Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[shos]

re: post 1197 (here i'm using the post BBCode just for you guys): I don't think so. this thing had absolutley no bearing on the game except for filler; I'd say that this does look like the surface-level communication between scum partners, but then again, I dunno. We need to keep our heads straight and focus on one scum at a time, your theory cannot rely on two peopl ebing scum. Can you say that you think mala is scum REGARDLESS of matt? if not, then your vote is really not good, and you should even probably be voting matt instead. In my opinion Mala is scum, and matt being her scumpartner is just a nice option added. but that's not something that's going to support me crafting my case against mala. it should be independent of partners until we have a flip or more.

@1198: can you guys expand on this me-mara goodmorning-PA comparison to that game? I don't know what game you're talking about and haven't read it(never heard of goodmorning) so if you could let me in it would be cool

[Wisdom]

How does she reach out to me? How is it any different than how she "reached out to me" in the other games I described?
And what stuff did she do? She has still done nothing. Providing a bunch of fake reads isn't doing stuff.

[pirate mollie]

okay nacho is town

Why?

because he is closing his options for end game results

nacho doesn't usually backpedal on his town reads unless he gets kicked in the face he will hang on to them with cold dead hands before he gives them up

[Wisdom]

shos, you have clearly not read 1116 or 1132.

[Grimgroove]

pirate mollie, how would you call your own play in this game?

[Nachomamma8]

I don't see why Malascum would refuse to respond to penguins wall. Do you think she just couldn't? Because she later demonstrated she could. Do you think... She didn't think it was important for her image to respond to?

Because it required caring. As town, she would care to respond immediately. As scum, she didn't care. It could wait.

She responded immediately to you telling her she wasn't doing anything with the reads wall. As scum, she probably wouldn't care.

(oh hey did you see what I did there)

[Wisdom]

Since I have reminded her twice that her ignoring me is a scumtell, she did not have that option.

[Nachomamma8]

How does she reach out to me? How is it any different than how she "reached out to me" in the other games I described?
And what stuff did she do? She has still done nothing. Providing a bunch of fake reads isn't doing stuff.

She reaches out to you by showing you her thoughts when you tell her she is doing nothing instead of just saying she's doing stuff like she usually does.

"providing reads" is kind of the definition of doing stuff.

[Grimgroove]

Nachomamma is kitten-whipped. Rarely have I seen a knight in shining armour fight so valiantly against reason.

[Nachomamma8]

Since I have reminded her twice that her ignoring me is a scumtell, she did not have that option.

She kind of does have that option. She always has the door open to call it alignment neutral, since you don't have any experience with tunneling her as town.

[Nachomamma8]

Hey wisdom. What has grim done this game?

[pirate mollie]

pirate mollie, how would you call your own play in this game?

weirded out that whiskers is clearly an alt who knows me and is harassing me and no1 cares but now that I am stepping away from it a bit I am getting some info

matt, nacho, wis are town <------ don't touch them

I am still working out other things. ooba and that mirari girl are interesting and might be a strong town unit.

I lack conviction in my shos vote tbh

what a weird question

[Wisdom]

It doesn't matter what she can call it, dude. She knows that if I tunnel on her, she cannot convince me otherwise. No matter how she calls what, it won't help her. She has to avoid letting me think she is scum altogether.

Grim is town enough, and I don't understand how that's any relevant. He is not Mala. I have different tells to read him.

[shos]

GG's 1200 is pretty muc similar to what I just posted.

mollie's vote in 1030 makes me wonder. Mollie, explain this.
*snip*
coming to think about it, I have something to say about mollie's vote on me. sure, pres, but I want mollie to answer before I say it out loud.

Mollie, you're here. do tell.

Nacho, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I agree with wisdom. I would also like to add, on the ignoring bit: see whiskers' post somewhere about how I parrotted/said the same thing/repeated/posted again things against mala. at first I thought whiskers was mocking me for my catchup as not being genuine, but then he added that 'these are all things that have been said AND have been ignored by mala'. Do you, as town, ignore so many things that are directed at you?

@post 1208 and 1211: no. we prodded mala like a thousand times. townies don't need a prod to do that. we told her she did nothing so she did something? how bout replace it with a timeline:
1. X says mala does nothing. 2. Y says so. 3. Z. 4. A. 5. B. 6. X. 7. X. 8. B etc etc until 123123123. Mala posts a readlist with short explanations.

What town reaction were you expecting?

I was expecting town ACTION. not REACTION.

[Grimgroove]

pirate mollie, how would you call your own play in this game?

weirded out that whiskers is clearly an alt who knows me and is harassing me and no1 cares but now that I am stepping away from it a bit I am getting some info

matt, nacho, wis are town <------ don't touch them

I am still working out other things. ooba and that mirari girl are interesting and might be a strong town unit.

I lack conviction in my shos vote tbh

what a weird question

The correct answer to that question would have been: "My play sucks."
That would have been an honest answer. Because I've just checked your ISO and your play is extremely bad.

Your townreads show me you've been happy with simply looking at the surface. Having the top 3-posters of this game in your townreads reeks of laziness from your part.

What is your read on Malakittens? What is your read on groovy kid?

