Mini 404: Diablo Mafia (Game Over)

[livingod]

Both TJM and DoS claim = good.

TJM goes first. Why? Vibes.

[Thestatusquo]

Both TJM and DoS claim = good.

TJM goes first. Why? Vibes.

FOS: Livingod

[livingod]

Vibes = I find TJM scummier.

[Thestatusquo]

No, I mean supporting straight two claims is scummy.

[livingod]

It's because I think they're both scum. But if TJM's claim seems like bull enough, I won't push for a DoS claim anymore.

[Skruffs]

12 player game, probably 3 scum - 3 mafia if there isn't an sk or (Whatever) -
DOes that mean one of aelyn and hceesefan are the third scum?

[Zindaras]

Official Voting Update

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DragonsofSummer

: 5 (Thestatusquo, remussaidow, TheJiveMachine, Skruffs, livingod)

TheJiveMachine

: 5 (DragonsofSummer, chaotic_diablo, Save the Dragons, Mr. Flay, Cogito Ergo Sum)

Not Voting

: 2 (Aelyn, Cheesefan)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

[TheJiveMachine]

Roleclaim: Guybrush Threepwood, Neutral Survivor.

[Thestatusquo]

um...I think that's the first time I've seen someone claim survivor. Not in scum chat, that is. I am not sure what I think of that.

[remussaidow]

I don't recognize the name, but I'd need to see a few of the other names to say if that's odd or not.

[DragonsofSummer]

Roleclaim: Geleb Flamefinger, Council Member, Prime Evil Aligned

[Mr. Flay]

The name is extremely weird, considering it's not even a Diablo character. On the other hand, that makes it an extremely unlikely scum claim.

The question here is whether Neutral means he can win with scum. If so, I think we take note of who has voted for him up until now and lynch.

I'm more inclined to believe DoS at present.

[remussaidow]

That is one of the council members, I believe.

[Skruffs]

One of Jive or IH's awesome points just skyrocketed in my book.
Jive - is there flavor text as to how your found yourself in the depths of hades? As far as I remember, you were not dead at the end of the Monkey Island series...

[TheJiveMachine]

It's when I wandered into the Monkey's Head in search of LeChuck's ship. I guess my flavor is basically (instead of the penultimate section of SoMI) that I found myself lost just as a civil war in the depths of hell broke out, and now I'm just trying to stay safe until it blows over. Yes, it's not a Diablo character, but I suppose it's supposed to be the comic relief role.

[Thestatusquo]

Someone who knows anything about diablo enlighten me a) Who DoS's character is, and b) Why we're letting him off the hook without him actually claiming a roll. Unless council-member is a mafia role that I have never heard of.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Thestatusquo, to answer your question, Geleb Flamefinger is one of the 7 council members that served Mephisto, his most trusted lieutenants.

Guybrush Threepwood is such a ridiculous claim. And Zindaras said that everyone was evil in this game. Our Monkey Island adventurer is the hero type, not evil.

Confirm vote: TJM

[Thestatusquo]

I want a roleclaim from DOS. I don't want to let him off the hook so easily. I also see no reason why scum would claim something so...Rediculous when I am sure that any competant mod would give people good fake claims.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

We should lynch TJM today. We can go all crazy WIFOM, but in the worst case scenario, he's just a Neutral.

And personally, if I wanted to be in a game with Guybrush Threepwood, I'd sign up for a Monkey Island game, not a Diablo one. I have trouble imagining Zindie putting this role into the game.

Why are you suddenly advocating a full roleclaim from DragonsofSummer, Status?

[Thestatusquo]

He claimed. I think he is the scummier of the two. I do not want to let him off the off the hook.

First, lets get this out of the way:

FOS: CES(YARR!)

this

but in the worst case scenario, he's just a Neutral.

is a scum argument. And is in fact one of the arguments I hate most in the game. "He's neutral, so we might as well lynch him, he's not town after all."

It makes the assumption that because we have a person who is not town, it is suddenly good play to give up scum hunting. It's a really easy way for scum to push a misslynch.

Now. Here's my analysis of the situation.

We have two claims: Something I didn't want from the start. One is partial, and one is full. Now we already have a name claim, (which is apparently strong) we should look at the ability and see if it fits.

