Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Wisdom]

No?

[Wisdom]

Oh nvm, he did. Carry on.

[Mirari]

I'm not struggling to find reasons to call the claim town. I said my own you called it bullshit I answered from your point of view. That's not struggling.
What will you say when I flip town? Poo on Mirari for being scummy? Or poo on yourself for your poor scumhunting assumptions?

[Wisdom]

I will care about such a thing when you actually flip. Since you are not being wagoned, that's unnatural to say now.
And no, you are struggling, because the reasons you are giving are bad and should at least make you question the claim as opposed to being confident it's town.

[ooba]

I forgot he did. Now I'm confused flavor wise because I expected him to be Artemis....

Apollo - Associated with the Sun - Day Neighbourizer
Artemis - Associated with the Moon - Night Neighbourizer
seemed to make flavor-sense and fit.

Hephaestus, 2-shot neighborizer

[ooba]

Whiskers - what is your flavor?

[Mirari]

Ooba (and wisdom) I think you need to look at Matt as a player and see if this fits into his town profile. The claim should give you sole hints as to what I mean.

[Wisdom]

And despite me saying that no gods make sense for neighborizer, Apollo actually does - he is the god of music, so it makes sense that he attracts someone to a "neighborhood" using that.
Hephaestus however.. he is a blacksmith, he would make sense for an inventor or something. Not a neighborizer.

[Wisdom]

Ooba (and wisdom) I think you need to look at Matt as a player and see if this fits into his town profile. The claim should give you sole hints as to what I mean.

Have you played with town-Matt before?
I believe you said you haven't, so I don't understand this. How would you know if it fits into his "town profile"?

[Whiskers]

Day Neighborizer

So that's why you asked Mala whether she was already neighborized. You assumed Matt also works at day.

The weird thing is that Mala answered "I don't know" as opposed to "no", as if she also knew the neighborizers are supposed to work at day.

Exactly. Or, I'm not sure if that's what it is "As if," but it certainly was a weird way to answer it. If you have been Neighborized-- that's fairly straightforward.

wtf?
Mirari did not suspect me, what OMGUS?

Read my actual points on her.

No, no, I mean-- Mirari (from like, three pages ago) disagrees with your reads. He's scum.
Much in the same way mollie was a stupid ass and couldn't answer your question and went, "Whoa, I never said that! Are You scum?!??" and was generally too stupid to understand what was going on. She's scum.

Just, like... people you disagree with become scum. People who agree with you and support you become town.
And you clearly don't use this for all your reads. I'd say it applies to MattP some, but you've also given a bunch of support for why he's scum. So maybe it was seeded from this OMGUS, and thn you built a case. Possibly same for Mala, Idr where that originated from.
And you don't base all of your townreads on it. But things like townreading shos? Who you spent a good chunk of the Day attacking and trying to lynch? There's POE, and there's that reverse OMGUS thing going on.

Just sayin'~

My role does not overlap with his. I'm Apollo, a Day Neighborizer. Which, when I think about it, seems a lot more like a scum role, doesn't it?

Not alignment indicative - flavor wise this is pretty strong - esp. the day\night dual nature.

Also - if possible, I would like the neighbourizers to consider me when neighbourizing. It should be beneficial.

Yeah, maybe. Will you be more talkative if I neighborize you than you have been in the thread? Because if not, it'd really be a waste, wouldn't it?
Also, since I'm a Dayborizer, would it really be useful to you?

[Wisdom]

Just, like... people you disagree with become scum.

You are misunderstanding me, once again. I did not call her scum because she disagreed with me. I called her scum because of what she was posting, and I analyzed it right after that. Did you read it?

[Whiskers]

Whiskers - what is your flavor?

Peppermint.

[Mirari]

I will care about such a thing when you actually flip. Since you are not being wagoned, that's unnatural to say now.
And no, you are struggling, because the reasons you are giving are bad and should at least make you question the claim as opposed to being confident it's town.

I guess I am being too opaque here.
I think the claim has town movitarion to mess with scum. The claim itself... obviously has trouble.

Is Hephaestus really known to be a talkative individual? I don't want to elaborate anymore on that part but don't just look at Matt's claim for face value.

If my opinion matters anymore I think the neighborizers should target ooba too.

[Whiskers]

Just, like... people you disagree with become scum.

You are misunderstanding me, once again. I did not call her scum because she disagreed with me. I called her scum because of what she was posting, and I analyzed it right after that. Did you read it?

Perhaps.
Maybe it's that you don't really look at a person, usually, until they do something to cross you.
Which is understandable. I guess it's just what I'm seeing looks badish.
Dont' worry too much about it.
Gtg take a final test.

[ooba]

Yeah, maybe. Will you be more talkative if I neighborize you than you have been in the thread? Because if not, it'd really be a waste, wouldn't it?
Also, since I'm a Dayborizer, would it really be useful to you?

I would say that if you have your day-shot still left today, you should use it on me now.

^P-edit: Lol. Does your neighbourizing power flavor mention the "Sun" by any chance?

[Wisdom]

Is Hephaestus really known to be a talkative individual? I don't want to elaborate anymore on that part but don't just look at Matt's claim for face value.

