Mini 404: Diablo Mafia (Game Over)

[DragonsofSummer]

Hey everybody I just wanted to let you know that I will have very little time this weekend because I will be attending a D&D convention. So I hope to be on about once a day if I can manage it..

[Save The Dragons]

Flay, I have decided that DoS is scum, and someone was his possible scum partner, but atm I am too lazy to fish that out. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Although DoS does get points for having a fightclub quote in his sig.

[Zindaras]

Official Voting Update

:

chaotic_diablo

: 5 (livingod, , Cogito Ergo Sum, TheJiveMachine, KaleiÐoscøpe)

DragonsofSummer

: 1 (Save the Dragons, The Central Scrutinizer)

Frustian

: 1 (remussaidow)

livingod

: 1 (chaotic_diablo)

TheJiveMachine

: 1 (DragonsofSummer)

The Central Scrutinizer

: 1 (Mr. Flay)

Not Voting

: 2 (Pata, Frustian)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Pata will receive a prod. I will start looking for a replacement for Frustian, who hasn't responded to my prod.

[Zindaras]

Cheesefan replaces Frustian. Welcome to the game, Cheesefan!

[Cheesefan]

Hey guys

Ill get back to you with my thoughts and suspects tommorow.

[remussaidow]

STD, why is DoS scum?

(granted, I may have just missed that and will find out why in my weekly reread tomorrow, but for now, why?

[remussaidow]

oh, and

unvote

My vote really was for no real reason and I don't remember why its there, so why should I leave it there?

[chaotic_diablo]

Grahr, where is everybody? Why is no one discussing anything but the spurious bandwagon on c_d?

What could possibly be more important than getting me lynched?

Since here hasn't been much activity, I'll go ahead and answer Rem's question, like I always do.

It seems like there's many things that could be discussed, yet you pick this one thing and go after it like pitbull. Then you fos, to make it look not so serious. I am quite suspicious of certian FOSs. Scum can be like, "look, I was suspicious of this person back on d1."

Although the major thing is that you failed to unvote your random vote to FOS someone. Why would you find your random vote more useful than a vote on someone who doesn't seem very town oriented.

I don't necessarily agree with this post, but that's pretty much the answer.

I'll go ahead and try to jumpstart something by discussing the invalid points to the attack.

Give me a choice between an orange, banana, and apple. I'll choose the banana, and I'm suspicious for not choosing the apple or orange? I find that argument contrived since STD is attacking DoS for picking one "thing" out of a reservoir of many other "things".
A better argument would be that DoS prioritized an insignificant issue over a more important one. That would make a far better argument since it implies actual scumminess.

Let see. You didn't get it the first time SO. Not agreeing with you. That means that they are not arguing for or against you.

Disagreeing with you. That means that they are actively against you.

These are not labels for specific people. Not at all, actually.

That makes a whole lot more sense.

While I'm at it, I'm going to throw a couple of foses since I found those particular people suspicious after a reread.

fos TCS, CES, kalei

[TheJiveMachine]

FoS: C_D

for doing nothing but playing the victim and being suspicious of anything that moves.

[Cheesefan]

Ok, sorry for not posting earlier.

My main suspect is DoS but not by much

I would like to hold my vote for a little while so I can get a feel of the atmosphere in the thread

[Save The Dragons]

Rem: The answer to your question is here, not in C_D's post.

Give me a choice between an orange, banana, and apple. I'll choose the banana, and I'm suspicious for not choosing the apple or orange?

Not quite, but if you decide that the banana is the end all topic that you are going to discuss, it will raise red flags in my eyes. It's kind of like strawmanning. I saw DoS go after one thing to make him look like he was participating and to justify a vote in the future (or to distance with his scum partner by not voting him). My point is more on the fact that out of this selection (which seems contrived, like he picked a banana not because he liked them, but because he liked the person offering it to him).

I find that argument contrived since STD is attacking DoS for picking one "thing" out of a reservoir of many other "things".
A better argument would be that DoS prioritized an insignificant issue over a more important one. That would make a far better argument since it implies actual scumminess.

My arguement was multifaceted, thank you very much. You've completely ignored possible distancing, the disbelief I had, strawmanning, and the failure to unvote a random vote to FOS someone, which in my opinion, is the most damning.

