NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Empire]

Day 2, Votecount 19

Casso the King of Seals (4)

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goodmorning, DOMO, Norlkaz, Desperado

Desperado (3)

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Sakura Hana, MC Maraca, Casso the King of Seals

MafiaSSK (2)

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Bert, zMuffinMan

Cephrir (2)

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Ser Arthur Dayne, F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Ser Arthur Dayne (2)

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pieguyn, Cephrir

Bert (1)

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KoreanBBQ

Not Voting (4)

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geists, MafiaSSK, Generic, BROseidon

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch! Deadline is on January 11th at 10:10 AM EST (expired on 2014-01-11 11:10:12)

Mod Notes

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Generic is V/LA until Sunday.

[MC Maraca]

I think SSK is scum.

I do not think we should lynch him today.

I'm kinda there with ya too.

[Bert]

Mara, we agree on SSK. Maybe you're not so Mara-culous after all

[Bert]

Vote: Casso

Trusting my instincts that tell me that the people with cases on Casso make points that are justified and point to Casso-scum in most likelihood.

Let the door go boom or bust.

[MC Maraca]

Bert, that wasn't mara.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SER ARTHUR DAYNE

I see you ignoring me. quit it and answer my questions already
4399

Your bidding, master.

looking back on it, why was my reaction one of the most boringest reactions in the world?

Because I had the same exact read as before I pushed you - which is boring because it wasted my time and really didn't effect my read at all.

nope you were townreading me earlier

No I wasn't? I first scumread you, tried to reaction-test you, it didn't change my mind, then I thought you were town after a while, then I returned to thinking you were scum after some horrible posting.

Pie wtf.

I thought you were actually town.

How do you go back to making me think you're scum in a span of 2 pages.

where'd this come from?

This thing called the brain? You might recognize it, it's this organ most humans have that servers as the center of the nervous system.

there was plenty of discussion about SC so I'd imagine you should be going back and looking at his wagon and people's stances on him etc.

You want me to analyze a wagon that formed in a half a day for who's scum on it? Are you serious? I'm sorry for not being that good?

wow this is a blatant misrep

No it's not? But try again?

it's not just about the wagon. I said IN THAT SAME POST there was other information, e.g. people's stances on him, and then there was another wagon on him earlier D1, and so on. even if you found the wagon hard to analyze I'd expect you to at least have expressed that but you didn't even talk about said wagon at all. it makes me think you're scum BS'ing your stances and forgot all about the wagon

See 4303.

and instead you ATTACK THE GUY WHO'S SCRUTINIZING HOW YOUR NULL READ HAMMERED?

I "attack". If you think that's me "attacking" then are you in for a surprise. That was me pointing at something that irked me and found silly.

how is that even relevant to anything?

it doesn't change the fact that you're supposedly interested in looking at the information from the lynch. but then when Generic tried to do that exact same thing, you apparently found it to be silly. either way, your thought process is contradictory as fuck

Yes, because it was silly? Also, I never directly said

I'm

interested in looking for information from the lynch, I said I'm interested in a lynch that produces a lot of information. Those don't exactly equal the same thing.

also answer my point about OMGUS plz

And this is?

[DOMO]

I don't think geists should be given the trust as being such an official town leader. Natirasha is very reactive, and that's really not good when deciding on a very rushed or heated lynch.

No shit. Do tell me more about how mafia is played.
What I was doing was indirectly commenting on the quote that you quoted. Providing my own opinion on why thinking of geists as a town leader is badidea.

Who did you protect last night?

You. Because you are an important asset to town.

That's fucking insane given the masons claim.

It's fucking insane full stop.

This claim is so dodgy taking into account how he doesn't trust geists to lead the town that I can't help but feel it's deliberately bad, designed to derail the current wagon. It wouldn't be outrageous for him to sacrifice himself to save casso, if indeed both are on the same scum team.

Let's have a look at the next flurry of votes -

unvote
vote: casso

omgus is a hell of a drug

If casso and SSK are scum together then no way in hell is desperado with them, this vote does the opposite of derail casso's wagon. This would be a sick bus if SSK casso desp are all one team.

bert quickvotes SSK.
Nork votes casso.
desp votes casso.
F-16 votes ceph.
pieface votes SAD.
muffin votes SSK.
Bert changes to casso.

Assuming casso and SSK are both scum, then nork and desp are looking very good.

F-16 and pie could be trying to derail casso, I'd say their votes would be null.

muffin's vote looks bad and is deserving of scrutiny.

bert looks fucking awful, the quick attempt to derail casso's wagon and then oh shit better bus him then.

If casso and SSK are scum, then lynch bert hard, and take a good look at muffin.

If casso and/or SSK is town, then I guess this is nonsense. But I doubt I'll be around long enough to analyse shit based on flips, I'm gonna have to make some assumptions.

[KoreanBBQ]

I would call f16 super town too if his read on me didn't look fabricated.