[Nachomamma8]

It doesn't matter what she can call it, dude. She knows that if I tunnel on her, she cannot convince me otherwise. No matter how she calls what, it won't help her. She has to avoid letting me think she is scum altogether.

Grim is town enough, and I don't understand how that's any relevant. He is not Mala. I have different tells to read him.

Your case makes less and less sense every time I respond to it.

I didn't ask grim's alignment. I asked what he's done.

[Grimgroove]

Check my ISO and find out.

[Nachomamma8]

It amazes me that the case that is being peddled around right now is "townies don't need to be prodded they produce content by themselves" with an AA9 in the mix.

[shos]

I don't see why Malascum would refuse to respond to penguins wall. Do you think she just couldn't? Because she later demonstrated she could. Do you think... She didn't think it was important for her image to respond to?

when you are scum, and make cases or something, you need to fabricate stuff. fake stuff. when your supposed scumread posts such a good post like the wall PA posted, you HAVE to raise, or fold. you can't just call. so ignoring it is a good way of going under the radar. this is s scum technic that I use a lot - simply ignore posts that I don't feel comfortable answering.

I didn't expect a town reaction because her doing nothing was already something not town.
I guess a town reaction could have been explaining why she has not done stuff.
Instead she tried to lie about having actually done stuff and she procceeded to do stuff right there and then. That's a scum reaction.

So the only way she could respond is by going "you're right wisdom I haven't done anything" even though as town by that point she would have a strong townread and what feels like caught scum. That feels stupid. Meanwhile,no will stress again that her scum MO is not doing anything. When you are pushing her, she ignores you because she knows she can kill you and she knows that we won't listen to you because tunneling. Here she REACHES OUT TO YOU *and* DOES STUFF (two things scum mala doesn't do, your words and not mine) and you call it a scum reaction... Why?

even if she told me 'I am having some real-life issues and I will get to that tomorrow' I would respond differently. honesty is key; town players have no reason not to be honest, entirely transparent. scum HAVE to fake. this is just scum behaviour.

[Nachomamma8]

Nachomamma is kitten-whipped. Rarely have I seen a knight in shining armour fight so valiantly against reason.

Every time you make a post like this I die a little inside. What is Wisdoms case against Mala? Did you ever make your post against mala or did you just respond to my town case? Why didn't you respond to me when I challenged you on your Matt read?

[Grimgroove]

Reminder to self: 1013

[Nachomamma8]

I don't see why Malascum would refuse to respond to penguins wall. Do you think she just couldn't? Because she later demonstrated she could. Do you think... She didn't think it was important for her image to respond to?

when you are scum, and make cases or something, you need to fabricate stuff. fake stuff. when your supposed scumread posts such a good post like the wall PA posted, you HAVE to raise, or fold. you can't just call. so ignoring it is a good way of going under the radar. this is s scum technic that I use a lot - simply ignore posts that I don't feel comfortable answering.

I didn't expect a town reaction because her doing nothing was already something not town.
I guess a town reaction could have been explaining why she has not done stuff.
Instead she tried to lie about having actually done stuff and she procceeded to do stuff right there and then. That's a scum reaction.

So the only way she could respond is by going "you're right wisdom I haven't done anything" even though as town by that point she would have a strong townread and what feels like caught scum. That feels stupid. Meanwhile,no will stress again that her scum MO is not doing anything. When you are pushing her, she ignores you because she knows she can kill you and she knows that we won't listen to you because tunneling. Here she REACHES OUT TO YOU *and* DOES STUFF (two things scum mala doesn't do, your words and not mine) and you call it a scum reaction... Why?

even if she told me 'I am having some real-life issues and I will get to that tomorrow' I would respond differently. honesty is key; town players have no reason not to be honest, entirely transparent. scum HAVE to fake. this is just scum behaviour.

1) sorry, why was penguin post a good one and incredibly hard to attack? Because I don't think I would have a problem attacking that wall.

2) she didn't have real life issues. She responded immediately. Why is that worse?

[Nachomamma8]

Reminder to self: 1013

Wisdom what do you think this is?

[Wisdom]

instead of just saying she's doing stuff like she usually does.

Spoiler: yeah right

I'm hunting people it's not like I have her as my only scum read and it's not like I'm not looking for town reads either.

Lies. I'm not only responding to Desp. You're kidding me right?

See, she reponds like this, refuses to be helpful, and then I have to accept she is town. I can't.

I am being helpful; you're the one refusing to believe what I'm saying isn't helpful.

Especially this last quote. Tell me how it's any different from this or this.

[Grimgroove]

Nachomamma is kitten-whipped. Rarely have I seen a knight in shining armour fight so valiantly against reason.

Every time you make a post like this I die a little inside.

It's what the truth does to a lot of people. Don't worry, I'll help you get through it.

What is Wisdoms case against Mala?

The thing you've just been discussing with him?

Did you ever make your post against mala or did you just respond to my town case?

I have made some posts against Mala, and my response to your MAla-towncase was one of them. I did promise a full ISO-case on her, but I'm not sure if I can be bothered anymore.

Why didn't you respond to me when I challenged you on your Matt read?

Maybe I missed it? At least I don't remember it. Where did that happen?

All you seem to be doing is challenging reads. Where are your own cases?