My thoughts on TJM: I think he may be our lynch for today, but I certainly wouldn't be too happy with it. I've been in many theme games, and every single one of them have included safe claims for the scum players. Therefore, I see no reason at all why
scum would not use those claims. I mean, you can say wifom, but I would argue it's not, because the benefits scum could get from claiming neutral are WAY outweighed by the fact that everyone wants to lynch the guy who "Is at best neutral"

His actions have been arbitrarily scummy. Especially his responses to the case brought against him, and his actions in reaction to the DoS wagon. I just can't help the fact that I kind of believe the claim.

I'll get to DoS in a second. I have to go eat dinner now.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

[quote="TheStatusquo"He's neutral, so we might as well lynch him, he's not town after all."[quote]
That's not what I'm saying at all. I really think he's scum based on the claim. Obviously I can be wrong however. But then we would've only lynched a Neutral. I'd still rather hit scum, but lynching a Neutral sure beats lynching a townie. And a survivor could also turn on the town in, for example, a 5-player endgame with 2 mafia. He'd help lynch town to ensure his own victory.

Essentially, it's the reason you don't lynch claimed cops(the risk is too big), but then inverted. The risk is very much small.

TheStatusquo, I find it far more plausible that TJM made a silly claim(perhaps he didn't like his safe claims, felt too lazy to do some basic research, I don't know or care) than to think that Zindaras would put such a role in this game. It has no place here. Scum do make big mistakes.

[Thestatusquo]

It's possible, but I tend to try to play the game by assuming that everyone is playing their best. That way, when they are I won't be caught off gaurd.

DoS: I think he is scum, period. The fact that he opportunistically claimed when there was already pressure on TJM makes me a little suspicious of him in addition to my previously stated case. It;s like he thought TJMs claim was scummy, so he could skate under it. I am pretty confident that he is our lynch today, but I would also lynch TJM if we need it to get a lynch before deadline.

[Skruffs]

Important Note

: Because everyone's evil in this game, there is no Town Aligned or Mafia Aligned. The Town in this game are Prime Evil Aligned and the Mafia is Lesser Evil Aligned. There may or may not be other alignments.

This WHOLE page is juicy and it's interesting seeing how certain people have immediately taken sides.

It's just as likely that TJM was afraid to fake claim a role,a nd so made one up, as that it is a real role.
It's ALSO possible that DOS is fake claiming a council member and hoping it's not one that anyone else has had.

There were a bunch of council members : Check them out Here.
Summary : Mephisto is this HUGE bad ass (one of the Prime Evils, glory be unto him) who got locked away for having such a huge, bad, ass. He somehow took over seven of these Zakuramic priests (the order tha had locked him away) and had them free him. The rock that freed him - the soulstone - he then broke and put into each of hte seven council men's bodies. Geleb Flamefinge is *one* of those priests - and is therefore a lieutenant of MEphisto, who is (in this game) one of the people we want to keep alive.
With Seven council men, I doubt they are ALL in this game (almost impossible actually) - so the only way to disprove DOS's claim is if someone has that name as well.

That is what bothers me about CES's defense of DOS - he is saying that TJM has a crappy fake claim - when the mod would obviously be giving him fake claims - but doesn't seem to consider that maybe DOS was given a fake claim and is using it.

Remus didn't know enough to research Guybrush, but he was all o-kay with DoS's diablo-relevant claim. This also puzzles me - I've played the game but I don't remember any of the names except Wort and his peg leg that you could jam jewels into.

So what really irks me is that TSQ and CES are pushing hard for one of these two to be lynched. Well, lemme say - there's no DEFINITE scum being nominated now, and you guys are really straining at the bits for ONE of them to get lynched. If I didn't know any better... naw. I guess I do know better.

Anyways so yeah if TJM is scum it's likely that TSQ is too, if DOS is scum it's likely that CES or Remus might be as well.

Personally, I'm willing to accept both claims. THis goes agaginst Livingod, who wants to lynch both of them. Greedy little bugga. [/url]

[Skruffs]

BTW - neutral wins with either side - he just wins at the end as long as he's alive. (which does fit in with his claim and the character he's claiming to be )

[DragonsofSummer]

Skruffs: Thx for the explanation I was about to go do one, but I think TSQ will like it more coming from someone else anyway.

TSQ: Basically as part of the council I am a mason from what I can tell.