what i might have meant (thus opening himself up to egg on face once i clarified what should have been obvious). sakura just bolded it in an emphatic statement of my guilt and it was really lame and scummy

[Casso the King of Seals]

Do you see parallels between his hydra play in Faraday's uPick and this game as a solo? If so, how

I see more parallels to his normal scum game than I do to his hydra play in ASOIAF. In both games I remember playing against Desp as scum (Wingate and Xenogears), he's had fits of activity but eventually fell completely below the surface. Here it's fairly similar; he's still pushing cases and he still has cases, but there's no effort to sort anything out or step it up at all even though a few people he feels are scum are completely under the radar in the consensus.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Yes, I do. I feel like it's a fake towntell, and how it was a pretty solid town move is beyond me when there were no votes on his wagon. If not a fake towntell, at least non-alignment indicative.

It felt real, and it made sense for GiF to get extremely frustrated when he was pushing a scumread on Varsoon, no one was listening, a fuck ton of wagons rise and fell but never came back to the SC suspicion he was holding for forever.

[Sakura Hana]

at least domo attempted to suggest what i might have meant (thus opening himself up to egg on face once i clarified what should have been obvious). sakura just bolded it in an emphatic statement of my guilt and it was really lame and scummy

So you would have rather me copy what DOMO said? I had said reaction while reading, yet he already mentioned it, I felt no need to repeat what you should've known and the reason I bolded it should've been obvious to anyone reading.

[Generic]

fwiw if Casso is town then SAD is scum

also, if Tammy is good at reading casso that might explain the tammy kill 0.0

tammy is good at reading 75% of this playerlist. we all benefitted from her death.

Wow.

Just, wow.

That's one hell of a slip.

vote desperado

[Bert]

Are you sure that's a scumslip?

[Casso the King of Seals]

Bro, this is I'm not sure what - a warning I guess. I'm teetering on the precipice of massive paranoia about you.

Muffin, Desp, I've already fallen into the abyss. I would totally lynch either of you today.

Could you take me through the reasons not to lynch Desp today?

[Casso the King of Seals]

He's been creating a theory where I coach SSK into intentionally acting scummy in order to take the heat off me (instead of reiterating the original push on him) and his entire case on me is based on that and how more people aren't currently voting me. And then when I point out that the basis of his case (scum aren't jumping on Nacho, thus Nacho is scum) is wrong, he accuses me of not scumhunting and doesn't actually address anything that I brought forward.

afaik he had more on you than this. iirc he did before and he certainly does now. someone tell me if I'm wrong plz

If he had more on me, what is it?

also, explain your zmuffin read? I don't get it. looking through your ISO I remember stuff like this

I measured to the 26th. Site downtime hasn't affected anyone else incredibly significantly, so I didn't think that it affected you that horribly. I think the difference is still important even when considering holidays.

but now it say his excuses for apathy are valid, and then also say it's "not what you'd expect from town muffin", when said apathy was iirc p much the whole reason for this. explain why the flip flop plz. and if that's not it then what other reservations are you having about him?

I agree that I was probably being a little bit too harsh in 4394 with Muffin earlier apathy. I have explained why I don't really think that an apathetic Muffin in this playlist is a townMuffin, but basic reasoning is that he usually enjoys town more than scum unless he has VIs to sort through, which frustrate him. In this game, there are no VIs and so I would expect him to enjoy sorting through all of this, but there's no sign of anything in his ISO. Where has Muffin actively scumhunted in this game? What has he contributed? Nothing, nothing. And I am completely aware that he can contribute more as either alignment, but I don't see why he hasn't contributed more here considering the usual complaints and obstacles aren't in place. Before, it was site downtime and holidays which is an "okay, fair enough". Now site downtime is done with, holidays are over... Why isn't Muffin stepping up?

[BROseidon]

DOMO, i'm gonna abuse my confirmed town status here a bit and tell you as nicely as I can to drop it. There's things going on outside the game, and the site in general right now, that has ffery on the very edge of her play.

I agree that you're taking this too far, DOMO.

I know I said I'd sheep you till hell freezes over, but we're aware of this train of thought, and we can address it should the prerequisite set of flips happen. It's not the best thing to push right now.

We need to push through a Casso lynch right now.

[Casso the King of Seals]

*throws fit*

This post serves no purpose. If something upsets you, do something.

There are reasonable counterarguments to many of the things I posted regarding SSK.
Isoscum deployed a similar "why are you ignoring my vote" and the emphatic quickreaction may have been real excitement caused by how well Ceph's post fit the narrative he was creating.
"I don't understand this wagon" is certainly an easy way to not engage.
Perhaps that read was wrong. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again.

Casso's first hundred posts don't justify not lynching them.

My first hundred posts probably don't justify not lynching me at this point in the game.
The next 400 do. Have you read any of them? Where are the flaws in my reads that would point to me being scum? Am I pushing anyone that doesn't look scummy? Am I protecting anyone that doesn't look town?

You owe it with me if you are town to at least comment on the reads themselves instead of dismissing my leg work as busywork.

[Casso the King of Seals]

DOMO, i'm gonna abuse my confirmed town status here a bit and tell you as nicely as I can to drop it. There's things going on outside the game, and the site in general right now, that has ffery on the very edge of her play.

I agree that you're taking this too far, DOMO.

I know I said I'd sheep you till hell freezes over, but we're aware of this train of thought, and we can address it should the prerequisite set of flips happen. It's not the best thing to push right now.

We need to push through a Casso lynch right now.

I hope to god that I was wrong about you.

[Desperado]

fwiw if Casso is town then SAD is scum

also, if Tammy is good at reading casso that might explain the tammy kill 0.0

tammy is good at reading 75% of this playerlist. we all benefitted from her death.

Wow.

Just, wow.

That's one hell of a slip.

vote desperado

[BROseidon]

That SSK is probably town too, and thus doc. Also, that BRO, generic and bert all look dodgy for sheeping me as I tried to muster up votes for you.

I'm shamelessly sheeping you till death do us part. Don't worry.

[Desperado]

Do you see parallels between his hydra play in Faraday's uPick and this game as a solo? If so, how

I see more parallels to his normal scum game than I do to his hydra play in ASOIAF. In both games I remember playing against Desp as scum (Wingate and Xenogears), he's had fits of activity but eventually fell completely below the surface. Here it's fairly similar; he's still pushing cases and he still has cases, but there's no effort to sort anything out or step it up at all even though a few people he feels are scum are completely under the radar in the consensus.

i haven't had to step it up--this town is actually doing things that i want to do also, which is oddly refreshing after having to fight the town so hard in the upick

[Bert]

In this last page, Nacho your emotion is not revealing in the way I envision you as town

Corny

[Generic]

Are you sure that's a scumslip?

I'm not sure of anything in this shit heap of a day, but I'm reading it as one.

[Desperado]

Why isn't Muffin stepping up?

is there an echo in here?

[Desperado]

Are you sure that's a scumslip?

I'm not sure of anything in this shit heap of a day, but I'm reading it as one.

do you disagree with my assessment?