Mafia 60: Face-to-Face - Game over!

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

Thesp: 5 (ChannelDelibird Cogito Ergo Sum Adele Mgm Zindaras)
Mgm: 3 (Glork Patrick Fritzler)
ChannelDelibird: 1 (Thesp)
Ether: 1 (MrBuddyLee )

Not voting: Ether Nightfall

Looking for 7 votes for a lynch!

[Adele]

If Thesp is pro-town, Adele and MGM are

so

dying next.

Am I to understand from this that you have some kind of opposition to the lynch?

Glork thinks MGM,

Thesp

, Ether, Adele, possibly CDB are scummy.

(my emphasis)

[Patrick]

Why? ChannelDelibird and Patrick are the scums.

Do you think that repeating that in every post will somehow make it true?

If Thesp is pro-town, Adele and MGM are so dying next.

On the surface this looked like a blatant attempt to setup future lynches. However, I can sort of understand. I was quite surprised when mgm and Adele both took my side in that debate and quickly went onto voting Thesp like that. It just wasn't really what I was expecting. It leaves me kind of torn, though the bandwagon gives me a better feeling than the one against Andrew yesterday did. I don't think he needs anymore votes yet until we sort out the situation with Ether.

[Mgm]

It has nothing to do with taking sides. His response to what you said was just scummy and Glork really is trying to set up future lynches. If he can't lynch me today, he'll try to do it tomorrow.

Don't worry Glork, if I don't get killed off during the night that post is guaranteed to push you back to the top of my suspect list.

[Patrick]

Eh maybe.. I dunno I kind of think Glork is town now.

[MrBuddyLee]

Thesp, can you please elaborate on your four "suspicions" for day one, how you arrived at them so easily, and why you picked just one to stick with so completely and drive home to lynch? Were your other suspicions genuine, and if so, why?

[Fritzler]

guys thesp is such a bad lynch right now

[Zindaras]

Why is Mgm the play, Fritz? (assuming that you think Mgm is the play, which it does look like)

[Glork]

If Thesp is pro-town, Adele and MGM are

so

dying next.

Am I to understand from this that you have some kind of opposition to the lynch?

Glork thinks MGM,

Thesp

, Ether, Adele, possibly CDB are scummy.

(my emphasis)

Since that initial list has posted, MGM/Adele have risen to the top of my list. My Ether suspicion is in something of a stasis, and Thesp/CDB have slipped a bit.


Zindie: MGM is the play because he is scum. Obv.

[Glork]

EBWODP, Kinda: To clarify a bit, I pretty much agree with Patrick that the fact that MGM/Adele so readily jumped aboard the Thespwagon seems very dubious. Adele took a shot at Ether shortly after I implicated her. I believe (though I may misremember) that she took a shot at CDB around the time he picked up some suspicion. And now that the Thesplynch seems chic, she's climbing aboard for certain. Opportunism galore!

[ChannelDelibird]

have you really improved it if you haven't been able to beat your record for longest time survived as scum

There aren't many

finished

games as scum that I can talk about. (Disclaimer: I may not be scum in etc.....yada yada yada)

Why would defensiveness be the only other reaction? I can imagine a number of other conceivable reactions which would all be valid. I'm intrigued by your need to avoid reaction entirely.

If I had reacted to your continuous claims that I was scum, my reaction would have been along the lines of "WTF? You're accusing me for no reason". Your 'accusations' looked to me like scum trying to deliberately incite a defensive reaction, so I was pretty sure that if I did react, you'd have pounced on it. Therefore, I ignored it.

This is an excellent question, and one I am not certain I have the answer of. Your response didn't seem to fit that for me.

Yeah, well, excuse me for dismissing this as vague unsubstantiated scumposting.

I still think your silence on D1 while a townie was being run up (which you'd put your vote on early, then did not detract from nor push for) is notable, and I'm surprised no one else is jumping on it.

They're not jumping on it because

you

were

pushing it, with gusto. That's scummier, IMO.

I doubt that CDB is the only one who was silent Day One.

That makes it right, then.

No, but it makes it weird that you're singling me out.

<snip>

Without the struck-through quote, he's answered the question of whether or not he thinks it's a scum tell. I don't think the addition of the struck through sentence, "Some ppl argue that scum are less likely to pay attention, but I'm not sure about that", is accidental - he's trying to add extra suspicion on Mgm. Why bother adding that sentence? He's already made his point.

Don't think for a second that speech is accidental.

