If posting picks up, I will remove the deadline.
Mini 404: Diablo Mafia (Game Over)
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With so much time in between posts, I feel that it's not bad to put aTentative DeadlineforMarch 11th, 21:00 PM GMT+1.
If posting picks up, I will remove the deadline.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
68 Wins, 71 Losses
Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
Cult: 0 Wins, 1 Loss
Cultivated: 4 Wins, 0 Losses
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Official Voting Update:
TheJiveMachine: 5 (DragonsofSummer, chaotic_diablo, Save the Dragons, Mr. Flay, Cogito Ergo Sum)
DragonsofSummer: 2 (Thestatusquo, remussaidow)
chaotic_diablo: 1 (livingod)
Not Voting: 4 (Aelyn, Skruffs, TheJiveMachine, Cheesefan)
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline is March 11th, 21:00 PM GMT+1.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
68 Wins, 71 Losses
Town: 52 Wins, 54 Losses (2 Wins as Cult)
Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
Cult: 0 Wins, 1 Loss
Cultivated: 4 Wins, 0 Losses
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Hell no. I want to kill DoS. If I were a dayvig, he'd be six feet under. That's why I want to be a dayvig.Skruffs wrote:I'm still voting you. And nobody seems to care. I guess that means you are town?
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I think DoS is scum.Vote: DoS
I think StD is playing either reckless or scummy. Leaning towards reckless.
I find it odd that DoS and C_D both 'missed' TSQ's breakdown post and also happen to be the two I most suspect. It could be coincidence, but it doesn't alleviate the scummy vibes I'm getting from either of them.-
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Your orginal was your attack, and I thought your "breakdown" post was the one with the words "I'll break it down".Thestatusquo wrote:I already gave one, originally in post: 232, and he continued to make less and less sense in the subsequent posts. All there is left is to respond to his very latest defense, which I have thusfar not had time to do.
The argument isn't over until all points are made or when someone refuses to go further.Thestatusquo wrote:That post is off in a couple things. I'll break it down after the 28th, because I have two big tests then, and won't be able to contribute much until I am done studying for them.
It depends on what "breakdown" is referring to.TJS wrote:I find it odd that DoS and C_D both 'missed' TSQ's breakdown post and also happen to be the two I most suspect. It could be coincidence, but it doesn't alleviate the scummy vibes I'm getting from either of them.
You are in the same situation as DoS, I find it odd that you're stalling. If you really want to save yourself, then make a defense. I had a nice post with quoted posts for you to respond, yet you're are obviously trying to avoid them. It's extremely scummy to wait for another bandwagon to overshadow your own."Miracles of Science" or "Freaks of Nature"?
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The most important part:TheJiveMachine wrote:I think DoS is scum.Vote: DoS
I think StD is playing either reckless or scummy. Leaning towards reckless.
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TJM I didn't miss it. There was a reason I said to mylast breakdown. You are putting words in my mouth at this point and that is extremely scummy. I never said anything about not seeing a breakdown.
TSQ you have been posting on the site since yesterday afternoon. I will admit that life comes first, but I would like you to make this a priority while you are on the site. I do want to know what you think is off in my last post so that we can talk about it and maybe start to understand each other."I want you to hit me as hard as you can."
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I'm willing to believe it's possible we've got two scum squirming here, although it's not likely. I still prefer the TJM lynch though, because DoS seems to be making more "poor logic" mistakes and not explicitly scummy "bad logic". TJM's willingness to vote DoS to get the heat off his back only reassures me of this decision.Retired as of October 2014.-
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I agree with this post except for the part "I do not think it's likely." TJM's post reeks of bussing scum to me, and I think I would be willing to lynch either of them at this point.Mr. Flay wrote:I'm willing to believe it's possible we've got two scum squirming here, although it's not likely. I still prefer the TJM lynch though, because DoS seems to be making more "poor logic" mistakes and not explicitly scummy "bad logic". TJM's willingness to vote DoS to get the heat off his back only reassures me of this decision.
Look for my response around 6-7 oclock today. I will be able to devote serious time to mafia this weekend, and I will, as per request, make this game a priority.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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1)`Answer me this, right now:DragonsofSummer wrote:I feel I explained well... Here I'll break it down again...
