NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Tammy]

Also, didn't I say all you had to do was say his name?

[Casso the King of Seals]

1) That only means im getting suspicions on them, not scumreading them overall.
2) That happened after I had made that post where i mentioned SC having more votes.

And you wonder why I think you're scum?

PEd: Oh well >_>

How do either of these things point to geists scum?

[Casso the King of Seals]

Also, didn't I say all you had to do was say his name?

Say my name, say my name...

[Empire]

Day 1, Votecount 66

Stuffed Crust (6)

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Cephrir, Desperado, Sakura Hana, KoreanBBQ, geists, pieguyn

F-16_Fighting_Falcon (4)

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BROseidon, Ser Arthur Dayne, DOMO, Casso the King of Seals

Casso the King of Seals (2)

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zMuffinMan, goodmorning

Sakura Hana (1)

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Bert

MC Maraca (1)

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Tammy

goodmorning (1)

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Norlkaz

Not Voting (5)

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MafiaSSK, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, Stuffed Crust, Generic, MC Maraca

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch! Deadline is on December 26th at 3:45 PM EST or in (expired on 2013-12-26 16:44:27)

Mod Notes

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Varsoon head of Stuffed Crust V/LA until January 25th. Tammy is V/LA until the 23rd. F-16_Fighting_Falcon is V/LA until the 31st. goodmorning is V/LA until the 26th. DOMO is V/LA until the 27th. Generic is V/LA until the 26th.

[Bert]

Unvote

Tired and can't think, heh.

Thoughts on Gen, Nacho?

[Casso the King of Seals]

I'm not voting Stuffed Crust for a lot of reasons.

For one, when Mac opened the game he seemed fairly light, casual, smooth, confident. I don't feel his openings come across like that when he is scum. He also engaged us on our townread of him early, and followed up on it later which is a forwent sign since scum usually aren't bothered by townreads in them, especially when they are getting wagoned.

Varsoon was pretty easy and confident in his towniness and defiant as hell, don't remember seeing that in Xenogears. I mean, sure, he had fun with Charles Barkley and all that jazz but this confidence isnt centered around his slam dunk case bullshit; it's centered around how he is town with a holy mission and he will pour his soul into that mission. I especially liked his Dat Ass posts and his red tie posts; we have seen Varsoon as scum under pressure situations before, and he never manages to come out quite the same. What is lacking in what Varsoon has posted so far is his conspiracy theories and his crazy crazy brand of towniness, but I still think that it is closer to his normal town game than his scum game.

I like Macs confidence and the way that he goes about his pushes. I can't ever remember seeing a Mac scum game where he went after a hard to reach target as confidently as he's doing here, and I like the way he's handling geists voting him.

What I realized when retreading is that there's not as much as I'd like in the Iso from Mac, but I still think that him making the pushes he's been making under the pressure he's been under makes him more town than anything.

So, Sakura. Shoot again.

what hte fuck?

why should I believe any of this when
a. you're scum
b. SC is scum
c. you just

said in a previous post that you know how to disband wagons with "meta"

and
GIF's scumread on Varsoon is based on what he knows of Varsoon (read: meta)?

I'm not going to question the actual meta bc bolded, but this is making me worry

what a load of shit, why are you discrediting his town case on us so easily?

this is scummy as fuck. Generic is this that tell you were talking about? bc it feels like it. it feels like he's pissed off bc sakura is blatantly ignoring Casso's "towncase", as opposed to bc she's misreading him

Current reads:
Town: Maracabd, goodmorning, Bert, DOMO.
Leaning Town: Korean BBQ.
Leaning Scum: geists
Scumreads: Casso, SC.

what happened to your townread on me and why the flip flop on Casso?

also is it just me or is this THE SAME THING AS AA:MFA? there she attacked the fuck out of her scumbuddies and put them both in her scum pile. she said postgame that she hates that tactic and probably wouldn't do it again, but it seems like a really hard habit to break. attacking your scumbuddies is a nice way to appear town and not take too much responsibility bc you KNOW they're scum. so if she rolled scum immediately after that game, she wouldn't have very much time to adjust her scumgame

the thing that's giving me reservations is that in that game she did it from the get go. here she was townreading Casso. however, giving a random flip flop with no explanation doesn't make me feel any better 0.0

this is all WIFOM anyway so I'm not sold

Sakura has just been a lurker most of this game, but I'm not one who can say I have luck reading her. And does her game here resemble AA-Sakura at all? If so, how?

hi
also, see our 1v1 when I replaced in

That was pretty awkward of you.
But no, you're not going to make me change my mind about either of you.

PEd: Glad someone agrees with me on GM.

wow nice discredit. votes Sakura -> she tries to discredit her attacker by calling her awkward

VOTE: giests

explain plz

I'll also accept any explanation of what Stuffed did to look more town.
Because otherwise it is beyond fail that you just unvoted.

nacho is apparently townreading him. but I'm not even going to bother with this bc "omg hydra dissonance"

Nope. Sak is my townread and I intend to keep it.

explain plz

And apparently you're scumreading geists but willing to follow Mara on F-16 what is this?

this logic is bad
you know why considering TNE used it in AA:MFA

AND NEITHER IS VARSOON

Pedit: Thor's never been this freaking town, ever.

Nacho's thoughts are super freaking transparent

I can never see where Nacho is going with this stuff when he's scum, I can see them now. I know what he's thinking, and his explanations are AHMAYZING

how he's defending his reads, how he is forming his reads is just so good that I would feel completely safe in his embrace

like, no joke.

do you think Thor wouldn't play the not-caring card as scum?

also Nacho apparently has a townread on me and idr where it came from 0.0 so I don't see how his thoughts are "super freaking transparent"

Pie guy, 3250:
I said that I could easily defend people that I am familiar with based on a meta basis. Most people who aren't absolute shit as scum can competently make a case as either alignment. Does that mean you never trust cases because they can make cases as scum? No. It means you take into account the merit of a case and actually look into it when a case is provided.

