Mafia 60: Face-to-Face - Game over!

[Mgm]

Bad logic there, Glork.

As for SV's claim, I completely believe it. If there are 2 kills tonight, then obviously there is a vig.

Or the vig could be blocked while a serial killer is still active.

[Mgm]

Andrew said he voted me because of my vote on Glork, so that post was to show how his vote no longer makes sense.

Wait, so if you make a scummy play but then you say "do-over" or take it back, that makes you not scummy?

I thought he was either following through on a bad idea or making a point at the expense of a more effective vote. I only considered he was joking when other people pointed it out to me, which is why I changed my mind.

I may have misinterpreted him, but I don't see how that is scummy.

[Mgm]

Is this another game where I'm being wagoned for no reason/being recquired for a vig kill?

= )

unvote, vote:MGM

Patrick, I'm pretty sure that the MAIN reason that there was an sv wagon was for the dice.

I'm pretty sure

I

was on the wagon to give sufficient time for another one to form and give us a lynch before deadline. Would you still like me to go through her posts, and put together a case? If not, I'll go back to working on MGM.

= ) If I was a vig it'd be a tossup between Andrew/MGM/maybe Glork if those two weren't an option.

If Nightfall's post 366 can't convince you to vote AndrewS, I don't know what will.

[Adele]

Bad logic there, Glork.

As for SV's claim, I completely believe it. If there are 2 kills tonight, then obviously there is a vig.

Or the vig could be blocked while a serial killer is still active.

The First Post Is Your Friend.

For this purpose I'm going to use mith's

Mafia Cards Deck

. I've shuffled together the following cards:

• 3 scum: Michael Corleone (Godfather) Tom Hagen and Luca Brasi
• 9 Innocent Townspersons
• 3 randomly chosen town power roles (see further below)

No SKs.

[Mr Stoofer]

New Page Vote Count (unchanged)

AndrewS: 5 (Thesp ChannelDelibird spectrumvoid Mgm CES)
IH: 3 (Ether, Patrick AndrewS)
spectrumvoid: 2 (Fritzler Adele)
Mgm: 2 (Glork IH)
Ether: 1 (Nightfall)
Patrick: 1 (MrBuddyLee)

Not voting: Zindaras

8 to lynch!

6,144 minutes until deadline!

[Mgm]

Bad logic there, Glork.

As for SV's claim, I completely believe it. If there are 2 kills tonight, then obviously there is a vig.

Or the vig could be blocked while a serial killer is still active.

The First Post Is Your Friend.

For this purpose I'm going to use mith's

Mafia Cards Deck

. I've shuffled together the following cards:

• 3 scum: Michael Corleone (Godfather) Tom Hagen and Luca Brasi
• 9 Innocent Townspersons
• 3 randomly chosen town power roles (see further below)

No SKs.

I checked the deck without double checking what the mod would pick out.

In that case I see no reason for SV not to reveal his target.

[Patrick]

If she were to announce that she's vigging a scum, it's possible that they'd hit her in a vain hope that their choice is entered before her

Would that negate her kill? I've never heard of it working like that. I think telling us the vig target now is definitely optimal, it's similar to allowing us a second lynch. And as CES said, it avoids possible other vigs or cops hitting the same target as spectrumvoid.

[Mgm]

If she were to announce that she's vigging a scum, it's possible that they'd hit her in a vain hope that their choice is entered before her

Would that negate her kill? I've never heard of it working like that. I think telling us the vig target now is definitely optimal, it's similar to allowing us a second lynch. And as CES said, it avoids possible other vigs or cops hitting the same target as spectrumvoid.

I'd have to check Stoofer's other games, but from what I remember from the discussion in the "Mafia Discussion"-thread, the prevailing idea seems to be to resolve choices all at the same time.

[Mr Stoofer]

Clarifications

• Apart from the actual identities of the power roles, this is an open game, so please ask if you have any questions.
  
  
• Power roles who are nightkilled may still perform their night actions on the night that they are killed.

6,058 minutes until deadline!

[Thesp]

In that case I see no reason for SV not to reveal his target.

If the scum get to see who spectrumvoid will NK, and know it's not one of their own, they could deliberately no-kill to try and force a mislynch of spectrumvoid. Without letting them know, they must operate in the dark, and almost certainly must kill tonight, allowing sv to be more provable.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Well, maybe she doesn't want the scum to know who she's targeting, or the scum won't want to hit the same target, so we'd also be limiting their pool.

