Here ya go nacho. Please tell me how this was opportunistic at this stage.In post 4132, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:And like I still maintain that it the lynch was purely random at that point, but you probably guessed right since I hate his claim and the way he claimed (and he's now risen on my scumradar).
So props to you for guessing correct on something that had complete random probability? Go you!
NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)
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Nacho you've spent pages of back and forth with Muffin, and yet Desperado is your strongest scum read. I don't remember you putting a lot of effort into sorting him. Has your exchange with muffin made your read weaker?In post 4431, Casso the King of Seals wrote:CAST DOWN FROM HEAVEN (FURY OF FLING FROM STRONGEST TO WEAKEST):
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I'll need more detailed feedback. IIRC you aren't happy with my quantity of posts, but if anything the rate will have to increase if I take more of a point role than I have thus far.In post 4430, Norlkaz wrote:Geists being our Official Town Leader is something I approve of.I would appreciateimproved quality controlson your posts so that I can work with you, though.-
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No shit. Do tell me more about how mafia is played.In post 4454, geists wrote:There are no such things as official town leaders. There are leadership vacuums and there are players (usually multiple players in most games) who fill them. And they do that only with the cooperation of the majority of players.
What I was doing was indirectly commenting on the quote that you quoted. Providing my own opinion on why thinking of geists as a town leader is badidea.Call me "SSK, or "ssk". Mafia is my father.-
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Who did you protect last night?In post 4455, MafiaSSK wrote:
No shit. Do tell me more about how mafia is played.In post 4454, geists wrote:There are no such things as official town leaders. There are leadership vacuums and there are players (usually multiple players in most games) who fill them. And they do that only with the cooperation of the majority of players.
What I was doing was indirectly commenting on the quote that you quoted. Providing my own opinion on why thinking of geists as a town leader is badidea.-
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You. Because you are an important asset to town.In post 4456, geists wrote:
Who did you protect last night?In post 4455, MafiaSSK wrote:
No shit. Do tell me more about how mafia is played.In post 4454, geists wrote:There are no such things as official town leaders. There are leadership vacuums and there are players (usually multiple players in most games) who fill them. And they do that only with the cooperation of the majority of players.
What I was doing was indirectly commenting on the quote that you quoted. Providing my own opinion on why thinking of geists as a town leader is badidea.Call me "SSK, or "ssk". Mafia is my father.-
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Not buying that claim one bit. It looks all the more dodgy because SSK took so long to respond to that when both were online. Had that been an instant answer I'd be at least a little less suspicious.
I'm still not lynching him today though. It's possible that we're multiball and he blocked a kill. If he's not town doc, then it's very probably me or geists dying tonight. And if he is town doc, then he should literally toss a coin between us, meaning scum either take a 50-50 or take a clean pick at someone else.-
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Or the two of you are Scum together and thus it doesn't matter whether you were actually suspecting him.In post 4416, Casso the King of Seals wrote:Cephrir - I find the strongest reasoning for him being town his vote on me after he misinterpreted a joke from me as calling him scum; I'm sure scumRir knows that he would be expected to manufacture an attack on me whenever I call him scum, but it was so quick and kneejerk and natural (he didn't even attempt to clarify whether I was actually suspecting him or not) that I have trouble seeing him pulling it off as scum.
Plus, assumption of daytalk.
Interesting he didn't say anything about it.In post 4422, geists wrote:
Just facepalmed myself because I remembered a game where Nacho failed to pick up on the most obvious cop result crumb I've ever seen in a mafia game. He failed so hard he actually thought the post was scummy and voted the cop.In post 1384, geists wrote:We don't like how he apparently missed a ton of crumbs
Retracting the hell out of this.
This may be the sanest thing from you all game.In post 4430, Norlkaz wrote:Geists being our Official Town Leader is something I approve of.
OH LOOK FFERY I'M DOING IT AGAIN
Special preview from my ISOing work:
SCUM
Casso - I don't know if I can really articulate this, but I am getting badfeels from posts like 332, 335, 366, 368, and I'm going to stop that now because too many posts. I also don't like Nacho's reasoning on me (or Thor's, but especially Nacho's) in 379.
Spoiler: a closer look at this
Granted I stopped citing posts after the 300s but there wasn't any reason to make it a page long when it could just be a paragraph.
NEW SANEST THINGIn post 4443, Norlkaz wrote:
"As scum my play looks more like thus and so" is on my list of statements that come more often from scum than town.In post 4434, Casso the King of Seals wrote: I'm fairly confident you've seen a "Nacho showing off how much work he's doing" post, and it usually comes with limitless quote stripes and is followed by coasting, coasting, and more coasting.
