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DoctorEagle Townie
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I'm inclined to vote Venrob because of the self meta and his attempt to make self voting looking like an alignment indicative thing rather than a playstyle indicative thing.
I need to ask DP on his read for Venrob. But I'll go ahead and vote him now
VOTE: Venrob
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P-Edit: No scumhunting either, pieguy.-
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pieguyn Survivor
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@everyone: Venrob is L - 1 watch out plz
yeah I agree about "no scumhunting". that said
JacobSavage, Venrob: may we have a list of your reads plz.
thenewearth: explain your reads more plz?In post 211, thenewearth wrote:
DE and Pieguy are townIn post 209, Brian Skies wrote:@TNE: What are your reads right now?
Venrob is scum-
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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I thought you guys were going to vote me?In post 225, DoctorEagle wrote:I'm inclined to vote Venrob because of the self meta and his attempt to make self voting looking like an alignment indicative thing rather than a playstyle indicative thing.
I need to ask DP on his read for Venrob. But I'll go ahead and vote him now
VOTE: Venrob
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P-Edit: No scumhunting either, pieguy.I bloom in spring?
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JacobSavage Mafia Scum
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Seriously this gives you a town read?Venrob is leaning town for me cause I like how he just straight up said "this is how I play" etc., and everything he's done so far seems to match that. in fact I said this already 0.0
That's pretty much what you've said he was town for.Venrob in [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=4666792#p4666792]Open 474[/url] wrote:Stupid internet... stopped letting me post! Fixed it. About the wiki: I cant write what i claimed in thread? I need to make people dig for my claim? That's stupid.
My play in one sentence?
Very odd with false scumtells seen where i cant tell and what people tell me is bad play, though i highly disagree because its just how i play.
Check it- run on sentence, but just one.
Now as for in a nice description:
I play odd enough for people to call me scum as town and town as scum (check open 428- absta was such an idiot). I can make good plays (472 i claimed mason as vt and scum shot me (in that game when scum shoots vt the scum dies)). I can be bad in LYLO (Phineas and Ferb mafia, to be fair i replaced in). Sometimes people get accurate reads on me (lylo of 428- all the town except absta thought i was scum). As for my scumhunting skills, not much untill day 2 or three, or when the first scum dies. My brain works differently than most, so i hunt differently. Dont try and have me explain how i hunt, it would take a while to type and also i dont really know how i do it myself lol. I'd have to ISO myself in several different games to figure it out (its mostly subconscious hunting).
LONG POST IS LONG
Anyway as i said im not much use untill day 2 or 3. Now, further questions about me?
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JacobSavage Mafia Scum
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Alduskkel
Brian Skies
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DoctorEagle
EspeciallyTheLies
Hiraki
Sakura Hana
thenewearth
Ankamius
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Venrob
pieguyn
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Can you go into these two reads, please? I have a town read on pieguyn and Viera Assassin has been impossible for me to read so far.In post 229, JacobSavage wrote:----Town
Alduskkel
Brian Skies
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DoctorEagle
EspeciallyTheLies
Hiraki
Sakura Hana
thenewearth
Ankamius
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Venrob
pieguyn
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VA is scum because his name is last and I didn't see it when I was moving the names around, SO BY JOVE HE MUST BE SCUM.
Venrob is scum because of this self meta thing, that and he deliberately avoids his other scum games that he replaced out of which to be honest, given how he seems to be trying to cover it up.
You are scum if Venrob isn't for trying to white knight him over something stupid.-
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This is curious to me, Jacob. I am personally reading him as town.
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pieguyn Survivor
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I'm not actually white knighting him? I just said I was townreading him. not sure on the exact definition of white knighting but I don't think I've done any actual defense on his part o.oIn post 232, JacobSavage wrote:You are scum if Venrob isn't for trying to white knight him over something stupid.-
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Alduskkel Jack of All Trades
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Yo
popping in to say I disapprove of Venrob being at L-1
Still have limited access.
Will respond to stuff later.
At least don't hammer in the next 7 hours. And obviously wait for Venrob to post again. Ideally, don't hammer him at all.