DoS and JiveMachine are scum together. Please kill them.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Grahr, where is everybody? Why is no one discussing anything but the spurious bandwagon on c_d?

fos: Mr. Flay

This looks like the sort of thing scum would say about a buddy being wagoned Day 1. I'd change my vote to C_D, but I don't think it's in the best interests of the town to have someone at -1 so early in the day.

[chaotic_diablo]

FoS: C_D

for doing nothing but playing the victim and being suspicious of anything that moves.

"Doing nothing but", is an exaggeration. It is always false to an extent.
I'm questioning why my bandwagon isn't the most important. Obviously it means there are some people who don't think it is the way to go. I want to have some information on why. If you feel that my bandwagon is the most important, then why do some people disagree?
I'm keeping my range of suspects reasonable. Especially on day one. You can't possibly think that there will only be one scum? You may like to have two or three suspects, but that's just the minimum amount.

Not only was activity waning, but you're trying to pick my post out as scum without reviewing the content. From your orginal accusation, my case on LG was BS. Now you're saying that any move I make is suspicious. Add on the fact that you already have a vote on me means you're trying to distract us from something. I would fos you, but I have already done so.

Not quite, but if you decide that the banana is the end all topic that you are going to discuss, it will raise red flags in my eyes. It's kind of like strawmanning. I saw DoS go after one thing to make him look like he was participating and to justify a vote in the future (or to distance with his scum partner by not voting him). My point is more on the fact that out of this selection (which seems contrived, like he picked a banana not because he liked them, but because he liked the person offering it to him).

Ah, the explanation that gets tagged on when it wasn't orginally provided. Good point.

My arguement was multifaceted, thank you very much. You've completely ignored possible distancing, the disbelief I had, strawmanning, and the failure to unvote a random vote to FOS someone, which in my opinion, is the most damning.

I didn't ignore them, I completely acknowledged them as valid points. I stated that I would discuss the one that I felt was questionable and invalid. It's kind of useless for me to state in the same posts that "Oh! I agree with the other points though."

This looks like the sort of thing scum would say about a buddy being wagoned Day 1. I'd change my vote to C_D, but I don't think it's in the best interests of the town to have someone at -1 so early in the day.

Oh right, so someone else does somthing you find scummy, so I'm the one you go after. Not particularly logical to me. I have 4 votes on me, another vote would place me at -2. If the vote count is right, someone has a double vote.

[Save The Dragons]

I didn't ignore them, I completely acknowledged them as valid points. I stated that I would discuss the one that I felt was questionable and invalid. It's kind of useless for me to state in the same posts that "Oh! I agree with the other points though."

I'm illiterate.

[chaotic_diablo]

Is anyone going to do anything? Seriously. The last time I tried to start discussion, TheJiveMachine jumps on me and tries to take advantage. Whichever way I see it, I'm going to get the short-end of the stick. I'll explain my three foses.

TCS
Post 16: He pulls the newbie card to save scott.
I feel hypocritical for picking out TCS's self-vote, but I'll let others interpret it the way they want.
Post 62: Wow, playstyle. Not going here since TCS does bring a semi-valid point.
Post 80: Wagon hopping.
Post 129: Good points by Mr. Flay.
Post 135: Great, more wagon hopping.

CES
He's done nothing but wagon hop. No contribution, no reasoning.

Kalie
Same as CES. Nothing but wagon hopping.

As you can see, I'm fosing literally because two out of the three players haven't "moved" at all.

[Save The Dragons]

You guys have horrible reasons for voting C_D. I'm willing to jump ship to scare one of you.

[Save The Dragons]

C_D, how do you feel about Jive Machine?

[Zindaras]

Pata hasn't picked up his prod. I'll be looking to replace him.

[Mr. Flay]

STD, vote TCS, it's teh STTD.

[Zindaras]

Skruffs replaces Pata. Welcome to the game and thanks for replacing in.

[Save The Dragons]

Aw, but he is voting for the guy I want to kill...

I will consider it. He is high on my list. But then again, everyone in this game is high on my list. You can't all be scum, can you? Can you?

In any case, so yeah, can anyone on C_D's wagon wow me with thier case?

[chaotic_diablo]

C_D, how do you feel about Jive Machine?

I didn't really take a look at him because OMGUSery (MOS said wiki was outdated) was something that I wanted to avoid. After a reread, he's clearly scummy enough to be over livingod.

1. He's a hypocrite.

It could be I'm just being paranoid, but on Day 1 it pays to be paranoid just to start discussion.