Whaaaaaaaat....? I don't agree with this at all. It just reads to me like Patrick thinking aloud, which is something I pick up from him semi-often. I don't see anything wrong with it.

If Thesp is pro-town, Adele and MGM are

so

dying next.

That was way more concrete than anyone can reasonably be sure about. I don't like this post.

[Fritzler]

Why is Mgm the play, Fritz? (assuming that you think Mgm is the play, which it does look like)

he just is

especially comparatively

[Glork]

If Thesp is pro-town, Adele and MGM are

so

dying next.

That was way more concrete than anyone can reasonably be sure about. I don't like this post.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[ChannelDelibird]

If Thesp is pro-town, Adele and MGM are

so

dying next.

That was way more concrete than anyone can reasonably be sure about. I don't like this post.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

No, I'm reasonably sure I do.

[Glork]

No, I'm extraordinarily sure that you don't.

[Fritzler]

raise your hand if you think delibird is on speedball right now

*raises hand*

[Mgm]

raise your hand if you think delibird is on speedball right now

*raises hand*

Can I raise my hand if I think Glork is on something?

Glork:
Thesp is suspicious, there's no better reason to join a wagon. My vote on you wasn't going anywhere, so I had to switch. Voting Ether would be kind of pointless. If he's away, he's not going to defend himself and I dislike lynching non-responsive people unless I'm very sure they're scum.

Voting Thesp was the only logical thing for me to do.

I just looked up the word 'readily' in the dictionary to be absolutely sure of its meaning and connotation and found the following meaning:
1. promptly; quickly; easily: The information is readily available.
2. in a ready manner; willingly: He readily agreed to help us.

I don't like what you're implying.

[Adele]

There's cliques happening here.
I don't like it.
Because I'm in the unpopular gang.
I'm gonna go cry in the bathrooms now.

/flees


...ok. I'll post late this evening, but the cliques thing really has confused/frustrated me.

[Zindaras]

Awwwwww. *huggles Adele*

I still wuv you.

[Glork]

I know that Fritz and I are vocal enough to count as four or five people, but I wouldn't exactly call us a clique. In fact, Fritz has actually stated recently that he's making a conscious effort

NOT

to favor any of his buddies for non-game-related reasons. I think you're being a little paranoid over nothing. It's joking and posting style, Adele. If you actually think there's a serious problem with clique-ness and buddying-up, I can request replacement. I'd rather not have people think that the game is compromised for such silly reasons.

[Zindaras]

I wuv you too, Glorkybuns! *huggles*

To be honest, I've been thinking a while about changing my vote to Mgm. This may happen later on. Could anyone restate the case against Mgm or tell me where to find it?

[Fritzler]

or adele could join a cult....

then she could have buddies to double up with?

[Patrick]

To be honest, I've been thinking a while about changing my vote to Mgm. This may happen later on. Could anyone restate the case against Mgm or tell me where to find it?

What are your reasons for finding him suspicious?

[Adele]

I know that Fritz and I are vocal enough to count as four or five people, but I wouldn't exactly call us a clique. In fact, Fritz has actually stated recently that he's making a conscious effort

NOT

to favor any of his buddies for non-game-related reasons. I think you're being a little paranoid over nothing. It's joking and posting style, Adele. If you actually think there's a serious problem with clique-ness and buddying-up, I can request replacement.

:shock:Oh, gosh no. I don't mean that. I just meant that there seem to be some very definate groups of ingroup trust and outgroup suspicion

within the game

; I certainly don't think for a second that there are any out-of-game factors going on.

All I mean is that the people who distrust me are the same people who distrust mgm. The people who distrusted ether earlier also seem to show distrust for Thesp... things like that.

I'm really sorry if anyone thought I was feeling, like, victimised as a person or anything. I'm just having trouble picturing the trust-distrust relationships in this game, because they're very complicated,

like

social relationships are.

[Nightfall]

I agree with Adele's post 698.

In contrast to my more recent posts, I must say that I am now finding Glork and Fritz less likely to be scum. With that being said, I don't entire agree with their views.

Fritz, if Thesp is not the play today, do you see him as the play for a day soon to come? Or is he more on your pro town list?

Also,
Thesp, do you agree with this? ->

For the record, I think confusion is far more likely to be exhibited by town.

Then were the votes that were made on Mgm because of his confusion seen as "scummy" to you?

I'm not confused. I may not have paid attention one or two times, but the "not paying attention count" against me is grossly overstated. Everything other than the times I haven't paid attention is simply a disagreement on gameplay.

One last thing, Glork, how do you stand in regards to CES, Pat, Zind, and Lee?