Yeah wow that claim was sketch as hell
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But is it scummy?In post 4461, goodmorning wrote:Interesting he didn't say anything about it.
It was a long, grueling game and this happened without a whole lot of fanfare early on day 2. I was already dead so I couldn't hoot or stomp around in hobnailed boots about it.
If he remembered that particular missed crumb given I also played that game, I'm pretty sure he would have pointed it out no matter what his alignment in this game.-
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I don't know, but it's certainly interesting.In post 4464, geists wrote:
But is it scummy?In post 4461, goodmorning wrote:Interesting he didn't say anything about it.-
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Do what you must, Geists. I'd rather not create more posts discussing creation of posts.
Having a Dictator is productive. Otherwise scum will make whichever town leader wants to lynch town win out.
Broseidon is probably town and potentially a mason.
I'd say that Nacho's Sangres wall had substantially more Bite.
I grant that he stacked reasons together in a similar manner, but Sangcho used emphasis in a way that made it clear his paragraphs had purpose beyond existing.
VOTE: Casso
I don't have a raging urge to lynch SSK.
My latest scumteam guess goes:
Bert
Ceph
Casso
SAD is a possibility.
Sakura is a possibility.
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Nearly all of your catch-up posts about me seemed to indicate that you found my posts scummy. Your townread doesn't make sense based on your catchups.In post 4351, Cephrir wrote:
OK, thought I already answered these.In post 4101, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Cephrir, a few questions:
1) Explain your reversal of read on me. Everything you quoted in your catch up post seemed like you found it scummy.
2) Are you serious about the posts of Sakura that you quoted saying that you agreed why she was run up?
1) It never reversed. I did quote a few things I found scummy, but still wasn't scumreading you.
2) Mostly, I guess.
You also seem to have pre-conceived positions about what the ideal gamestate is and a lot of things that you say about other players are generally compliments when they meet this ideal or disagreement when they don't meet it. For instance, some of the things that were concerning.
149: First instance of voting StuffedCrust (it is the wagon you push all the way to the end of D1)
451: Says that scumreading you is a towntell. Why? You weren't involved in the game, were inactive and lurkish. Certainly you are a good target for the scum to suspect and probably push a lynch on. Town are potentially also likely to give you slack for it and not lynch you just for being disengaged.
954: You claim that GoodMorning's posts suck and that your "eyes glaze over" everytime you read a Generic post. I can't relate to this. You later says the same thing about my posts. An interesting observation is that you don't explain why GoodMorning's posts suck or why you liked Brian's quote-stripe. This matches up with your read on me where you don't explain much at all. I will check through your other games to see if it is a hallmark of your town or scum meta. Help from those who played with Cephrir before (Nacho, ffery, Cabd, BRO, and others) will be appreciated.
957: Dislikes MafiaSSK's entrance into the game and agrees conditionally with DOMO saying that you are "a fan" of DOMO snap-voting on that.
960: ...What? (This might become important later on a meta-basis).
961: Agrees with my objection to Pie's GoodMorning read. Also tells Pie "It's not a stats course? THAT'S the line you're going with? xD"
There are several other interestingly worded quotes in this post and is worth checking out:
1. "Why the hell are you townreading me again?"
2. "And then you let this go immediately? Huh?"
3. "Could it be? DO I actually like a Thor post? Call that rapture guy, I think the world is ending."
969: "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" in response to MafiaSSK possibly expressing dislike of his post.
1132: Agrees with DOMO's position about StuffedCrust (you had previously suspected Stuffed Crust so it falls into my pre-formed positions argument)
1147: "Whaddaya know, SSK is posturing to suspect me later." - Preformed position: SSK is scum.
1529: Why is everyone voting this
I just
Don't
Understand (This is said with regards to DOMO)
1571: Gurl lookit dat 180
The most striking thing I found from your posts is that you generally seem to have a pre-formed position in your mind. Whenever someone agrees with that position, you encourage and cheerlead them. Whenever someone disagrees, you critisize them for it. I'll point out several examples.
Firstly, you believe that you are scummy as shown in post 451 and you later townread people who are scumreading you. I find your townread on Geists for scumreading you very comfortable and completely lacking doubt - you are too self-assured about their scumread.