FoS: C_D

for doing nothing but playing the victim and

being suspicious of anything that moves.

2. Plays DoS in post 93 by attacking only one aspect of my argument.

No, YOU'RE dancing on the WIFOM line with your self vote. WIFOM = Baad.

I'll have to give you that. I'm definitely WIFOM dancing on the line.

Wow, that really helps the town.

Unvote
Vote C_D

I had to force him to bring more of his argument up.

3. Ignores my other arguments

A) Saying that posting jokes is scummier than posting nothing.
B) Only going after LG for this. If you're so opposed to "contentless joking, why did you both intially and continuously attack only one of at least three or 4 people who were doing it at the same time he was, all while you posted <i>nothing</i>?
C) Claiming that LG is trying to appeal to authority. WTF?
D) Trying to justify a self vote by saying that it is totally defensive WIFOM and that there's nothing wrong with it. Double WTF?

A. fritzler-like players are scummy.
B. I already explained beforehand. What did he do? Ignore it.
C. I gave reasoning, lots of reasoning. It's far from craplogic. Exaggerated would have been a better word if he wanted to criticize it.
D. I didn't say it was "okay", I conceded and gave livingod that point on WIFOM. Then Jive goes on about "defensive WIFOM" that has no meaning.

4. Carp(fishy) Logic

There's a difference between commenting, FoSing, and voting. A lack of willingness to vote anyone is saying that you don't want anyone to think you have strong convictions about anyone, and I agree it's a very defensive move.

Fishy fishy. Trying to fish for something that works. This statement isn't true, and considering how I've been playing, it's completely false. Then he tries to justify it through means such as "no one agrees with CD" or that "since I didn't back down, CD is wrong". Then he goes off and says "it doesn't matter if CD proves his point, it's still scummy because he did it". This is exactly what DoS was talking about.

D) Proven by who? You?

This statement really bothers me. It almost seems to me like even if C_D has proven his point, which I like his evidence more than yours right now, you won't care specifically because it is him.

FoS:TheJiveMachine

Doesn't seem very town oriented to me.

unvote

vote TheJiveMachine

[TheJiveMachine]

Then he goes off and says "it doesn't matter if CD proves his point, it's still scummy because he did it". This is exactly what DoS was talking about.

D) Proven by who? You?

This statement really bothers me. It almost seems to me like even if C_D has proven his point, which I like his evidence more than yours right now, you won't care specifically because it is him.

FoS:TheJiveMachine

Doesn't seem very town oriented to me.

Did you even read the conversation I had with DoS about this?

[TheJiveMachine]

1. He's a hypocrite.

It could be I'm just being paranoid, but on Day 1 it pays to be paranoid just to start discussion.

FoS: C_D

for doing nothing but playing the victim and

being suspicious of anything that moves.

You aren't starting discussion though, just trying to divert attention from yourself.

[chaotic_diablo]

Then he goes off and says "it doesn't matter if CD proves his point, it's still scummy because he did it". This is exactly what DoS was talking about.

D) Proven by who? You?

This statement really bothers me. It almost seems to me like even if C_D has proven his point, which I like his evidence more than yours right now, you won't care specifically because it is him.

FoS:TheJiveMachine

Doesn't seem very town oriented to me.

Did you even read the conversation I had with DoS about this?

Your conversation mostly stated that my point was "unproven" due to not having any support. Later, you state that your point wasn't that I hadn't proved it, but it's because I was "arrogant". That implies that even if I had proven my point, simple arrogance makes my point worthless. Your entire conversation is based on how I hadn't "proved' my point, then you come up discard that and come up with a personal attack to devalue my actions even more.

If he had proved it, I would have conceded that he was right. But from my point of view, he didn't come close. I wasn't saying it wouldn't have mattered if he did prove it, I was saying it was incredibly arrogant of him to say he proved a point when he was apparently the only person who thought so.

You aren't starting discussion though, just trying to divert attention from yourself.

Any move I make can be classified as "diverting" attention. A valid attack on someone, a defense for something unjust, whatever. Tell me, what isn't a diversion? making myself look scummy? Making a defense on a nonexistant argument? You didn't even bother explaining to STD why people are on my bandwagon.

Starting discussion only requires people to respond. Since I

did

get someone to respond and attempt to keep it up, I don't see how I'm not trying to start discussion.