@Venrob: Scumreads?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Alduskkel Jack of All Trades
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Oh hey it's my scumday. 5th year here wooCLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
"i've only known aldus for four and a half months but if anything happened to him i would kill everyone in this room and then myself" -Datisi, March 28 2020
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thenewearth Mafia Scum
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By this do you mean you just don't want Venrob on L-1 or what?In post 235, Alduskkel wrote: popping in to say I disapprove of Venrob being at L-1-
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Brian Skies Survivor
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Although I don't like how the wagon started on her (the lack of commitment thing is bs and Ald should feel bad), I'm leaning null-scum here. I don't really like her defense, especially the part about Ank. She already claimed to be a self-voter and even mentions ns self-voting all the time. So this raised a bunch of red flags for me. I acknowledge the light chainsaw too. However, she seems insistent that even though other people do it as town, it's still scummy. Part of me says that if we lynch her, she might flip town. Especially since both Sakura and notscience are players that seem to really want to change their metas.In post 224, pieguyn wrote:anyway, what's your opinion on Sakura? especially the contradiction I pointed in my post
Ald, however, seems pretty scummy to me. He sheeped his way onto the Venrob wagon with a shit reason and he sheeped VA's shitty Saki-meta vote with another shit reason. I haven't been impressed with his pushing either. To me, it just looks like scum trying to look busy. And I'm willing to wager that either Sakura or Ald will flip scum (not convinced of them being a scumteam yet at this point).
And what contradiction? You need to be more specific.
I'm townreading Ank because it looked like he was intentionally self-voting to get reads and push a discussion.In post 224, pieguyn wrote:I was referring to that @_@ I thought this was saying Venrob voting Ank led to the wagon which in part got out of RVS. without him voting Ank, this wouldn't have happened
While it's trueVenrob's votecontributed to getting us out of RVS, I don't see the same intention ofVenrobwanting to move us out of RVS through his vote as Ank.
Because I'm not an RVS player and I don't have any real experience initiating attacks. I'm better at letting other people take control, analyzing what happens, and making my reads accordingly. My Day 1 play is weak and it's something I need to work on.In post 224, pieguyn wrote:why didn't you pressure him farther then? you could have easily asked something like "why did you attack him and not me"..
Besides, I wanted to see other people's reactions to the Venrob wagon. It surprised me to see that only a few people realized I should have been wagoned too (and this happened much later). I was waiting for someone to attack me but it never came.
One of your heads was leaning town on him, and now you want to sheep onto the wagon?In post 225, DoctorEagle wrote:I'm inclined to vote Venrob because of the self meta and his attempt to make self voting looking like an alignment indicative thing rather than a playstyle indicative thing.
I need to ask DP on his read for Venrob. But I'll go ahead and vote him now
VOTE: Venrob
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P-Edit: No scumhunting either, pieguy.
Why? What's changed (besides what you already said in this post)?
I'm not sold on you yet.In post 227, Sakura Hana wrote:I thought you guys were going to vote me?-
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pieguyn Survivor
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see this postBrian Skies wrote:And what contradiction? You need to be more specific.
there's some things in that defense that seem nervous 0.0
^ this is a good idea. then why say this first? vBrian Skies wrote:Besides, I wanted to see other people's reactions to the Venrob wagon. It surprised me to see that only a few people realized I should have been wagoned too (and this happened much later). I was waiting for someone to attack me but it never came.
clearly your idea of watching the Venrob wagon was a good idea that happened in RVS. if you had an idea, better to stick with it :3 for me, the fact that you throw this in there before saying your intention means you're nervous...Because I'm not an RVS player and I don't have any real experience initiating attacks. I'm better at letting other people take control, analyzing what happens, and making my reads accordingly. My Day 1 play is weak and it's something I need to work on.
I find it weird how you mentioned Ald. can you explain why you did that plz?Brian Skies wrote:Ald, however, seems pretty scummy to me. He sheeped his way onto the Venrob wagon with a shit reason and he sheeped VA's shitty Saki-meta vote with another shit reason. I haven't been impressed with his pushing either. To me, it just looks like scum trying to look busy. And I'm willing to wager that either Sakura or Ald will flip scum (not convinced of them being a scumteam yet at this point).-
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DoctorEagle Townie
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Brian Skies Survivor
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As per the contradiction, it's scummy. And if you were to ask my opinion, I'm pretty certain Ank's self-vote was for information gain and not confusion (hence my townread).
I'm telling you why I chose to go with my idea instead of attacking him outright. There is a direct correlation between the type of player I am and the decision I made.In post 239, pieguyn wrote:
^ this is a good idea. then why say this first? vBrian Skies wrote:Besides, I wanted to see other people's reactions to the Venrob wagon. It surprised me to see that only a few people realized I should have been wagoned too (and this happened much later). I was waiting for someone to attack me but it never came.
clearly your idea of watching the Venrob wagon was a good idea that happened in RVS. if you had an idea, better to stick with it :3 for me, the fact that you throw this in there before saying your intention means you're nervous...Because I'm not an RVS player and I don't have any real experience initiating attacks. I'm better at letting other people take control, analyzing what happens, and making my reads accordingly. My Day 1 play is weak and it's something I need to work on.
Also notice how quickly the Venrob wagon formed and how little reason accompanied it. If I didn't have a firm grasp of what was going on, I would have called it interesting too (looks at Sakura). It's like, seriously, you have 4 votes on 1 person, and nobody says anything substantial. And we already know that there can be, at best, 3 mafia (or 2 mafia and a traitor). I was curious to see how the discussion would develop. This also leads to why I didn't like how the Sakura wagon started.
