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Vote Count 1.11

TCold

(1) ICEninja

ICEninja

(0)

zakk

(2) Garmr, toolenduso

Garmr

(3) Axxle, TCold, Elyse

toolenduso

(0)

Sir Bastion

(0)

Slandaar

(0)

Thor665

(3) Slandaar, Maxous, zakk

Elyse

(1) Sir Bastion

Maxous

(0)

F-16_Fighting_Falcon

(0)

Albert B. Rampage

(1) Thor665

Axxle

(1) Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting:

F-16_Fighting_Falcon

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-10-23 18:36:35)

[ICEninja]

LOL Albert you crack me up.

[ICEninja]

Oh and F-16 cracks me up too LOL.

I find meta to be a very useful tool and IceNinja's dismissal of Thor's case based on the fact that he is referring to his meta to be a poor argument.

Go back and read it. You'll realize that I pointed out that

every single linked game was COMPLETELY irrelevant

to his play this game.

Also he wants to do a VCA but declines to put his vote down?

I think VCA's are useless but IceNinja clearly thinks that they are useful. With a player who has that mindset, I'd expect him to put down a vote so it becomes easier to VCA him. He is working against what he seems to think is a useful scumhunting method.

You're clearly clueless.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

VOTE: IceNinja

The dismissal of my argument without addressing it is scummy as well.

[Thor665]

Thor, my case on you is made up. The reason I made it up is because I wanted to teach you that if you go against me, this is what will come of it. It's not wise for you to go against me. I'm stronger. I scumhunt better. I get who I want lynched more often than you do. Remember that. Tell your QT buddies if you're scum.

Confirm Vote: Albert

No, you started this train, we're doing it. No backsies.

[Thor665]

And I already knew your case was made up - don't shock me like that, I have a weak heart.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Thor, what do you think of ICEninja?

[Thor665]

That he is a distraction from lynching obv. scum.

[Thor665]

Eh, he's also silly enough to suggest that my play in my last three games has "nothing" to do with my play this game.
Suggesting I have a totally new meta in this game unlike my most recent town *and* scum game,a nd apparently totally reinvented myself.
I would suggest that shows that he doesn't actually understand how to read for meta or is convinced I am shockingly ridiculous and work to redefine my meta constantly.

Also - distraction.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

By "distraction," I assume you read him as town. If so, why? None of the things you have mentioned read as town to me.

I am unsure about Albert and here's why: You and him are two most experienced players in this game. If he is scum and you town, you are his one biggest threat and possibly his only fear. I don't see the scum motivation in initiating an attack on you and putting himself in the spotlight when he can just as easily push on one of the weaker players in the game and safely nightkill you. I can see him possibly pushing for your mislynch based on the "thrill of mislynching Thor" which would be the kind of mindset I would ascribe to someone with his personality - although that wouldn't be optimal for his wincon. I need more time to figure him out.

[Thor665]

By "distraction," I assume you read him as town. If so, why? None of the things you have mentioned read as town to me.

By distraction I mean exactly that - he is a distraction.
I personally lean him into the town category, but hardly by an impressive amount and not off any particular pro-town tells but rather a lack of scummy tells beyond what I have expressed already about the lack of his play.

I am unsure about Albert and here's why: You and him are two most experienced players in this game.

Sure.

If he is scum and you town, you are his one biggest threat and possibly his only fear.

Sure.

I don't see the scum motivation in initiating an attack on you and putting himself in the spotlight when he can just as easily push on one of the weaker players in the game and safely nightkill you.

I can think of quite a few.

I can see him possibly pushing for your mislynch based on the "thrill of mislynching Thor" which would be the kind of mindset I would ascribe to someone with his personality - although that wouldn't be optimal for his wincon.

I think that is pretty blatantly not what happened here.

I need more time to figure him out.

Yeah, because him being called out by me for advancing a total gak case, and then realizing I was probably going to get people to notice and backpedaling away from it like a burnt dog while *still* indicating potential to scum read me even at that instant is total town play.
Sure - read up on him, get back to me. Maybe some people will be done "reading my meta" by then and notice that I'd called him out as a liar light years ago and now he's admitted it.
Then we'll lynch all the ones who BOUGHT it simply due to my hatred of them.

[Thor665]

Here's the ABR scum case in a nutshell for you not noticing this.

1. He presents a scum case on me.
2. I call him bad and the case worse and provide evidence of such.
3. He reiterates the strength of the case.
4. I call him scummy for how he's pushing it and vote him.
5. He reiterates the value of his case.
6. I call him and everyone who looks like him terrible and still point out the holes.
7. He admits he was making up the whole thing.
8. He still suggests I'm scum.