I FoS TJM for his post's statement
because it seems like he doesn't care whether or not C_D has proven his point, (which at that point he had not, but he had some good evidence. You are attacking me for something that isn't even why I voted TJM by the way it just ended up being discussion)TheJiveMachine wrote:Proven by who? You?
What proves points?
How is it possible to have evidence of something that is good without that something being proven?
It makes zero sense in a game of mafia to say "I like his evidence, but what he's saying is not true." That's like saying "Ye
s, you have provided me with a fully functional model, but I still do not believe you have proven that this new fangled invention, the car, exists."
2) Regardless of what you say you were attacking him for, for me, it boils down to this: He attacked CD for not proving his point. You semi-agreed semi-disagreed with him, and then attacked him, with very little basis at all. That's first off, second off I haven't even touched how blatently obvious it was that he was saying he hadn't seen him prove it yet, and TJMs post doesn't even begin to make sense in the way that you had interpreted it.
1)The way you think things work in terms of proof are retarded. Why would x person, having provided "Good evidence." to back up claim y, then have to provide MORE evidence, even though claim y has already been supported? By your logic we have to keep providing more justification in every post we make. I don't think I need to explain how that is logically impossible.C_D provides no more evidence to solidify his claim, and STD calls me out on my FoS (which I explain why it stayed an FoS for so long earlier. But I will again. I wanted a response from TJM and I forgot about it because things in other games came up that I was dealing with in the interim, which is very much my fault.
2) I would like to make a BIG EXTENSION HERE.
A MAJOR part of my reasoning by suspecting DoS is my assumptions on how players approach the random voting stage. This goes STONE COLD DROPPED. No matter what DoS says about why he only FOSed her, it does not matter, because he has not responded to my analysis that townies and scum FUNDAMENTALLY have different approaches towards the random voting stage, and his use of the random voting stage MAKES NO SENSE if looked at through the lens of a townies set of motivations, but makes perfect sense through the lens of scum.I wrote: Now, I would expect a town player, in any situation, to change off of a random vote to a non random vote very quickly. Townies on principle do not like the random voting stage, as it is, well. random, and often lets scum force a lynch which no one can really be blamed for the next day(I.E. Free lynch) THis means that I will be taking as an assumption that townies will try to place non random votes whenever possible. I know that's fairly true about me. Therefore, I eliminate this as a town action, because I do not see a single town justification for doing it.
I vote TJM because he never answered me and STD reminded me.
Already addessed this sufficiently.The arguement of whether or not C_D has proven his point comes up here. Someone calls me on C_D proving his point, and as he did not give any more evidence it remained unproven. (The statemtent in my first post about liking his evidence more is what comes into play here).
Then I make this post:
Where I state that he hadn't proven his point, but three days earlier when I made my first post about it I thought he had some good points. But state again that my arguement against TJM isn't whether C_D had proven his point, but that even if he had it seemed like TJM didn't care.DragonsofSummer wrote:You will have to notice that I didn't say he had proved his point. My point was that I liked Chaotic Diablo's evidence more at that point, and that the way you said it seemed like you wouldn't care if he had proved it. That looked extremely scummy to me.
I believe I have already shown how there is an inherent discrepency between the two.Then I state again that I agree C_D's point wasn't proven.
Now you are calling me on a discrepancy between the last two posts that doesn't exist, and you just keep saying that I'm not making any sense...tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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TSQ:
The first part you talk about we will just have to agree to disagree because I know how I saw that statement, and you disagree with my assessment of it in the first place. We will not reach an understanding here no matter how hard either one of us pushes.
Your second point. You keep saying that I am using flawed logic, but I think it is just a problem of miscomunication between us. I will offer up something different this time to try to make it clearer what was going on.
In a hypothetical situation where two people are debating. Would you automatically agree with one of them because they provide a few pieces of good proof? Or would you wait to see how the other rebuts and then look for more good proof from the first person?
The latter is the type of person I am. So when I made my first post I was leaning more towards C_D's side, but by the time you are calling me a lier (on the next page and four days later) I have fallen back into a nuetral position because C_D does not get me to the point of convinced. So I agree that he has not proven his point. (This also adresses the discrepancy you are talking about).
Skruffs: If enough people want me to I will claim, but as of right now since you are the only one to request it, and I do not have the most votes on me (TJM still has one more than me) I do not want to have to do it yet. I am town, and I think the big problem here between me and TSQ is we have a fundementally different opinion of how to play the game."I want you to hit me as hard as you can."
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