Mini 1505: N is for Normal (game over)

[Thor665]

Wow, Bastion is actually ignoring the Normal list of what roles are or aren't considered Normal, and using a player's personal list as a justification for something.
Seriously now.

Also, no, I am not claiming PGO even though it would be the perfect way for me to get out from being "confirmed scum"
But that's because I'm not scum and don't need to fakeclaim because my flip will serve me fine when town lynches you.

[N]

Vote Count 2.03

havingfitz

(0)

ICEninja

(0)

zakk

(0)

Garmr

(1) ICEninja

toolenduso

(1) Skelda

Sir Bastion

(1) Thor665

Slandaar

(0)

Thor665

(3) Elyse, Sir Bastion, Slandaar

Elyse

(0)

Skelda

(0)

Not Voting:

havingfitz, zakk, Garmr, toolenduso

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-11-05 22:21:57)

[Sir Bastion]

Wow, Bastion is actually ignoring the Normal list of what roles are or aren't considered Normal, and using a player's personal list as a justification for something.
Seriously now.

and you are ignoring just 2 lines above that link

But paranoid Gun owner is a potential,

while its generally considered non-normal its not on the list of none allowed roles.

Though I dont know of a game with both a hider and a PGO and how it turned out. Will have a look for that.



That list came up because it's the only link I saw that mentions both of those roles while not being in a game involving 100's of roles in an open game (the other link: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia)

[Thor665]

Allow me to break it down for you; PGO is not considered Non-Normal for the Normal queue. Therefore - it is allowed to appear in Normal games.
Arguing otherwise is silly.
Arguing it at all is almost as silly since I'm even saying I'm not claiming it - but continue all your "research" anyway. That will sell everyone.

[Thor665]

Even listen to this word twist you're up to; "It is "generally" considered Non-Normal...except...y'know...for being on the non-normal list of roles for this queue"
Which means that though it is not explicitly normal.
It is normal.
Derpa-derpa.

[Garmr]

OOC
Has there been a game in recent times where you can have 100 players.

[Garmr]

hundreds of players?

[Sir Bastion]

Allow me to break it down for you; PGO is not considered Non-Normal for the Normal queue. Therefore - it is allowed to appear in Normal games.
Arguing otherwise is silly.
Arguing it at all is almost as silly since I'm even saying I'm not claiming it - but continue all your "research" anyway. That will sell everyone.

*sigh*

I am agreeing with it being normal, why else would I say it was the only point you made that stands. Why else would I highlight the part of the post where I stated that its not on the none allowed roles.

[Sir Bastion]

OOC
Has there been a game in recent times where you can have 100 players.

dont know. It would need some mad voting system to work.

There was a game I played once that had parallel worlds using two seperate threads with the ability for players to cross into different worlds (go to different threads)

I'd imagine a game with 100 would have to run across 4-6 seperate threads where they can cross into each other.

You could do a world war mafia themed game and each thread could be a country

[zakk]

Why are people even talking to Thor? Clearly if he was town he'd be fighting his lynch, but as it is, he's just sitting around and making smart-aleck comments and probably yukking it up that he's even still alive right now. He's scum, nothing he says is to be trusted and clearly he's going to try to screw with us to mislead us. Just ignore him.

And someone said we have three confirmed townies? Who, and why? I haven't finished reading the game yet.

[Garmr]

His talking about the dead townies.

[zakk]

Oh, well then, I am thoroughly disappointed.

[Thor665]

Why are people even talking to Thor? Clearly if he was town he'd be fighting his lynch, but as it is, he's just sitting around and making smart-aleck comments

I don't think you understand what is happening here.
I have attacked the case against me and continue to scumhunt.
You're not supposed to lie to advance your bad cases.

What's your read on Bastion?

[zakk]

Why are you asking me what you would already know if you had... you know, read my posts?

There aren't that many of them, surely it shouldn't be too hard to accomplish. Don't worry, I'll wait.

[zakk]

I'm more suspicious of Maxous who hasn't laid down a vote and is content on just calling people towny while fueling the flames between the two wagons.


UNVOTE: Alby boy, VOTE: Maxous

EDWOP [/b

]
and he votes still through I find him suspicious for taking so long to vote and the way his just listing people as town so early in the game.

Slightly scummy. Looking for a reason to vote rather than looking for scum?

Also your points on Tool are fluff lol the only one I could consider not fluff is the one about pretending to be clueless and that's not really to strong of a sign.

Slightly scummy.
Unnecessary mudslinging at Zakk to discredit his read?

#121 + #134 <== slow to give out reads until directly called out

I'm trying to engage in one on one this round but i'm kinda failing. I'm not the best at defending myself from multiple people either as I tend to break down even as town Albert and T-cold know this from past experience with me.

Slightly scummy. Weird excuse.

Albert- Hasn't been helpful all game, Jumped on my wagon with little reasoning and just is irritating. Scum

Making a note of this reasoning for ABR-scum. It's all he ever gives.

@Tcold
Just a couple of questions and then feel free to ask me some.

1.What do you think of the scuffle between Slandaar and Thor.(I know you think Thor is suspicious but can you point out certain points.)
2.Do you have any scum reads on people no one has mentioned and why?
3.What's your current read of Tool since you didn't like him earlier but you haven't mentioned him since. So what helped confirm/change your read on him.

