Mini 404: Diablo Mafia (Game Over)

[Thestatusquo]

At the time I brought the bandwagon, I did not think that TJM was that scummy, we also did not have a deadline. There was nothing wrong with starting a competing bandwagon at that time.

Your stretching is noted, however.

[chaotic_diablo]

At the time you brought the bandwagon, there was already another wagon with 5 votes that isn't based on randomness. That is currently a "full-fledged" bandwagon. Starting another bandwagon is a distraction since it gives the pressured leeway and a chance to escape. In addition, it can be argued that you might also be his partner, hence you didn't find TJM scummy.

You stated that two claims will confuse the town. However, two wagons are potentially more confusing and distracting. There are more arguments, more points, and more opinions to take into account. How in the world can two claims possibly be confusing?

If you feel that getting two claims is too 'confusing', then let's get TJM's claim first.

[DragonsofSummer]

In general what do people get into trouble as far as "quoting" a role pm? I just want to know so that my my claim will not get me into trouble with the mod.

[Thestatusquo]

I can support his claim first if that is the direction the town goes. At this point, the option I am seeing as most likely is that they are both scum.

2 claims immediately puts two much information out there for scum if one of them is not scum. It's just unsafe play.

By your logic, people should not ever say any one is scummy, and provide reasoning for why they think that if there is already suspicion on someone else. That is fucking retarded. The whole purpose of a mafia game is to share ones suspicions, and to discuss with the rest of the town to find the bad guys, not just randomly push for a lynch on a person because everyone else is.

Furthermore I would say your argument is ignoring three key elements: First, you're ignoring the fact that I presented a very logical, well researched, and thought out case on TJM, one that was, in fact, much better than the one on TJM. Your argument relys on the false premise that TJM was a better wagon.

Second, your argument assumes that a second wagon is a bad thing. This is patently untrue. A second wagon generates excess discussion, which is a good thing. I would argue that the only time a second wagon is a bad thing is when we are under deadline, which I point out again, was untrue at the time I stated my case against DoS. This is why, I have been attempting to consolidate behind one of the candidates and get ONE to claim, because at a deadline, excess discussion IS distracting. Hence, your actions in response to our current situation seem a tad scummy to me.

Third, your argument assumes that the original person pressured was, and is, scum. In order for your argument to have any impact, there has to be concrete consequence from "letting the pressure off of TJM." At the time, I didn't think there was. The arguments against TJM, at that time, I thought were fairly weak, as he seems just like a relatively inexperienced player caught with some of the big boys (Most notably you, STD, and Mr. Flay) and seemed a tad over his head. I did not think that was indicative of alignment.

Your continued reach is continually noted.

[Thestatusquo]

In general what do people get into trouble as far as "quoting" a role pm? I just want to know so that my my claim will not get me into trouble with the mod.

Heres shea's simple rules for claiming.

Step one: Read the rules. I just got modkilled in a game recently for claiming flavor when it wasn't allowed. I felt really dumb.

Step two: Get a general understanding of what your role does. If it has a commonly used term (I.E. Doctor, Cop, scum) use it. If not, generally sketch out the role. Be careful to put it into your own words, so that it is not recognizable as the original language of your PM.

Step three: If allowed, and if applicable, include a list of targets which accompanies a list of nights.

Pretty much what you'll get in trouble for is having language that people can tell wasn't written by you, or claiming something you're not allowed to.

ZINDIE! LOOK AT ALL THIS WONDERFUL DISCUSSION. COULD WE HAVE AN EXTENSION SO WE CAN GET THIS RIGHT!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Step four: if you're doubting, pm the mod with what you're considering saying.

Unvote

, because we don't need two claims. DragonsofSummer claims.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Wait, no, I want TJM to claim first. I'm being forgetful.

Vote: TJM

[Zindaras]

Official Voting Update

:

DragonsofSummer

: 5 (Thestatusquo, remussaidow, TheJiveMachine, Skruffs, livingod)

TheJiveMachine

: 5 (DragonsofSummer, chaotic_diablo, Save the Dragons, Mr. Flay, Cogito Ergo Sum)

Not Voting

: 2 (Aelyn, Cheesefan)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline removed.

[Skruffs]

Well, DoS is not a nilla, that's for sure.
Actually Shea, flattery gets you everywhere, that's hte best FOS I've ever had.
I have been sitting back, because, well, I offer ed my suggestion abuot today, and things are slowly evolving. I am, instead of speculating about everything and getting in everyone's face, more watching to see who says what in relation to who said what, etc. Since I basically agree with a livingod, dos, c_D, or tjm lynch, there's nothign really to push or subtract from this today.

[Mr. Flay]

TSQ makes much sense; CES is insane or playing drunk. Forgetting who your partners are, froggy?

I'd like to see *a* claim. We've pretty much got a partial one from DoS at this point, so going further can only help him be rescued tonight, actually. If he deserves it.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES is insane or playing drunk. Forgetting who your partners are, froggy?

I don't drink, fyi, I just got the two confused. Also, I'm Dutch, not French.

[Mr. Flay]

Actually, TSQ is the frog, not you. Maybe I'm the one who's drunk...

[Save The Dragons]

Its different from how I've seen you play previously,

DING DING DING

<3 TSQ

I don't quite understand the arguement that starting another bandwagon is bad. Sure, derailment is bad, but finding a new suspicion is probably better.

That said, I'm not so sure the call for two claims is that scummy, since at least one of the two is most likely scum. Although I really don't think we should be claiming to decide which one is better, I think we should pick one and have them claim to see if we should pursue.

[Save The Dragons]

FOS: Livingod

[Skruffs]

I have been taming myself down in games when I replace into them. At least until i know what's going on.

[TheJiveMachine]

Sorry for absence, I was at a party all weekend.

It feels like people are coming up with reasons why DoS is scummy, while my wagon is saying "TJM is the better play" over and over with no substance. I'll admit I've made mistakes, but I've done my best to explain myself. I can see why this could just be considered backpedaling, so I can understand that I'll be suspected. What I don't get is this faction that's trying to force me and DoS into a game of claim chicken. It looks more like scum trying to find power roles than town trying to avoid a mislynch.

[chaotic_diablo]

Fine whatever, if you feel that a second bandwagon is good for town, then go ahead and continue it. Just get along and get TJM to claim already. I'm not about to get into a 2-3 page argument on ethics and crap.

[Thestatusquo]

Actually, TSQ is the frog, not you. Maybe I'm the one who's drunk...

Mr. Flay, I am not understanding you at all...

[Thestatusquo]

Bump. Does any of the non posters have anything to say?

[remussaidow]

midterms, I'll be back very soon for a game based post.

[Skruffs]

I'm going to think that if they wanted to say anything, they would. THey are lurky mcscummers, all of them. *Sniff*

[Thestatusquo]

If they start dying, then we know that zindaras is scum.

[Mr. Flay]

I'd like to see TJM stop stalling. You're at 5 of 7 needed, and your arguments are not being found persuasive. Are there scum on your wagon? Almost assuredly, if you're pro-town. However we're not going to find ANY scum by sitting in a holding pattern. If you've got a role, you should probably claim. It will either move you up or down the chain, and either way things will have evolved.

TSQ: I mistook your avatar for the wrong username, that's all. And for some reason I've adopted a very cavalier approach to this game, which is leading to a lot more joking around than usual.

[Thestatusquo]

I support a TJM claim, and if my vote is necessary to force one, it will go there. I still prefer to lynch DoS, though.

[Thestatusquo]

*bump*