Secondly, you don't like/scumreads MafiaSSK as evidenced in post 957. Your further posts towards MafiaSSK are critical such as the "eeeeeee" in post 969. I am not exactly sure what the "eeeeeee" is supposed to accomplish from a town POV but it seems as though it is a declaration of your position. These declarations show up in many other ways such as the rhetorical "...What?" in post 960. I am going to term these sort of things "Rhetorical expressions of surprise." It is basically when you take a position and wonder why everybody doesn't share that opinion. Other examples include showing up at random times and asking why certain things are hapenning. For instance "why are we lynching X" when a quick glance at the previous few pages should give the questioner all he needs. It is more pronounced when the questioner doesn't actually want to know the answer but wants to take a position that lynching X is absurd and so wants to pretend that everyone lynching X is crazy/scummy.
Thirdly, your position on Stuffed Crust is that they are scum and you therefore agrees everytime someone pushes on them with examples being 1132.
Fourthly, the position on me. 2744, you say that my post rubs you the wrong way. 3695, it again seems like you scumread me. You mention that when you read my posts you like them but it is rare. I am assuming it means that it is only the rare post that gives you a townread which doesn't make sense with your final position. 4021, when you give a plus sign to Thor's terribad vote on me is another example. My first concern is your pre-formed position that votes on me are good and thumbs-upping everyone who does it regardless of how terrible their reasoning is. My second concern is that this position makes no sense with your apparent "townread" on me. Your motivations and thought processes are unclear. 4289 is another example.
Fifth, your position on Pie is mostly one of random criticism of his posts which I can't really relate with.
I also wonder why you have never taken a step back and reconsidered things after championing the SC lynch D1. All you did was show up from time to time saying that SC ought to be lynched. They finally were lynched. They flipped town. Now, you pop up from time to time talking about how Arthur needs to be lynched. 4379 is deeply troubling. You had a similar stance toward SC - you couldn't wait to see them lynched. Each day, all you do is try to get someone lynched. There is no effort at scumhunting or sorting people. You barely ask any questions. You are merely quoting things you don't like with nonsensical phrases like "yuck," "eww," "eeeee" etc which does jacksquat to help me understand your thought process. I don't see any effort from you to actually find scum as opposed to just lynching someone. Your case on Arthur is weak. It is not the kind of stuff that yields scum lynches.-
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I don't take offers of self-lynched seriously and I doubt anyone would lynch someone just because they offered to be lynched which makes it a fine gambit for scum. I am null on KBBQ.In post 4402, geists wrote:This is Nati's scumpile. I'm putting some of my own thoughts around it.
Pieguyn - Nati has a scumread. I have a mixed read. There was one post in his back and forth with me that I really liked, and I backed off on that basis. But there is a sentence in another post I keep coming back to because it feels fucking fake.
BBQ - I keep thinking about Cabd pushing through a TiP day 1 lynch in the Xenologue game, and getting away with such a bad "misread". GiF's confidence in reading Varsoon is pretty high. But, his offering to be the lynch instead (at a moment when I was seriously considering doing the same) and his characterization of the lynch as a Christmas Miracle when we lynched a town PR just feels like something that scum wouldn't do. Nati found his SSK lynch post at the start of day 2 very troubling.In post 2652, pieguyn wrote:ffery what the fuck you better not be scum
Can you link those scumgames where Sakura gave up and self-voted? I think I might be able to do a compare and contrast with her towngames to see if there are underlying motivations that can be spotted.In post 4402, geists wrote:Sakura Hana - the blacklist tell isn't as convincing as all that, the more we think about it, and there are too damn many players in our town pile.
It is true that town-Desp makes his presence felt more strongly. I am not sure if this is related to his meta-change and it being a large game but I get a different vibe from his posting than I do from the game I modded or past games with him.In post 4402, geists wrote:Desperado - Nati's gut read, lack of presence. I feel like he's not putting a lot of effort into pushing his reads, and not doing much to organize town, which I associate with town-Desp. Nati has had good luck spotting scum-Desp lately
In post 4402, geists wrote:I'm finding it really difficult to move these four out of my nullpile and not also move Norlkaz and zmuffin. But, Norlkaz is an almost complete unknown, and if zmuffin will finish those ISOs and post some reads I'll have something solid to base a read on.-
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This doesn't make sense given your posts about Geists:In post 4457, MafiaSSK wrote:
You. Because you are an important asset to town.In post 4456, geists wrote:Who did you protect last night?