Scum tend to nightkill townie-looking players, you know? I don't see how this is an issue, at all.

Also, I forgot to mention that the objective(ie. before spec claimed) chance of 2 vigs are not 1 in 49 as AndrewS claimed but rather 18 in 343(1/7*1/7*6/7*3), which is nearly 2,5 times higher. So he screwed that up too.

If the scum get to see who spectrumvoid will NK, and know it's not one of their own, they could deliberately no-kill to try and force a mislynch of spectrumvoid. Without letting them know, they must operate in the dark, and almost certainly must kill tonight, allowing sv to be more provable.

I wouldn't lynch spec over one such Night if she killed who she was supposed to. Either she'll be proven eventually or the scum won't be killing or we control the scum kill as long as she wants to live.

[Glork]

CES makes a reasonable point.





I would support an Adele vigging at this point, too.

[Adele]

Whatever. SV said she didn't want to tell us who today.

I'm open to discussion about my vig target, but I'll only reveal who tomorrow.

You want to argue this out, she's the one to yell at. I was just rying to figure what we could most effectively do within the parameters

she

's set; I'm done trying to defend the parameters. I respect them, and if you don't - that's fine, but it's not up to me.

I would support an Adele vigging at this point, too.

boo. Why?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm sure spectrumvoid will listen to reason. She made that post a while ago, before most of the relevant things were said.

[Patrick]

Patrick, I'm pretty sure that the MAIN reason that there was an sv wagon was for the dice.

I'm pretty sure I was on the wagon to give sufficient time for another one to form and give us a lynch before deadline. Would you still like me to go through her posts, and put together a case? If not, I'll go back to working on MGM.

I still find this worrying. On a dice roll you go along and ask someone to claim. It seems strange that you'd be 'putting together' a case only after she's virtually confirmed. I would have thought you need a case before you vote.

[spectrumvoid]

I'll vig IH tonight.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES 1, Adele 0.

[Glork]

PWNZD!

[IH]

1.A deadline is coming up Patrick. Not only that, I didn't start the wagon. You asked what was the reason for it, I said a dice roll, which was pretty much a straight wagon that led to a spectrumvoid claim.

2.Is there an actual case for why I'm being vigged other than Patrick doesn't like the vibe I give out? Or Ether is going for an IH lynch for no reason again? = )

[Mgm]

Perhaps you're being vigged because you're second in succession to be lynched after Andrew?

Sounds like a reasonable decision as that is what most of the town agrees to at that point.

[Patrick]

Right, so you jumped on it based on a dice roll and to make the deadline yes?

...Glork, why couldn't your dice have said MGscuM? = |

SV is scummy, but I still don't like Glork's diceyness.

Please tell me what you found scummy about spectrumvoid at that point.

Other than this though, it is just kind of a vibe. As explained before, I didn't like the reasons you used to jump onto the Andrew wagon. You sucked up to Thesp, then when I called you on it you immediately did a IGMEOY for Thesp

igmeoy:Thesp... Even though you're strongly supporting an Andrew lynch, I don't like how you're kind of... turning it into something else.

Which is really vague. I'm not sure what you meant by this. It felt like you did that just to immediately satisfy me that you weren't in fact sucking up to him.

I think there's a fair case for vigging you if we don't actually lynch you.

[Zindaras]

I'm all for her telling us who she's going to vig, though. Also, am I mistaken or could there be Serial Killers in this game?

You are, of course, mistaken.

*sighs*

It really was inevitable.

Anyway,

Vote: IH

. I find him the scummiest of people close to a lynch (IH, AndrewS, voidybuns, Mgm). I could be wrong about Andrew, but I don't think so.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

IH is getting vigged, Zindy, so why don't you hop on over to the AndrewSwagon.

[MrBuddyLee]

IH isn't as aggressively insightful as I've seen him. His play is more flippant and he's hedging here and there.

Here's his first real serious vote:

I need to do a little reread to make sure, but pretty sure that MGM has been wishy washy, unhelpful, and "misread" the game a few times to many for my liking.

= | Lemme go through his posts first to make sure.

This is the kind of mealy-mouthed argument scum would make for a lynch.

I prefer an MGM lynch/vig. I think IH is a solid scum candidate but not likely in conjunction with MGM.

unvote, vote: MGM

Thesp, why haven't you expressed an opinion on MGM? His play's noteworthy.

[Nightfall]

*Working on my post now*