Because I'm scumreading him based on his interactions with Sakura. I think at least one of them is likely to be scum, but I'm just not convinced they're a team yet.In post 239, pieguyn wrote:
I find it weird how you mentioned Ald. can you explain why you did that plz?Brian Skies wrote:Ald, however, seems pretty scummy to me. He sheeped his way onto the Venrob wagon with a shit reason and he sheeped VA's shitty Saki-meta vote with another shit reason. I haven't been impressed with his pushing either. To me, it just looks like scum trying to look busy. And I'm willing to wager that either Sakura or Ald will flip scum (not convinced of them being a scumteam yet at this point).-
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pieguyn Survivor
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ok I'm satisfied with that for now www
oh I considered watching what happens to be a type of attack in some cases \:D/ just an indirect one rather than a direct one.I'm telling you why I chose to go with my idea instead of attacking him outright. There is a direct correlation between the type of player I am and the decision I made.-
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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I dont mind him voting me, in fact I wanted to engage with him and 1v1, since i can prob get a better read of your slot that way since I've hydra'd with him.In post 240, DoctorEagle wrote:@Sakura, DP wanted to vote you, but I was like "meh"I bloom in spring?
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VA you were already voting Venrob. = = what the hell are you trying to do? LOL
also JacobSavage explain this plz
first off this is a misrep. this isn't necessarily the same thing = =In post 228, JacobSavage wrote:
Seriously this gives you a town read?Venrob is leaning town for me cause I like how he just straight up said "this is how I play" etc., and everything he's done so far seems to match that. in fact I said this already 0.0
That's pretty much what you've said he was town for.In post 66, Venrob wrote:Stupid internet... stopped letting me post! Fixed it. About the wiki: I cant write what i claimed in thread? I need to make people dig for my claim? That's stupid.
My play in one sentence?
Very odd with false scumtells seen where i cant tell and what people tell me is bad play, though i highly disagree because its just how i play.
Check it- run on sentence, but just one.
Now as for in a nice description:
I play odd enough for people to call me scum as town and town as scum (check open 428- absta was such an idiot). I can make good plays (472 i claimed mason as vt and scum shot me (in that game when scum shoots vt the scum dies)). I can be bad in LYLO (Phineas and Ferb mafia, to be fair i replaced in). Sometimes people get accurate reads on me (lylo of 428- all the town except absta thought i was scum). As for my scumhunting skills, not much untill day 2 or three, or when the first scum dies. My brain works differently than most, so i hunt differently. Dont try and have me explain how i hunt, it would take a while to type and also i dont really know how i do it myself lol. I'd have to ISO myself in several different games to figure it out (its mostly subconscious hunting).
LONG POST IS LONG
Anyway as i said im not much use untill day 2 or 3. Now, further questions about me?
(Spoiler: He was scum)
anyway here you accuse me because I townread Venrob and cite a game he did this where he was scum, saying I should be scumreading him instead. but hereVA passes up a Sakura vote citing meta and you don't say anything. are you implying that Venrob has never done this as town? likewise, by not saying anything about VA, are you implying Sakura has never done this as mafia? plus, using only one game as meta reference seems really hazardous, so if you wanna use this reasoning, link more games plz.
plus, explain why you seem to post only when people ask you to or call you for lurking? and none of the first posts really had content either. IMO, this makes me think you're trying to lurk on purpose and then just threw the first scumread you could think of out there when you got pressured. = =-
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It's called a fake hammer reaction test, tho IMO it was pretty obvious.In post 246, pieguyn wrote:VA you were already voting Venrob. = = what the hell are you trying to do? LOLI bloom in spring?
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1. What I was saying is that your reasoning is shit. "Venrob is town for his self-meta" when I just gave an example of self-meta as scum, which makes your point null.
2. You seem to be misrepping now. I said your town tell is null because 1. and Venrob is scum for deliberately avoiding in his meta any scum games that would actually be useful for us.
3. I really wasn't paying attention, to be perfectly honest. THat and I don't think I've seen VA or Sakura play before meaning I can't comment.
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Vote Count 1.5
12 alive, 7 to lynch
Venrob (6): Brian Skies, Hiraki, Ankamius, Viera Assassin, thenewearth, DoctorEagle
Sakura Hana (2): pieguyn, EspeciallyTheLies
JacobSavage (1): Alduskkel
DoctorEagle (1): Sakura Hana
Not Voting: JacobSavage, Venrob,
Deadline: September 28, 3 PM EDT (GMT-4) ((expired on 2013-09-28 15:00:00))
Prodding: Venrob, Hiraki
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