It isn't. I have actually read through one of your scumgames (Newbie 1429) where Bert replaced you and I replaced Beginner. From what I recall, your predecessor was obvscum but you turned the slot around fooling even very good players like Nacho and ffery and by the time you were finished with it, everyone was convinced that the slot was town. Bert and I managed to push through a win in LYLO both based on our predecessor's play. This corroborates with other scary things that I hear about your scumgames so I am holding off on taking a definitive stance on you until I gather more information about you. I may probably even end up trying to read Nero if he turns out to be easier to read.

@ Pieguyn, I haven't forgotten about your post. I'll come to that soon.

Right. So your paranoia is based that one game where I didn't even stay long enough to be evaluated and other ppl saying "dude this guy good as scum".
You had that paranoia since day 1 and that paranoia is based on that one not-even-completed scumgame of mine. I call BS on that. You had plenty of time to look over at least few more games that I actually completed. Added with the effort value I've seen from you in this game, it looks half-assed.

[KoreanBBQ]

I mean, if that so called "paranoia" came from somewhere like xenoblade (man I suffered a lot of harass for that game) I would understand but a freaking newb 1429? Nope.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I haven't come to you yet. I can't make an effort to meta-dive everyone at once. For now, all I have is your good scumgame to worry about. I'll refine the read when I get to you after I finish refining other reads.

[Cephrir]

domo you are in just the most massive rabbit hole here on the assumption casso is scum

even though they aren't

[zMuffinMan]

I can't help but feel it's deliberately bad, designed to derail the current wagon

the simpler explanation is that it's mafiassk. i don't actually think he knows what he's doing

plus if this is your theory, why do you think it has anything to do with casso? mafiassk's last posts came when casso had only 2 votes and there were 2 other wagons with more votes than him at the time

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: Bert

Ceph is (sadly) town.
Muffin is town.
mafiassk is (still) scum.
Bert is scum.
Koreanbbq is town.
Pie is now leaning town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

bert looks fucking awful, the quick attempt to derail casso's wagon and then oh shit better bus him then.

No, bert was attempting to bus ssk prematurely then jumped on the opportunistic casso wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

This claim is so dodgy taking into account how he doesn't trust geists to lead the town that I can't help but feel it's deliberately bad, designed to derail the current wagon. It wouldn't be outrageous for him to sacrifice himself to save casso, if indeed both are on the same scum team.

No. The casso wagon wasnt much of a wagon when he claimed who he protected.

[Bert]

bert looks fucking awful, the quick attempt to derail casso's wagon and then oh shit better bus him then.

If casso and SSK are scum, then lynch bert hard, and take a good look at muffin.

If casso and/or SSK is town, then I guess this is nonsense. But I doubt I'll be around long enough to analyse shit based on flips, I'm gonna have to make some assumptions.

Lining up lynches doesn't look too effective here before any of the two have flipped (Casso and SSK, that is).

Also, suggesting that I'd like to bus Casso is kinda strange. Not sure I've heard that before. Nacho's a much stronger player than I am as both alignments...that's an understatement

[BROseidon]

Hey guys, I apologize for the lack of activity. I'm back from vacation now, and I should be getting to this game tomorrow. Catching up make me just not want to post :/

[Cephrir]

Ceph is (sadly) town.

I don't think you get to just do that, sorry.

[geists]

I'll do what ffery won't.

VOTE: SSK

Why aren't we lynching him?

[MC Maraca]

See here's the thing. By saying "we'll leave SSK around so that he has to protect the PR but don't worry we all know he's really scum anyways" we've removed the motivation for SSK and his team to play along, that is, the chance of salvaging his slot. So I think nati's got the right idea here.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I was torn about SSK. On one hand, even if he were scum, I felt that it would allow DOMO to give us one more perhaps crucial investigation. But at the rate this is going, they'll probably kill him anyways and claim that SSK was roleblocked or whatever because it doesn't really seem like anyone is buying his claim. I am leaning towards just lynching SSK today. Will think about it.

[MC Maraca]

I was torn about SSK. On one hand, even if he were scum, I felt that it would allow DOMO to give us one more perhaps crucial investigation. But at the rate this is going, they'll probably kill him anyways and claim that SSK was roleblocked or whatever because it doesn't really seem like anyone is buying his claim. I am leaning towards just lynching SSK today. Will think about it.

You're a minute late there. Try to keep up.

[KoreanBBQ]

I was torn about SSK. On one hand, even if he were scum, I felt that it would allow DOMO to give us one more perhaps crucial investigation. But at the rate this is going, they'll probably kill him anyways and claim that SSK was roleblocked or whatever because it doesn't really seem like anyone is buying his claim. I am leaning towards just lynching SSK today. Will think about it.

You're a minute late there. Try to keep up.

Regardless of who wrote this it was needlessly rude.

@Whomever

-Bullet case on Thorcho.

[zMuffinMan]

I'll do what ffery won't.

ily nati

[Desperado]

I'll do what ffery won't.

VOTE: SSK

Why aren't we lynching him?

maybe i was wrong about you nat

unvote
vote: ssk