In post 4453, MafiaSSK wrote:I don't think geists should be given the trust as being such an official town leader. Natirasha is very reactive, and that's really not good when deciding on a very rushed or heated lynch.In post 1268, MafiaSSK wrote:So the best that both ffery and you can come up with is gut? Super weak, Nat.In post 1065, MafiaSSK wrote:Nat hasn't posted much on geists in this game. As such, I have no real read on them. I don't understand ffery and ffery doesn't understand me.-
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I read through Nacho's reads list in the Perpetual MYLO game and it doesn't seem similar to those reads-lists at all. Nacho's reads morph to fit what is generally accepted to the town. For instance the Bert townread after being questioned on why Bert is an Angel in waiting. The Pieguyn townread after it becomes apparent that he won't be lynched considering I showed in detail that he is playing to his town meta. I also strongly disagree with the Cephrir townread.
Top scumreads in order:
Cephrir
MafiaSSK
Casso
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I actually never have a preformed position in mind, unless it's one I have already stated...In post 4467, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote: The most striking thing I found from your posts is that you generally seem to have a pre-formed position in your mind. Whenever someone agrees with that position, you encourage and cheerlead them. Whenever someone disagrees, you critisize them for it. I'll point out several examples.
It's hardly exclusively for that reason; plus I think I'm improving! YMMV.In post 4467, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Firstly, you believe that you are scummy as shown in post 451 and you later townread people who are scumreading you. I find your townread on Geists for scumreading you very comfortable and completely lacking doubt - you are too self-assured about their scumread.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 4467, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Secondly, you don't like/scumreads MafiaSSK as evidenced in post 957. Your further posts towards MafiaSSK are critical such as the "eeeeeee" in post 969. I am not exactly sure what the "eeeeeee" is supposed to accomplish from a town POV but it seems as though it is a declaration of your position. These declarations show up in many other ways such as the rhetorical "...What?" in post 960. I am going to term these sort of things "Rhetorical expressions of surprise." It is basically when you take a position and wonder why everybody doesn't share that opinion. Other examples include showing up at random times and asking why certain things are hapenning. For instance "why are we lynching X" when a quick glance at the previous few pages should give the questioner all he needs. It is more pronounced when the questioner doesn't actually want to know the answer but wants to take a position that lynching X is absurd and so wants to pretend that everyone lynching X is crazy/scummy.
Why is that scummy or anything but normal?In post 4467, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Thirdly, your position on Stuffed Crust is that they are scum and you therefore agrees everytime someone pushes on them with examples being 1132.
I read all your posts now. Most of them are quite good, but I don't want to let myself give you a free pass, I could see you being that good.In post 4467, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Fourthly, the position on me. 2744, you say that my post rubs you the wrong way. 3695, it again seems like you scumread me. You mention that when you read my posts you like them but it is rare. I am assuming it means that it is only the rare post that gives you a townread which doesn't make sense with your final position. 4021, when you give a plus sign to Thor's terribad vote on me is another example. My first concern is your pre-formed position that votes on me are good and thumbs-upping everyone who does it regardless of how terrible their reasoning is. My second concern is that this position makes no sense with your apparent "townread" on me. Your motivations and thought processes are unclear. 4289 is another example.
That's nice?In post 4467, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Fifth, your position on Pie is mostly one of random criticism of his posts which I can't really relate with.
I am playing like trash this game and accepted sometime on D1 that I will probably be lynched at some point. I see little point in trying hard at scumhunting (which I don't do a ton of anyway ever because I have no confidence in my ability at it and would rather let others do it for me for the most part). I would venture to say I don't have much case on Arthur at all, but that doesn't really bother me. Somewhere along the line this game and I got onto separate wavelengths or something? And I just don't give enough fucks to take the like 4 rereads it would probably take me to fix that. In conclusion, meh.In post 4467, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I also wonder why you have never taken a step back and reconsidered things after championing the SC lynch D1. All you did was show up from time to time saying that SC ought to be lynched. They finally were lynched. They flipped town. Now, you pop up from time to time talking about how Arthur needs to be lynched. 4379 is deeply troubling. You had a similar stance toward SC - you couldn't wait to see them lynched. Each day, all you do is try to get someone lynched. There is no effort at scumhunting or sorting people. You barely ask any questions. You are merely quoting things you don't like with nonsensical phrases like "yuck," "eww," "eeeee" etc which does jacksquat to help me understand your thought process. I don't see any effort from you to actually find scum as opposed to just lynching someone. Your case on Arthur is weak. It is not the kind of stuff that yields scum lynches."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener
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