Phoebus wrote:Vote count:
1 Battle Mage (OverTheUnder)
1 IH (~N9V~)
2 Kison (Akbar, Battle Mage)
4 OverTheUnder (DrippingGoofball, Fuldu, Mastermind of Sin, Raffles)
6 Raffles (Der Hammer, Kison, Mr Flay, PBuG, Scarecrow, Wizardcat)
7 not voting
11 to lynch
Ar.. sorry if that annoys you. I think I should explain the change of my view. At first, I'm not interested in raffles trap and why he has voted. I was more focused on OTU's vote at that time. So I was trying to tell Kison and remu that it's not necessary to interrogate raffles since I dun think he will get anything out of it nor will it bring the game onto another state.Fuldu wrote:The style isn't what's scummy. The style is just annoying. It's that the style is producing a decent amount of content that is scummy. For example, the two posts I quoted in the previous post were separated by about seven hours and offer two diametrically opposed views of Raffles' 'trap'. That's scummy behavior, in that it gives the impression of someone who doesn't really care about who's scum, but only about pushing along a bandwagon or sowing discord, however they think they can at the time.
Does this mean that :OverTheUnder wrote:It confuses us that's why it's scummy in my opinion but like I saidI don't know if that's your newb-ishness showing or your intent. But it seems to be mostly newbishness so Unvote.
OverTheUnder wrote:No I'm clearly stating that I don't know if you have prior experience with other sites, and games. Therefore saying I'm not sure if it's newb-ish qualities you're showing or if that's what you are trying to do on purpose. The second part is because I believe that you are showing more newb-ish qualities then experienced so it was the more likely situation that it was just newb-ishness showing than you actually trying to confuse us. In reference to Battle Mage's post you just want on a bandwagon, no actual reason? Just to vote me for the hell of it? Interesting.
OverTheUnder wrote:We were at the random voting stage, if I'm to blame for voting for no reason then so is everyone else because that's what it was, a random vote. If that's the basis for your vote on me then that's sorta weird, and if you're going to say it wasn't then you need to also consider loads of other people to be scum then aswell.
Battle Mage wrote:we arent at the random voting stage now. If your vote is still that undeveloped despite your activity in this game, i suggest you have a look at YOUR playstyle rather than mine.
Raffles wrote: Probably the most crucial. 6 (or 4) scums do not know who each other are. They know their scum buddies, but they have no knowleddge of the other group. This makes it far more likely that a scum is going to turn up and push the wagon, especially if it is half way through (i.e. false sense of security that it would be okay to vote since it is not putting Reyo on lynch -1 or 2 or whatever).
Looking back, I concede that these takes a fair amount of assumption. But I do honestly believe that a scum would prefer this timing rather than beginning or the end. For that reason.Raffles wrote: It's simple, it's a halfway house. In a big game like this, if someone has got half the vote required then the person's orbiting on event horizon. Not many would question a possibility of lynch of someone who has built that many votes. This creates an ideal situation for scum who hasn't voted on that person yet. The lynchee has clearly done something questionable so placing a vote wouldn't look suspicious, but it's not placing the person on lynch -1 or 2. A safe vote.
And just may I ask, why are these scummy? It might look scummy if I did it with no reason, but I gave an explanation for each one.Mr. Flay wrote: tried to deflect attention, and then withheld information on who he thought was scummy.
The funny thing about this is, if putting an early or late vote on someone is scummy, why would town want to do it? And if the middle is the most protown place, and therefore the most likely place for scum, what's to prevent scum from WIFOMing back into the beginning and end of the wagon?Raffles wrote:Mr. Flay, I've answered both of your questions. I'm not trying to avoid anything. :/
I take it you acknowledged the answer to question 1
Answer to question 2:
Raffles wrote: Probably the most crucial. 6 (or 4) scums do not know who each other are. They know their scum buddies, but they have no knowleddge of the other group. This makes it far more likely that a scum is going to turn up and push the wagon, especially if it is half way through (i.e. false sense of security that it would be okay to vote since it is not putting Reyo on lynch -1 or 2 or whatever).Looking back, I concede that these takes a fair amount of assumption. But I do honestly believe that a scum would prefer this timing rather than beginning or the end. For that reason.Raffles wrote: It's simple, it's a halfway house. In a big game like this, if someone has got half the vote required then the person's orbiting on event horizon. Not many would question a possibility of lynch of someone who has built that many votes. This creates an ideal situation for scum who hasn't voted on that person yet. The lynchee has clearly done something questionable so placing a vote wouldn't look suspicious, but it's not placing the person on lynch -1 or 2. A safe vote.
Quoted for beautiful truth.Mastermind of Sin wrote:The funny thing about this is, if putting an early or late vote on someone is scummy, why would town want to do it? And if the middle is the most protown place, and therefore the most likely place for scum, what's to prevent scum from WIFOMing back into the beginning and end of the wagon?Raffles wrote:Mr. Flay, I've answered both of your questions. I'm not trying to avoid anything. :/
I take it you acknowledged the answer to question 1
Answer to question 2:
Raffles wrote: Probably the most crucial. 6 (or 4) scums do not know who each other are. They know their scum buddies, but they have no knowleddge of the other group. This makes it far more likely that a scum is going to turn up and push the wagon, especially if it is half way through (i.e. false sense of security that it would be okay to vote since it is not putting Reyo on lynch -1 or 2 or whatever).Looking back, I concede that these takes a fair amount of assumption. But I do honestly believe that a scum would prefer this timing rather than beginning or the end. For that reason.Raffles wrote: It's simple, it's a halfway house. In a big game like this, if someone has got half the vote required then the person's orbiting on event horizon. Not many would question a possibility of lynch of someone who has built that many votes. This creates an ideal situation for scum who hasn't voted on that person yet. The lynchee has clearly done something questionable so placing a vote wouldn't look suspicious, but it's not placing the person on lynch -1 or 2. A safe vote.