[Tammy]

Also sooo many panic posts after the mason claim

Delicious isn''t it? Watching tammy's reaction when she gets back ought to be popcorn worthy too.

I'd like to know how much time you wasted in your qt salivating over my reaction to your claim, when all I felt was a *shrug* with a side of wtf.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Unvote

Tired and can't think, heh.

Thoughts on Gen, Nacho?

I think that he's town and wouldn't lynch him today. Why did you stop voting Sakura?

[MC Maraca]

Hydra quicktopics are for people without gtalk or skype.

Nachothor you missed my question

[Bert]

Waiting until you finish reading, and also I want to hear Tammy's thoughts on Mason Maraca

[Casso the King of Seals]

I'm pretty sure any of the other ones can be faked but this:

I liked this section of the post as it, yet again shows that they are talking, and not only talking, but scum-hunting withing their QT. this post shows that they are debating reads, and that they are actually trying to find some kind of common ground

I spent 15 minutes thinking "How can i disprove this", I couldn't... hence I concede, Casso is town again.

this guy

She is scum!

[Casso the King of Seals]

Hydra quicktopics are for people without gtalk or skype.

Nachothor you missed my question

What question? If you were questioning me on the strength of my Sakura read, already answered that.

[Bert]

Who's scum with her then?

If you would tunnel more than one, instead of focus on her...

[Bert]

You're reminding me of Micro 189 where you just tunneled a scumread near deadline as scum and were vague about your other opinions's strengths

You looked in that game too much at the non-broader picture

[Casso the King of Seals]

F-16 3247:

I have no control of Thors actions. My read on you hasn't been upgraded to a strong townread until my most recent posts, so I haven't walled like crazy about it yet. I never told him to take the lead, but he did. Meanwhile... I have strong townreads on you and Stuffed Crust. I would like a better lynch so that neither of these things go through. Sheep me or find something better, please.

[Bert]

Thor wants pie gone.

Do you support or...

I'll support that.

[Tammy]

Also

Unvote

because fferyllt's mad at me.

Don't like this. ffery has consistently been throwing her entire weight to back up someone playing blatantly anti-town regardless of their affiliation.

You are harping too hard on this point; net result of gambit from scumMC side is locking down Tammy vote on scum and making Tammy useless for like a day when it's likely she would be useless anyways. So the antitown effects you are talking about actually aren't that horrible.

Why would Tammy be useless anyway?

YEAH! Why would I be useless anyway???

[Casso the King of Seals]

You're reminding me of Micro 189 where you just tunneled a scumread near deadline as scum and were vague about your other opinions's strengths

You looked in that game too much at the non-broader picture

DOMO, Muffin, Norklaz, SSK.
You'll also notice that the situations between this and chosen are pretty fucking dramatic. Here, I'm saving the hell out of two players who are a threat to me and trying to kynch someone with a damn good chance of being scum. There, I tunneled on players and didn't comment in anyone else in order to avoid having to comment on NS the scummy as fuck mentee.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Thor wants pie gone.

Do you support or...

I'll support that.

I don't support that.

[Tammy]

Tammy says Dayne is town

I think Arthur is maybe town.

[Casso the King of Seals]

SC is still scum and still very much needs to be lynched.

I hate myself for continuing to ignore this game.

You know, you could stop ignoring this game and vote somewhere else! It wouldn't be that difficult to see that I'm screaming SC is town and trying to shift momentum because momentum is going to shit, and it won't be that hard for you to sheep me and trust me for Day 1!

[Bert]

Tammy you're easily manipulated

*grins*

[Casso the King of Seals]

They're ALL scum games, I'm certain,

because Thor wouldn't evah do that as town

, and certainly has this rep of doing things as scum that he doesn't do as town - everyone knows this.

I mean, I have the most transparent scum game of all.

Everyone can read me with high accuracy

, it happens all the time, and I never complain about how my scum game ruins my town experiences because people start just paranoid suspecting me constantly for nonsensical reasons.

these don't sound genuine, and can't be taken at face value for me, sorry

They shouldn't be taken at face value because they are incredibly sarcastic.

[Tammy]

Tammy you're easily manipulated

*grins*

I'm turning over a NEW LEAF!!!

[Casso the King of Seals]

Bert, what do you think about lynching Casso instead?

I mulled over it and I am not sure StuffedCrust is scum. I think they are a red herring that scum Thor is setting up for fools who think Thor's scum game is as simple as avoiding a wagon on his buddy. Thor/Nacho are prime targets for investigations and if they do get investigated guilty and lynched, people will be looking at associative tells. I think Stuffed is a mislynch that Thor is trying to set up in the event that their hydra doesn't make it to endgame, and depending on PR actions, they likely won't.

If Stuffed is scum, Casso is likely town.

Sakura, I can't "easily" do meta on you. I have limited pockets on time to spend on this game and a meta-dive takes anywhere between 1-5 hours depending on the skill of the player involved and my experience with them.

You say you have no idea how to read me. Are you implying that you don't attempt to read players that you haven't played with? Because even you don't have a meta baseline, I think it is possible to evaluate a player's behavior in game.

You're correct that SC and our slot make absolutely no sense as scum together. You are incorrect in thinking that I'm scum and need to get your head in the game in order to pick a not shitty lynch so that you or SC are not lynched. The lynch you are looking for is not found here.