Hint: #7 and #8 actually don't make sense when added together...y'know, considering he made up the case on me! So, y'know, what have I done at that point to look scummy? Oh, right, I called him a liar and said he should be lynched...which should tell him that MY READS ARE GOOD. Instead he's all like, lulz, just "showin' ya"

Anyone who doesn't comment on that I'll just presume is his scumbuddy.

[Thor665]

Additional Hint: this time, y'know, actually pay attention - unlike you all did for the Thor case, where you just randomly sheeped without paying attention to facts.

[Thor665]

Oh, wait, right, people didn't like my "attitude" then.
Because *that* affects reality and facts.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Here's the ABR scum case in a nutshell for you not noticing this.

1. He presents a scum case on me.
2. I call him bad and the case worse and provide evidence of such.
3. He reiterates the strength of the case.
4. I call him scummy for how he's pushing it and vote him.
5. He reiterates the value of his case.
6. I call him and everyone who looks like him terrible and still point out the holes.
7. He admits he was making up the whole thing.
8. He still suggests I'm scum.

Hint: #7 and #8 actually don't make sense when added together...y'know, considering he made up the case on me! So, y'know, what have I done at that point to look scummy? Oh, right, I called him a liar and said he should be lynched...which should tell him that MY READS ARE GOOD. Instead he's all like, lulz, just "showin' ya"

Anyone who doesn't comment on that I'll just presume is his scumbuddy.

If you were scum, you would still push him and refute his case, wouldn't you? That doesn't make you obvtown from his POV.

Also, can you explain this:

I can think of quite a few.

from your post 360.

[Thor665]

If you were scum, you would still push him and refute his case, wouldn't you? That doesn't make you obvtown from his POV.

At that point, what do you think he was doing?
Because apparently it wasn't scumhunting then.

I see little reason to go into a vast laundry list of theoreticals on why he'd want to lynch me as opposed to NK me as scum, but here are a few that seem fething obvious;

1. If he can get me to L-1 he can learn if I'm a PR, if he fears me then that is highly useful to know.
2. If he thinks I'm a dangerous player it's also possible I'll draw a protect unless he makes me look scummy or lynches me first
3. Considering my attention on him prior to night even coming, it would be better for him to make me a lynch rather than a NK because then people would look at who I suspected and he'd be half of it.

I don't see actual value in this discussion though unless you're seriously suggesting that scum would never try to mislynch powerful town players.

[Thor665]

Like, if he'd run me up to see who would sheep his bad case and then went after that, that would be something...but for him to be doing that *he'd have to suspect I was town*
Instead he's going after a lurker after admitting (after being caught) that his case was made up gak.

[Thor665]

Oh, and look, let's see who the only player who paid attention to the bad case and made calls on it was...
That would be me.
The guy he thinks is scum.
Yup.

[zakk]

I can't overstate how amusing it is that the two players voting me are the two I called scum in my first post.

More thoughts soon.

[Sir Bastion]

Zakk you are not that important

[Garmr]

The thor and slandaar back and forth hurts my head. I like how zakk jumps on the wagons with the most momentum. Notice how at the end of posts 249 and post 368 yet still hasn't released anything of substance. His sarcastic, trying to be funny but failing and just has thrown out heaps of fluff I'm quite happy with my vote. He was also trying to push a lynch on Thor with out offering anything to the case def scum.

[Garmr]

*Notice how he says he will go more into depth*. ebwop

[Slandaar]

Thor please stop avoiding my questions. Where is the misrep you continually say exists?

And show this revisionist posting.

I can make the exact same case you presented on ABR on you; just making stuff up the difference is you won't admit it and seem to think I will let you get away with not explaining it.

ABR is town
ICE is scum

You should take that as fact.

I had Ice as scum prior and I will show why soon but here is the evidence;

LOL Albert you crack me up.

Not Town; no stance on the issue and it clearly comes from scum seeing town who made up a case. Think about it another way; Anyone who is town react remotely similar? nope and noone will all you have to do is think about how you reacted when you read it. And the reason for the difference is we don't know ABR's alignment although ICE has now given it away.

[Slandaar]

You responded to the part of the sentence I wasn't questioning. What I was asking was, why did you say it doesn't it feel right?

Because it didn't; the question didn't make sense to ask.

Could you please explain what I missed in your pasts instead of just saying I missed something?

You are not applying context which I told you previously.

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