Now that you started it, leave the hints aside and state your thoughts clearly.

[ooba]

Ooba (and wisdom) I think you need to look at Matt as a player and see if this fits into his town profile. The claim should give you sole hints as to what I mean.

I haven't played with Matt before and I'm really not great at meta analysis.

[shos]

Matt can also be sacrificing himself for a stronger scumrole.
he said that he claimed in order to not get shot and/or roleblocked tonight.
this claim is like preemptive measures for 'how comes you are always still alive'.

in short there's many reasons why scummatt might do that.
why woudl town matt do that? wouldn't he WANT to get killed/blocked, so as to defend other, REAL town powers(that are not weakling useless ones like neighbourizer)?

gonna lol @ the virgin joke
gonna redirect you all to mala's ISO. I want you to spot 3 times in which she was concrete. I want you to spot 10000 times where she's maybe, not yet, perhaps - leaving herself options for the future.

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[Wisdom]

Just, like... people you disagree with become scum.

You are misunderstanding me, once again. I did not call her scum because she disagreed with me. I called her scum because of what she was posting, and I analyzed it right after that. Did you read it?

Perhaps.
Maybe it's that you don't really look at a person, usually, until they do something to cross you.
Which is understandable. I guess it's just what I'm seeing looks badish.
Dont' worry too much about it.
Gtg take a final test.

Maybe so. But that's true for everyone, hence why scum buddy people.
Anyway, that's besides the point. I want you to look at what I pointed out about Mirari, because I think those are clear scumtells right there.

[Malakittens]

I forgot he did. Now I'm confused flavor wise because I expected him to be Artemis....

Apollo - Associated with the Sun - Day Neighbourizer
Artemis - Associated with the Moon - Night Neighbourizer
seemed to make flavor-sense and fit.

Hephaestus, 2-shot neighborizer

Nah artemis is guardian of animals, goddess of the hunt, a virgin and goddess of the moon.

[Wisdom]

and goddess of the moon.

...which is what ooba said.

[Wisdom]

Is Hephaestus really known to be a talkative individual?

Actually I think I know what you mean - only this also makes more sense as scum than town.

[shos]

Then why did you ask the question if not because you were suspicious?

Because I actually want to work with her, but I need to know her thoughts before I go ahead and try to work with her and she flips out on me.
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I was working with her in NY until she flipped out on me because of 1) relative tell 2) not posting when my skype was online 3) she thought I posted a pr tell and never died.

To confirm himself and mess with scum's minds? Throwing out claims is a sure for way to trick scum into suboptimal kill choices.

Wrong. Try again, Wisdom.

@mirari: it's ok to assume they're neighbourizers. but what brought you to the conclusion tat they're both town? 1s1t makes so much more sense.
+1 to wisdom about mirar's peng tunnel. I had no idea you were thinking I'm scum. if I had I must've forgotten all about it years ago.

@1530
I didn't want to butt in before so that penguin answers, but no, it's not the same thing at all. Grim was questioning mollie on why she is not scumhunting, why she is not expressing reads, hence his "what's your read on groovey kid?" <- he is using mollie's nickname for him, as if to say, "you should be saying "groovey kid is town/groovey kid is scum but you aren't." Your "whats your read on me" in contrast came out of nowhere and was not accompanying any suspicion on mollie. Nor did you follow up with another question to her.

They are completely different, like your alignment and Grimgroove's.

Here we go again; ignoring the fact I had a town read on her when I asked her that question.

Please for the love of god think before attacking me.

Then why did you ask the question if not because you were suspicious?

is a good good good GOOD question. town don't challange their townreads, they push their scumreads. it's not like you asked for her opinion - you asked about YOURSELF.

Then why did you ask the question if not because you were suspicious?

Because I actually want to work with her, but I need to know her thoughts before I go ahead and try to work with her and she flips out on me.
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I was working with her in NY until she flipped out on me because of 1) relative tell 2) not posting when my skype was online 3) she thought I posted a pr tell and never died.

and this is bad bad bad BAD. yes,y ou do need to know her thoughts. but not on YOU. that does not help you at all. that only serves the purpose of futuristic buddy that will not want to lynch you. there's no reason town shouldn't flip out their townreads as long as they actually believe what they're saying.

To confirm himself and mess with scum's minds? Throwing out claims is a sure for way to trick scum into suboptimal kill choices.

Wrong. Try again, Wisdom.

how does that confirm him? he didn't know wbouat GG before he claimed. beighbourizer is a both-alignment role. the claim throws wifom. in no way that is confirming, and that is messing with TOWN's mind, not scum. scum would know that he isn't lying, no confusion there at all.

wisdom's becoming my buddy nowadays. hi buddy buddy. hi.

omg mala's so bad I'm starting to wonder if it's too-bad-to-be-scum or scum pretending to be that

[Mirari]

Is Hephaestus really known to be a talkative individual? I don't want to elaborate anymore on that part but don't just look at Matt's claim for face value.

Now that you started it, leave the hints aside and state your thoughts clearly.

Would defeat the purpose of Matt's intent. I think he is doing this for some other motive not scum intent.

[Malakittens]

and goddess of the moon.

...which is what ooba said.

She's more associated with hunting however