This is when he ignored the ABR-Thor debate despite ABR being his strongest scum-read.
It is very plausible that inexperienced scum would avoid such a debate like a plague because of not knowing how to handle the situation.
I did'nt see toolenduso shy away from it.
That was scummy.
His stated reason for not commenting was basically that nothing changed regarding ABR. But nothing to say about ABR's case on Thor???
'nothing changed' doesn't sound genuine.

If i'm nightkilled you now have my legacy.

[zakk]

This is a good wagon, likely on scum. I don't like ICEninja's constant efforts to subtly dismantle it. I am pretty sure Albert will flip scum and ICEninja is his buddy. If I die tonight, go for ICEninja.

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

before ICEninja pulls up more crap to try and dismantle it. HF and Skelda can post tomorrow.

Albert, if you really are town, I think Thor is the person town should look into if I die tonight.

I don't think he went "back and forth" Thor. That seems pretty cut and dried to me. He believed Albert was telling the truth, and he changed his target to you.

What exactly is your defense here? Because I'm not seeing how any of this "Vote IceNinja" baloney is anything but a last ditch attempt to prolong your life another miserable day.

If I die tonight, go for ICEninja.

Vote: Ice

If I die tonight, go for ICEninja.

Vote: Ice

his other claim fits better.

first he made it after the one you linked (10 posts later)

secondly he specified if Albert flipped town he was going to check you.

If albert had flipped scum I expect he would have hide behind ice and we would be in a very different game right now.

This actually changes my opinion of Sir Bastion somewhat (for the better).

I swear, if IceNinja, Sir Bastion, and Thor are all scum, I'm going to punch a hole in the wall.

[zakk]

Brb, gonna read all of IceNinja's posts.

[zakk]

What is your read on me, Thor?
I'm interested to know in light of your comments about me earlier when you were briefly voting me.

Thorough answer, please.

[zakk]

If Slandaar, Zakk, and Garmr all magically ended up dead and flipped, I wouldn't be a sad panda.

I've got a theory here:

I highly doubt that Slandaar and Thor are on the same team.
I highly doubt that if Thor is scum that he would put a list of all town.
I know I'm town.

Therefore, if Thor is scum, I'm willing to bet that my waffling read on Garmr is about to waffle back to scum.

[Slandaar]

I have another 12 days 18 hours of this? ughhhhhhhhhh

Thor is scum lynch him.
Ice is scum lynch him tomorrow.

We need not discuss further.

[Slandaar]

Oh 3rd scum is Zakk 'Slands slot is wifomy' 'Slands not on same team as Thor'

[Slandaar]

See, now there is nothing to discuss, lynch.

[zakk]

Okay let me figure out where I am. I finished reading Thor (really scummy) and IceNinja (really town), and I'm now reading Garmr because Thor's post which I noted above made me want to check him out yet again. Here's where I'm at right now.

The Town Tier
zakk - Awesome and town.
ICEninja - Strong town read. Thor's insistence that he be lynched made me stray into WIFOM land for a bit, but after a re-read of his ISO I can comfortably say he's town.
toolenduso - Pretty strong town read as well. I feel like I'm getting to the point where I can throw him into the town bucket with IceNinja and stop worrying about him.

The Probably Town Tier
Garmr - Wafflied back and forth a little, but it's a pretty strong town read right now, as I'm reading his ISO. It comes to me also that the only reason I doubted this was because of Thor. So, there's that. I'm going to finish his ISO and if it changes I'll post something, but I don't think it will. For now he stays out of the Town tier and is in the Probably Town tier of my opinions.

The Seems Unlikely to Be Aligned With Pretty Obvious Scum Tier
Slandaar - I really don't think he's scum, if Thor is. And I think Thor is. If they are scum together though, they deserve to win just for the amount of baloney they put us through on Day 1. That amount of back and forth would be really hard to contrive on the fly with so many other factors (players) floating around and through the middle of it all. I still want to read Slandaar's posts for motivational tells though.

The Relatively Nothing Tier (Where Probably Resides At Least One Scum If Not Two)
TCold/havingfitz - Still need to read more of this slot. I have limited notes on TCold, and nothing on havingfitz.
Macros/Elyse - I had a vague opinion that Macros was townish, but I need to read much more deeply into that. Also, I have read nothing of Elyse.
Axxle/Skelda - Same as above, except exchange Macros for Axxle, and Elyse for Skelda.

The I Have Seen A Lot of Reasons To Think They're Scum Tier
Sir Bastion

The Pretty Obvious Scum Tier
Thor665 - Scum. No two ways about it. Consider my vote on him pending my reading being complete.

Also sorry for all the posts in a row but I'm on a roll here.

[zakk]

I have another 12 days 18 hours of this? ughhhhhhhhhh

Thor is scum lynch him.
Ice is scum lynch him tomorrow.

We need not discuss further.

Oh 3rd scum is Zakk 'Slands slot is wifomy' 'Slands not on same team as Thor'

I highly doubt IceNinja is scum, and I know for certain I'm not scum, so, you know, try again there buddy.

Sorry, I probably shouldn't antagonize you. We all saw what happened on Day 1, didn't we?

[zakk]

Yeah, Garmr has graduated into town reads, lol

Onto Macros/Elyse, TCold/havingfitz, and Axxle/Skelda.